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The Kristen/Heather bickering was so tedious to watch - I sadly didn't enjoy that. I think this Montana trip is a bust - I'm with Ramona - boring! I am on Team Luann with the facialist story. Shannon on the OC continues to be a big win for me... she's so authentic and is literally carrying this season. This episode all revolved around her. Without Shannon, we'd have nothing. I love Shannon!

Given Aviva's antics already this season, I can totally see her walking into a room, unhooking her leg, and throwing it at Kristen or Carole. And I would love it. If her episode count is true, I just don't understand why she was made housewife over Luann. They've had 7 successfully before, why not again this season?

I caught up on OC and WWHL - still LOVE Shannon. She was great on WWHL too. Even Andy mentioned several times that he likes her and that she's been a great addition because she's a great housewife. She's just so natural and real. A bit crazy? Yes, but I love it. Lizzy just seems to be...there. I don't know, I know she had a few scenes alone with her family, but I still don't feel like I know her or she gels with this group yet. She's not really in anyone's drama or doing anything, unlike Shannon. I like her, but she's just not standing out for me right now.

They delayed Joe's sentencing date from July 8 to late September to allow the family to mourn. I wonder how this will impact the reunion now! (that's terrible, I know)

I was going to say - my DVR didn't even record NYC this week! I got People's Couch or whatever instead... so I had to manually set a repeat viewing later in the week so I could catch it. Why would Bravo do that? I bet that's the reason for the lower ratings this week.

Chris B - YES. I agree about Shannon... I love her and she is one of the most real, natural, and interesting housewives they've had in a long time. I just read online that Joe Guidice's dad just died - he was working in the garden and just collapsed and died.

If you think about it, Luann missing the first 2-3 episodes doesn't really matter in terms of whether she was intended to be a housewife or just a friend --- they've introduced new housewives after 2-3 episodes (i.e. Alexis and Lizzy from OC) --- plus Avivia is a housewife this season even though she was cut out of the opening for 3-4 episodes right in the middle. I think Bravo waits until the end, after editing, to determine who gets to be housewife vs. friend vs. cut out altogether. Remember Fernanda from the OC? She was filmed as a housewife the entire season, with her very own storylines (i.e. becoming a citizen) and even had promo shots with the other ladies, but was dropped last minute to just a friend. I think Luann is just a friend because the only non-group storyline she had was her relationship with Jacques (her kids are so angsty, dare I say a mess, and hate to be filmed as teenagers)... and her relationship with Jacques was so last season (that's all she had last season), and with them breaking up, which probably wasn't filmed... they just decided to make her a friend and cut out all her non-group scenes. She's never featured outside of group settings. Marysol from Miami was very similar in that we saw her every episode and was filmed in most group scenes, however her solo storyline really wasn't there unless you include scenes with Mama Elsa. So Marysol is even more of a mystery I guess as to why she wasn't a full housewife...

So funny how we all differ sometimes.. I LOVE Shannon - her crazy ass is making OC for me this year.

I think Vicki and Tamra just want Heather to have fun and let her hair down. Heather is always 'ON' and Tamra/Vicki just want to see her be 'OFF' for a fun night... doesn't mean she has to go wild and cheat on her husband, strip on a pole, or anything... but just take a shot and let loose a bit. I'm on Tamra/Vicki's side when it comes to this.. Heather doesn't know how to have fun with her girlfriends, which I understand she has kids and wants to maintain an image, but good God she's always a stick in the mud. She is witty though, so I don't dislike her totally.

I loved Kathy too - I'm on her side! I really enjoyed Ladies of London. I love the dynamic of mixing the Americans with the Brits... and Americans having a very hard time being accepted by British elite. I've been to London so many times and I just adore that city, so this show is really close to my heart. British tabloids and the press are soooo shady and fierce when it comes to their reporting - it's amazing.

I'll totally watch Hotwives of Orlando - that's hilarious! Btw, speaking of Beverly Hills - there's an article out confirming Carlton and Joyce are fired. Joyce even indicated that she may be moving away from BH anyway. Also, they are saying that Shiva Safai and Faye Resnick are joining, assuming they sign their contracts and are happy with the $$. http://www.mstarz.com/articles/31061/20140525/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-fires-two-housewives-and-adds-faye-resnick-and-shiva-safai-to-cast.htm

The Real Housewives of London is a reality! I'm so excited for this! I'm surprised that reporter thinks that Ladies of London aired last year... http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/real-housewives-london-e4-air-3595304

Anyone know why the OC isn't on tomorrow night?

I watched WWHL - Ramona apologized and said she was in the wrong. However, it was also revealed that it wasn't glass... it was PLASTIC. This whole thing is now dumb. It was a plastic glass. Ramona is fine.

Throwing in my two cents - Ramona is justified! I think she's justified in both situations to be honest. Throwing wine on someone who is in a pool WHILE filming a reality show is no big deal. On the lake, all those ladies knew that Ramona was leaving for the Hamptons and didn't want her hair wet. She obviously wasn't looking to swim or get in the water - she was in the canoe staying dry and wanting to talk to the girls. Kristen, who I actually like surprisingly, went ape [!@#$%^&*] with the splashing, probably filled with adrenaline for thinking she was doing something fun and sneaky... but she didn't think it through... and again, the wine was thrown (no big deal) - and the glass, while not the best decision, was still understandable if you put yourself in Ramona's shoes. She has NO where to go in that canoe and is now soaking wet and her hair is f'ed. I'm sure she was super pissed and didn't even think - just threw whatever she had in her hand. Actually, she really just tossed it - didn't violently throw it. She tossed it towards Kristen and she just has good aim (or terrible aim, depending on how you look at it). "WHO ARE YOU TO GET ME WET?" - loved it. This is TOTALLY different from the whole Kenya/Porsha situation... or the Joe situation on NJ.

Yay - someone else thinks Shannon looks like Marysol!

Eww, I just saw that NJ preview and I'm not that excited. I'll give it a try and hopefully I'm wrong, but it seems like they found some rejects from Princesses Long Island and threw them in with Teresa and Melissa. I doesn't seem like they all blend well, but maybe I'm just SO used to the same 5 ladies. That Amber looks like trash though. We'll see! I'm also strangely not that excited for Dina's return - based on the preview, it doesn't seem like she gave much material.

PUMP - ok, you know they are filming that for her new show, but also most likely the new season of BH. So, I'm sad to see Carlton and Joyce there, which means they'll probably be in the new season of BH... well, maybe they can edit them out. Interesting that Joanna and Gretchen were both there as well. Also interesting that no other housewife was there - Kyle, Brandi, Yolanda, Kim...

(my direct quote/reply function isn't working on Windows 8.1)! Cheap - I have a 10-ft. tree, 2 7-ft. trees, and 2 5-ft. trees inside. Outside, I have 2 3-ft. trees around my front door But you're right, I'm never tacky!!!

OC - I've got to say, these new housewives are bringing it! Love them both in very different ways. LOVE it. Also, I'm enjoying the holidays during the OC - have we ever seen the different holidays like this before? I only remember Jersey that one season, otherwise I can't remember another city/season showing each holiday like this. I like it! Cheap - I had 5 Christmas trees up this past year. I love having a tree in every room!

Y'all - that was seriously the most amazing finale ever. I've never seen an hour of TV have so many shocking, surprising, twisted turn of events. I'm literally still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor! They threw everything in but the kitchen sink!!! Revenge stepped up their game!!!

Apollo better be careful.. his ass is going to get hurt or killed. He's treading some scary waters!

Well and Ramona was out for 2 episodes already when she went to Africa. That does seem odd. Usually when a housewife can't/doesn't go on a trip, they at least splice a quick scene or two of them back at home so we don't forget about them.

Just a few thoughts... Apollo is trash. He's dumber than a box of rocks and I have no idea how or why Phaedra puts up with him or defends him. She's ridiculous for that and loses credibility. I'm Team Kenya - girl totally makes sense to me. And I think Cynthia sees that now. Nene is completely rude and delusional in her hypocrisy. She's too dumb and runs her mouth too much to know how not to show herself over and over again. Porsha did well and Andy totally is going to let her come back. The Kenya/Porsha storyline will continue. They basically are using the props as their way out of this mess.

I don't know, I've been to plenty of pool parties in my life where beer is spilled on people in pools (or lakes) out of fun or playful fighting. Again, I didn't think it was malicious at all. Ramona is smart and knows this season needed to rise in the ratings, and they needed to create some good drama-filled scenes. So Kristen says she's jealous and Ramona (with a camera on her) just threw some wine on her while she's in a spa/pool. It was harmless. Kristen got her back by getting her hair wet...which btw everyone knew she spent time on making perfect for her Hamptons event later that night. You could see it in Ramona's eyes and demeanor that she deserved the splash back and didn't make it that huge of a deal (i.e. retaliate even more). I'll hold judgment on next episode until I see it... I can't tell from the previews if she throws an entire glass or not, and if Kristen really bleeds from Ramona's action or something else.