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RHONY: Watching Carole call out Andy was the highlight. Actually watching Carole use messages and comments made on the show to end Bethenny all while remaining calm, until the very end when she let Andy have it and said what many of us had been thinking was the best part. I don’t understand why anyone stills like Bethenny. Yet, she has a swarm of fans who defend her week after week, including the execs at Bravo.

NY: I used to love Dorinda but I am finding her to be really mean spirited this season. First she had a fit that Bethenny didn’t properly thank her (while maintaining that she isn’t one to want the credit and attention ). I hate to stick up for Bethenny but I’m not sure what else she could have done. She even apologized to her but Dorinda once again mentioned it in her blog. Now she is having a fit because Sonja has a family crest and uses the last name Morgan? What is wrong with her? When she made the comment about Sonja just sleeping with a lot of men I was pretty confused. We watched her have a hissy fit and yell a few weeks ago about how Sonja is divorced (and I guess not worthy of loving and missing her husband) but this week she seemed to forget that Sonja was married to the man and had a child with him. Ugh, Dorinda has been enjoyable and fun to watch these past few seasons. I hope we get back to that Dorinda and far away from the one who seems to think she has a monopoly on pain.

NY: Carole really is loving what is happening to Luann. Her attitude about the whole thing is really bothering me. I’m one of the few on this page that has always liked Carole, just not her Bethenny worship, but this season she is really bugging me more than ever! I honestly feel like Carole can be two different people. I read her memoir What Remains and I can’t help but wonder what happened to that Carole who was so down to earth, witty, and a seemingly good person. She definitely hates Luann, but it seems rather mean girl for her to be basking in the aftermath of her arrest. Bobby’s funeral was heartbreaking. He was a always a kind soul on the show. Jill may have her faults but she loved him with everything in her. Not surprised Bethenny found a way to make it all about her.

I thought it was Tamra too. I think this season looks good, I’m excited to see this sudden reconciliation of Tamra/Vicki/Shannon. Sadly for Vicki, I think Shannon is her only hope for a real friend on the show now that her and Kelly are on the outs. I don’t believe Tamra has good motives when it comes to her friendship with Vicki.

Orange County trailer is finally here! https://people.com/tv/real-housewives-of-orange-county-season-13-trailer-exclusive/

Another good episode, IMO! The women have valid arguments against Bethenny and her behavior, but this stupid nutcracker is not one of them. She showed her appreciation to Dorinda by saying she saved Christmas, jumping up and down, and paying for it. Dorinda and Carole are really reaching here. The lunch with Carole and Bethenny reminded me so much of the feud between Jill and Bethenny season 3. Everything Carole said are things Bethenny said back then. I think that’s interesting. I’ll always root for Luann, she made a bad decision by going back to the scene of the crime and she paid for it.

RHOC: I'm tired of this narrative that Tamra is some saint. Anyone who watched this show prior to season 9 (or somewhere around there) knows that she is the most vile housewife... ever. What purpose does Megan serve? @Nothin'ButAttitude Thank you for sharing the article about Vicki and Tamra's feud and the fact that their jobs are safe. Maybe Shannon will be the one to get cut at the end of this season. This show needs a major shake up, so I wouldn't mind it if Bravo said goodbye to 3 or 4 current housewives and brought in some new blood for this show.

RHOC: Vicki needs to stop mentioning Brooks. Why must she say his name every single episode? Meagan is more boring than normal this season. It seems like they are phasing her out and she won't be back next season. Her daughter is adorable though! I would never describe Tamra as selfless, as that woman at the end did. I'm not sure of Peggy yet. I feel for her and what she has gone through and I think she has made a pretty good impression so far. We will have to see what she des with the rest of the season. Watching her close Meagan's lips made me LOL. I know that's such a rude thing to do but I am thrilled someone is finally telling Meagan to shut it.

Well said! I really enjoyed Bethenny during her first run on the show as well. Since returning she has become such a chore to watch. Even last night when she was inviting Ramona to Mexico she yelled at Tinsley for staring and called her rude, but then couldn't believe Ramona was having a private conversation at the table (although I guess Ramona was talking about her). She has become so full of herself. Other thoughts: The Mary Tyler Moore show was set in Minneapolis, not NYC. I don't remember the opening, so correct me if I'm wrong and she did throw her hat up in the city, but I wasn't really sure what Dorinda was talking about when she went on about MTM being the reason she is in the city today. TBH, as much as I enjoy Dorinda and her antics when she is intoxicated she seems to be permanently drunk these days. Sometimes Sonja gives us too much information and way to close of a look into her life. I did not need to see or hear about her gardens.

RHOC: You know that if Shannon goes rolling down that hill chasing after her dog she will get up and start screaming about how it's all Vicki's fault.

RHOC: I'm not a fan of any of the tag lines. Vicki's is the best because it reminds everyone that she is the queen of OC, but it doesn't excite me. I am excited to see the show with this group of women because I think they can bring the drama. I still hate Shannon, but at least self-righteous Heather won't be returning. RHOBH: I won't miss Eileen. Love her on the soaps but she was annoying on housewives. She definitely had class and elegance, but she was condescending and refused to let anything go. It didn't make her likable, in my opinion. I really wish Lisa Rinna would have been let go. She may bring the drama but I think she is just mean. I am happy Dorit is coming back. I loved her at the reunion this year because she wasn't afraid to put Lisa R, Eileen and Erika in their place. I love that she called them out on their stuff, especially Erika. Speaking of Erika; I really enjoyed her season 6, but this past year I thought she came off as self-righteous and snooty. Next season I want to see someone knock her off her high horse. LOVE Camille and would love to see her hold a diamond again!

Completely agree with you!!!

RHONY: Ramona is pure entertainment. The things she said to Bethenny may have been way out of line but it was reality TV gold. Bethenny doesn't want to hang out with any of the ladies besides Carole, why is she even bothering to stay on the show? Carole is not her own person when Bethenny is around. "Oh you're leaving, I'll leave to." I understand they are best friends but Carole is more enjoyable when she interacts with the other women without Bethenny.

Eileen is quite annoying. She always seems to have trouble with someone and drags it on way too long. She was quite enjoyable season five, but last season and so far this season she has been nothing but trouble. I wish someone would tell her to just shut up.

RHONY: Bethenny is almost as bad an actress as that poor girl who plays Ciara on DAYS. I wasn't buying anything she was selling. I still think Andy Cohen is the one who sent her the photos. The minute Bravo found out Tom was a player I'm sure they had people watching him... waiting for him to slip up. That's why Bethenny won't give up the name. I know many of you don't like her, but I do like Carole. I prefer her away from Bethenny though. I have really enjoyed Bethenny in past season, but she became so mean and nasty this season. It almost ruined Carole just hanging around her. Sonja is such a joy. Her response to the news about Tom cheating is all of us; "I don't get why they're surprised." Love her!

I didnt watch but anyone that does a vow renewal on these shows is headed for divorce. Vicki/Don, Ramona/Mario...Im drawing a blank on others but usually this is nothing more than a bandage to mask bigger problems Yep. I won't be surprised when their divorce announcement comes. I don't understand how Shannon can be so forgiving of David, who she knows for a fact had an affair, but can't get past Vicki's possible involvement in Brooks cancer scheme. Don't get me wrong; faking cancer is heinous, but there is no evidence Vicki knew or was involved.

RHOC: The vow renewal was boring and a bunch of BS.

Don't worry. Shannon will play victim as always "I've been under a lot of pressure," "She pushed me to breaking point," "she made me do it," "I am usually such a peaceful person" etc., and her stans will eat it up because she is now Poster Girl for the Poor Cheated-Upon Wives Who 'Forgive' Their Husbands brigade. (And I do feel sympathy for her situation -- she exudes unhappiness and dissatisfaction in her marriage and her life). And IA with you about her wanting to de-throne Vicki. I think she genuinely was her pal the first season but last season with the fake cancer scandal, she saw her chance and cut her off. Honestly, I think that she let a lot of praise go straight to her head. She really acts up the family scenes in front of the cameras now. She has not realized two important rules of RHOC tho: 1. Tamra and Vicki will always make up and break up, and 2. Tamra will betray you in a heartbeat, cut you off and try and get you off the show. The fact that Shannon thinks she can ice out Vicki from the show AND 'manage' Tamra is the height of her delusion. Kelly is loud and unconventional and more importantly seems to want to enjoy life and live it up. For some reason, the latter really pisses some people off (see Lisa V's haters). IA with Chris B, Giraffe is literally the worst HW of all time. She was last year, too, when she was all smug and self-righteous and hiding behind Jim Edmonds' status. I agree with all of this!!! Great commentary!

RHOC: How do you all feel about Shannon? For whatever reason she has always rubbed me the wrong way. Kelly was was OTT and kind of vulgar, but I found myself rooting for her. Shannon is the only housewife I can honestly say I despise. Meagan is annoying. She is so whiny and childish, her husband is going to leave her because she acts like a 10 year old.

I really do feel bad for these people, but this is ridiculous. There has been multiple hearings, all which have cleared her of any wrongdoing. The GOP are the ones who cut security funding, maybe they should go after them. Under Bush there were 13 attacks on various embassies resulting in 60 deaths and nothing was done about it, come to think of it maybe all the parents of soldiers who died in Iraq during Bush's fake war should sue him. That wouldn't happen, why? Because it's ridiculous! The fact that more money is going to be spent on this is aggravating to me.

NYC: I forgot to add that I don't buy Bethenny's act for one second. She is not conflicted, she wouldn't have mentioned it on camera at all if she was! This is something she should be doing off camera and then we see all the reactions to it on camera. Bethenny is so proud of herself.

NYC: Dorinda is going to get it at the reunion, all of the others are now watching her start all the drama each week. OC: I have loved watching Kelly put Shannon in her place. She has always had this higher than mighty attitude!

When Carly first showed up, I loved it. Sarah Brown played the role so well. Today, I go back and forth with her. I don't like her around Sonny, I think she becomes weak and a hypocrite. Even so, I think that the introduction of Caroline Benson was one of GH's most well told stories. They need to write her much better, because she is iconic. Right now she appears to be nothing more than another women to prop Sonny.

I love this thread!