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4 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

I believe She and Matt live somewhere in PA. I also believe that Matt is into pottery and art like his on-screen mother Victoria Wyndham as well. 

 

I wouldn't mind if Lila Rae comes to PC to mix it up with Cameron, Joss, Trina, and hopefully Spencer. Maybe RC can do stints here and there if she doesn't want to commit bi-coastal. 

I think she'd be fine as recurring.  Just to introduce her daughter and stuff.  Idk, she always felt like the most viable Jax love interest outside of Brenda/Carly and if we are keeping IR i wouldn't be against it.

13 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

That's how I feel too. It's uneasy that there's been ZERO information. On the one hand, the show has invested in new sets - why would they ever bother to do that? On the other hand, is this why Sweeney agreed to return because she knew it was a finite period of time to give the show closure? 

It seems weird they would recast EJ too if the show was ending.

Ben is such a creep.  I am seriously uncomfortable with his treatment of Ciara.  And I was fairly okay with Cin before.  Like calm down Ben!  Your wife is alive!  She may not remember you but she's not dead so that's still a win.  I am okay with them playing him as slightly psycho because he is, but should I be invested in this love story lol

15 hours ago, Vee said:

Hello again. I honestly think - though I could be wrong - that Robin all but retired from the business a number of years ago. My understanding is she only did those drop-in guest stints in the later years of her GH run to keep her insurance. JFP, who loved Robin, was always happy to oblige.

 

I do think she worked much better on the show as a guest to come in for short runs and cause trouble. That was right for her on GH. I never bought Skye as a Quartermaine, and even less so when they kept her as part of the family fold when she'd been forced in overnight and then was revealed to be a fraud only a few years later.

I wonder what her and Matt Crane do now.  

Skye was always a weird fit for GH.  I actually thought she was pretty good with Jax, but they broke up and went nowhere.  I didn't mind her as a Q, but I was annoyed they retconned it just so she could hook up with Ned.    Also, Rae running around 3 soaps looking for her baby daddy/child, regardless of age was stupid.

I wouldn't hate her coming back with Lila Rae or anything.. Although her and Nina seem like very similar characters to me and I am not sure why.

Probably not well.   Her holding a gun was just hilarious.  And her line reading...

12 minutes ago, te. said:

TALKING ABOUT CHARITY RAHMER ON DAYS ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

 

Three weeks we shall never forget!!!!

 

When will Ken let us stream them??!?!?

I mean, I would pay like 5 bucks in streaming to watch Charity Rahmer again lol.  She was a true legend.

17 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

We are not yet in Charity Roehmer towards John territory but it is an odd dynamic. I wish this was brilliant acting to hint they were not actually father/daughter but alas...

Charity Rahmer's best work was hitting on John.  I always wonder if that was her 'master acting' or she just literally had no idea it was her onscreen dad.  I wish her work was still available on you tube.

No, Jack and Gwen were weird.  If I tuned into the show for the first time today and you told me Gwen and Jack were a pairing I would believe you.  

33 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Damn Gregg Marx was handsome lol

 

I know they burnt through a lot of story for David in just a few years, but he never should have been written out. I think there was still more that they could have done with him.

Trish holding that gun is just so lol.   The least threatening thing ever.  

Are Jack and Gwen kinda creepy to anyone else?  Their scenes are just weird. I could just be reading the room wrong, but they aren't hitting the father/daughter notes very well.

Also, WTH are Jarlena?  Just sleeping in?  Isn't Kristen worried about them walking into their own living room lol?  Or the other 40 people that live in Jarlena's penthouse?  It seems unnecessarily risky to go out of costume like that.

5 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

Not canasta at the Community Center. 🤣🤣🤣

Well either that or she's about to move to Miami and live out her golden years with Sophia, Rose, Blanche, and Dorthey.  She's a lovely lady, but Julie is portrayed as the grumpy grandma while Jarlena are still portrayed as a hot couple still getting it on lol.

4 minutes ago, teplin said:

I would argue that Don was A-level in the mid-to-late 70s, both before and during the time he was paired with Marlena -- Jed Allan was somewhat of a fixture in those Daytime TV fan polls. But he was mostly an afterthought once he and Marlena broke up. I thought he had great chemistry with Suzanne Rogers for the brief time they were paired, and also with Ann-Marie Martin's Gwen Davies.

 

But yes, CC was such a great role for him, being fired by DAYS worked out for the best. 

 

 

I don't think he was actually fired by Days just dropped to recurring and he chose to leave.  What ever happened to Gwen?  She was Marlena's roomate during the Strangler stuff and I don't remember anything that happened after.

I actually think Jed Allan had great chemistry with Suzanne.  It was probably her best pairing.  Which is blasphemous to say, but her and Mickey always bored me to tears.

9 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

If only Corday (or someone) had prioritized the Hortons over  the years.

Characters like David Banning,Steve Olsen and Sandy Horton had years of story potential and could have acted out stories given to others over the years.

I understand that certain characters were offscreen for various reasons but they could have been kept alive in viewers minds by some quick referencing eg in say 1983 Marie gets word Jessica is pregnant and the birth is acknowledged. Tom and Alice could say they visited and Nick Fallon is established from birth. An ornament is added that Xmas.

And so on. Establish the next generation instead of them turning up randomly.

 

RE SSH and Deidre. Susan was always such a stylish lady but a some point seem to settle into frumpyish old lady mode with the flowing tops, chunky necklaces, tipped easy care hair do and comfy sandals.

Mind you DH is now channeling her inner lesbos with the tartan shirts and pleather jackets.

But she certainly presents younger than Susan.

DH's current wardrobe is atrocious with the plaid and ugly jackets, but SSH looks she's late for a canasta game at the community center.  I honestly had no idea DH and SSH were near the same age.  It makes it more clear they aged Julie way too early.   They always were two different generations to me.

9 hours ago, Wendy said:

About Don, his non-exit off to mail that damned letter on Days was probably the best thing that could have happened to Jed Allan. After all of the trouble TPTB had at establishing C.C. Capwell on Santa Barbara, he was a revelation in the role and gave the character the kick in the ass he so sorely needed.

 

And his interactions with Lane Davies as black-sheep son, Mason, were golden.

 

Don would have always been B/C-level at best. C.C. was better in terms of "meat" for Jed Allan in the long run.

It's weird because I know Don did stuff after he divorced Marlena, but I can't remember any of it.  Besides his romance with Maggie.  It's weird he was onscreen for a decade and all I can remember about him is that he was married to Marlena and his son died. 

C.C. Capwell was certainly the best thing that happened to him.

2 minutes ago, beebs said:

Carrie and Austin's son is apparently named Noah. I'm sure that'll change once he's actually onscreen, though 😛

Agreed on all counts. There is an embarrassment of riches to work with, and with such interesting histories to work with, the stories would write themselves if the writers would bother to do a minute of research. I still struggle to understand why Ciara isn't the daddy-starved brat Lauren Boles played. Nathan was underdeveloped, but would be great if he was fleshed out better. Hell, we don't even know who his FATHER is, over ten years later!

Johnny should be the vaguely sociopathic DiMera heir apparent of the teen set. I have NO idea why they haven't cast him yet.

I would totally be okay with Lauren Boles taking over Ciara today.  

I liked Nathan.  He was bland but okay and I hope Melissa found a guy that actually liked her lol.  I think they should recast and bring back Jeremy Horton as well. 

I NEED Johnny to be cast and bring Sami hell.  She still talks about Marlena's affair.  I need a child to call her out. 

It's so bizarre to me that Carrie was everything in the 90's and is so forgotten.  I loved her and her really bad hair.  

There are just so many possibilities.  It's like Days wants to make things happen and push people on us then completely drop them.  I guess it's head writing changes but it's weird..

3 minutes ago, beebs said:

The show's problem is really that, while they invested a lot of time and energy into their young characters in the 2000s and 2010s, they didn't develop them as much as CHARACTERS, and they're paying for that now. The last blast crew are so generic they change personalities with every visit, and the 2010s teen crew, while better developed, don't follow through with the directions their histories suggest they should have. 

Chad should NEVER have forgiven Gabi, nevermind fallen for her. That not only negated the previous 3-4 years of story, but it also removed a lot of Gabi's thrust as a character to that point. She always felt inferior to, and unworthy, compared to the other women in her circle, and that motivated a lot of her choices, from hiring Andrew the Stalker, to sleeping with Will when she knew he was gay, to falling for and marrying Nick. She settled for scraps every time. While I do like that she finally had enough after taking the rap for Abbygabbylauragale killing André and grew a spine, the wind was definitely out of her sails for awhile.

The leads now could easily have been Austin and Carrie, but that chance has also past. I'dve brought them back for the 50th, had Patrick Muldoon's Austin rediscover his love of music playing piano at TBD, and have Eve and him connect over their shared love of music. While Carrie is busy working a case (let's say Ben goes to trial and Carrie is his attorney, pissing off the rest of the family after Will's murder), Austin spends his free time coaching Eve back into singing, and eventually they have an affair (for some reason, I see PM having chemistry with KDP and not Austin Peck). Obviously, Carrie hooks back up with Rafe during this time.

This could've carried years of story, and taken the pressure off the DM's. It's getting a little ridiculous at this point to focus the energy on them, really. You're right.

Carrie should absolutely be the lead.   I would say Belle, but she's so vanilla.  She is Carrie without the charisma.  John/Marlena's daughter should not be so lame.  And Sami/Carrie's rivalry is still very viable.

I like Gabi a lot.  I think CB is really good and not utilized correctly.  MM's Abby is a bore, but where is Stephanie? Chelsea?  Melanie?  Noelle? Sydney?  Johnny?  Unknown Carrie/Austin kid? Andrew?  Justin/Adrienne's 5 kids?  Where is POCKET? lol  There is just a lot of material and very little follow through.

1 minute ago, Bill Bauer said:

 

 

Deidre Hall used to be a very good actress.

very good and so likeable.  Beautiful, but very grounded and charismatic with good rapport with her co stars.   Which isn't easy

2 minutes ago, beebs said:

Yeah, well. DAYS does that a lot nowadays. See revealing Eli is David's son in the same instant that we find out David drove his motorbike into a ditch and died. All offscreen. 

 

I miss Marlena's snark. She needs a snark partner, be it Kristen, Hope, or Mary. Deidre is great when she gets to show that side of Marlena. You're right as well, What I've seen of the reveal of Kellam's rape was riveting. But again, I think it's harder to give it 100% when the stories you're given are so...shall we say, fanciful.

I had Noelle come to town married to a secretly bisexual Alex Kiriakis, and she can't figure out why her husband is disinterested in the bedroom, meanwhile Alex is sniffing around Will Horton, so Noelle goes after Eric. I love a good mess. LOL.

But really, it doesn't make sense to tell the story without her. She's a blank slate AND a legacy character. It's a perfect opportunity, and they just didn't take it. 

Noelle would be great to add to the canvas because she's not related to half the town, but still a legacy character.   So you don't end up with a Claire, who is literally related to everyone.

I have said this before, but I feel like Deidre basically just said screw it after the Possession.  She's still good in the 
Affair story, but it takes a turn from Maison Blanche on lol.  I just think the DH's just do what they do with the kidnappings and life threatening stuff that happens twice a year.  But I do think the show needs younger characters because John/Marlena still lead and that's disconcerting when I don't see an heir to the throne.  Unless Ali wants to come back full time.

3 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Reminds me when Days was making fans vote on whether John or Stefano should be the father of Hope's baby (so many things wrong with that, not least of which excluding the option most fans would vote for and that they ended up going with later anyway) and the promos had three randoms with a sign in a studio parking lot.
I hope the one who had to pretend they were rooting enough for Stefano as Hope's babydaddy that they showed up at the studio with a sign were at least paid a stipend.

Didn't Bo just win as a write in?  Or, no, John "won" lol.  And then it was retconned.

13 minutes ago, beebs said:

Agreed. I don't think the synopsies do justice to the work Deidre put in to sell these stinkers at the time. 

Liz should have been back so many times. I still think Noelle and Liz need to come back. When putting together my fanfic, I had Linsey Godfrey in as Noelle before the show cast her as Sarah, and honestly, agewise, I still think it's a better fit.

I do get the sense as well that Marlena was, up until around 1980, very much on the B-story at DAYS. She just kept knocking what material she was given out of the park and when Rabin cleared the rest of the vets out in 1980, she was recentred as a more central figure. 

I do think a good headwriter would've really dug into Don's sense that Marlena was a consolation prize, and built something of an insecurity complex into Marlena's dealings with Don into it, rather than all the Donna nonsense. Or maybe have it COLOUR the Donna story, where Marlena feels like Don cares more about Donna than her because he sees Marlena more as a warm body than anything, and have Julie and Don maintain the kind of friendship that Julie and Neil ultimately had, existing largely to stimulate Marlena's insecurities about her relationship with Don.

But no.

Idk, I did get the sense Don really loved her.  Moreso, after they divorced.  It was clear he did value her.  Not in the same way Roman or John did, but they never were very compatible to begin with.  But honestly, I never took Don/Julie very seriously, so i had no investment.

5 minutes ago, j swift said:

It is remarkable that Deidre Hall is only four years younger than Susan Seaforth Hayes, but on screen they seemed a generation apart.  By the time Marlena got together with Don, Julie had been married multiple times, had a grown son, and a grandson.  Considering that Julie and Doug went on their world tour in 1984, Marlena stayed younger and more viable as a leading character for much longer, relatively speaking

Well Deidre made sure she didn't age for years.  The woman has an excellent plastic surgeon. She was forty for like 20 years.  Plus she had younger love interests and was moved into being Hope/Kayla/Kim's contemporaries even if she really wasn't.

2 minutes ago, beebs said:

Agreed. I don't think the synopsies do justice to the work Deidre put in to sell these stinkers at the time. 

Liz should have been back so many times. I still think Noelle and Liz need to come back. When putting together my fanfic, I had Linsey Godfrey in as Noelle before the show cast her as Sarah, and honestly, agewise, I still think it's a better fit.

I was shocked at how good Deidre was in the rape and Strangler stories.  She is so free of her current histrionics.  She is just very good.  She even makes lame Josh seem okay.  And she's kind of good snarking at the lame Mary recast.  I would say Don/Marlena at Kellam's will reading/trial whatever where she admits Kellam rapes her is one of her best scenes ever.

Noelle is so needed.  We find out she is scandalous and slept with Rex and we don't even get to meet her?  Fail...

3 minutes ago, BuckyB12 said:

 

I always thought that Marlena was Don's consolation prize after Julie and Doug finally got married. Like, he wasn't ever going to be a serious rival for Doug in the future (the function he served between Julie's divorce from Bob and the eventual Doug/Julie nuptials) so why not pair him with Marlena? I don't think anyone at the time, on either side of the camera, thought that Marlena would become the central heroine of the show over the next decade and would still be around 40 years later. Or, for that matter, that a few years later, Don would just vanish from Salem without a trace --  and no one noticed. 

I mean good for Don lol?  They were cute for a minute, but he was mostly a sexist jerk, so a young, hot thing like Marlena could have done a lot better.  

2 minutes ago, j swift said:

Poor Trista was another Evans family fatality due to a serial killer.  No wonder her parents stayed in Colorado for Marlena's many weddings, Salem is too dangerous for the Evans family

 

He just retired this year

Trista was lame, but poor Eugene.  Marlena's parents raised Eric/Sami so there's that contribution.  I actually would like to know what Marlena's parents thought about 2 Romans, numerous kidnappings/fake deaths, and devil possession.  They must have asked what they did to deserve it all lol

2 minutes ago, beebs said:

It's funny, the stuff we're discussing is so clear in my mind, and yet, just months later, I have completely lost interest in writing the monthly synopsies I was doing. I know I'll get back to them in time, in one form or another, but like...it's surprising how quickly DAYS shifted to this whole slew of new characters I simply couldn't care less about. Most of the stories before, no matter how bad they were, were at least engaging enough that I got sucked into writing about them, and the characters, and everything. But Laemmle's characters were so bland that, with the exception of Jessica, who I find roundly unlikeable, and Liz, who was spared largely because I sense Gloria Loring really gave 110% every damn day than the writing, I really don't give a damn about these people, and they CONSUME about 80% of the column inches in 1980. No wonder the show was in trouble.

I can definitely see how, considering the shift toward these bland characters and their romantic back and forth no one gives a damn about, Marlena would have shifted to become more central during this period. She's the only thing that really grounds any of the Kellam & Co. nonsense, and even though she's being written as a complete knob throughout the story, you care about what happens to her, Don, and Liz.

Deidre is really good in the Kellam story even though the material sucks.   I can see how she shifted to a lead pretty easily.  I think WN/Roman and the Strangler story really just solidifies it all.  Even if she isn't the greatest actress she's a very likable lead.

I actually wish they would have brought Liz back in the 90's..

1 minute ago, j swift said:

I just researched the LA Times archive and one other tip off that the protest was fake is that it was covered by our local "wacky weatherman" Fritz Coleman rather than an actual reporter and Fritz appeared in a cameo as a reporter on Days the next week.

Haha  Fritz Coleman.  Is he still around?  I like him lol.  

2 minutes ago, beebs said:

In a sensible world, the kidney issue would've been what finally brings the sisters back together, but they'd already reconciled by then because Ann Marcus said so.

The kidney story was the next in a series of annoying domestic disputes between Don and Marlena that inadvertently showed just how poorly matched they were. Marlena was willing to give up a kidney for Sam, her own pregnancy be damned, and Don didn't even want Sam in the house. It's a miracle their marriage lasted another year, to be honest.

I think PFS knew there wasn't much for Sam to do, knowing that, ultimately, she was hardly like Stuart Chandler, in that she wasn't SO different from Marlena that she would really add anything to the show, other than open the door to yet more doppelganger nonsense. The best course of action, IMO, was indeed to kill her off.

I thought the letter-writing campaign was serious, but the protest...the more I look back on it and how Marlena was written mostly as part of the ensemble at that point, I really can't see it being legit so much as a publicity stunt. The public were way more willing to buy into that stuff back then, let's be honest.

I am surprised Don and Marlena ever got married.  Don kind of sucks.  Marlena could have done better lol.  I did always think Marlena/Don ended abruptly.  I assume they were going to get back together at some point.  But Marlena was hanging out with Josh Fallon way too much and then Roman appeared. 

Very true about Marlena/Sam being not different enough.  Once Sam became 'good' there really wasn't a difference.  I just thought it might have been interesting to see Sam progress throughout the years.   And it would have been nice to give Marlena blood family outside of her kids.

1 minute ago, beebs said:

Oh for sure! And that's the thing. Not a year later, Sam's back in Hollywood, and Marlena has forgiven Sam so totally that she's asked her to be Maid of Honour at her wedding! But somehow Donna isn't worth forgiving  at this point, for much less horrific crimes?? It all just made no sense.

I honestly think that PFS just saw what a terrible set of stories Sam had and just decided "nah". The twist of everyone thinking the Strangler got Marlena was too inspired an opportunity to pass up, and, in all fairness, watching what I have of Andrea Hall, she's not much of an actress. She would foul up her lines more times than she'd get them right. So unless they were gonna have Deidre do the double role, it hardly felt worth keeping both characters.

 

The fact that we're only NOW at the point where folks are suspicious of death, suggests to me this community at large doesn't have a particularly high ratio of Mensa members, put it that way.

Didn't Sam need a kidney or something too lol?  And just randomly date day players?

I think I would have just left it open for Deidre to do a double roll.   From what I have seen of Andrea, she isn't an actress and comes off incredibly cold. But I guess it was such a pivotal moment in Days history it's fine, but I wonder if PFS would have done things differently in hindsight, knowing DH would become the leading actress on Days for 40 more years.  Who knows?  I can't even remember the last time Marlena mentioned having a twin or her marriage to Don lol

3 minutes ago, j swift said:

BTW I still remember the local news here in LA covering "the protest" of fans who thought Marlena had died.  If see the video now, the protest signs are totally fake, and protestors amounted to five random extras walking in a very orderly circle.

I always thought the protest was serious and real lol

2 minutes ago, beebs said:

Nah, you're not the only one. Especially all because Sam was addicted to pills that impaired her judgment? Sam ain't THAT smart. It made Don look even dumber than he usually does.

And yeah, they made up within a year. It was honestly stupid to me, because it felt like Ann Marcus refused to give that story any long-term fallout, and AFAIC, the breakdown of Sam and Marlena's relationship could've been GREAT, especially since AM introduced Marlena's parents and all. Marlena's tension between knowing that Sam only did what she did because her drug abuse, and the deep mistrust and trauma of being locked away falsely, could've been a GREAT story, but instead, we got....Donna.😬

I was going to say wasn't Sam on drugs as well lol?  

Anyway, they really didn't play the fallout between Sam/Marlena or Sam's psychological issues enough.  I know it was drugs influencing her, but that's some crazy scheme she pulled.  A year later wasn't Sam living her best life as a successful actress?

I have often thought it was short-sighted to kill Sam off so early in Marlena's run.  I think the Strangler story is really good, but think of all the stories Sam could have been involved with over the years.  And Marlena never got any other family aside from a cousin that got killed off as well.  Idk, seems like a waste of potential.

4 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

 

During ED's first return as Kristen, when it was short-term and something of a ploy on her part, I liked Brady and Kristen. They had good chemistry; it was weird but it worked because it straddled a fine line between a scheme and some real passion and you could just enjoy a ride you knew was short-term.
When they started to want us to buy into it as a legitimate couple who is trying to make it for real and play them in stories over time is when they lost me. A fling? I was into it. A love story? no way. 

Agreed.  I liked them at first.  I thought it was a great revenge plot by Kristen and ED and EM had good chemistry.  SH and EM don't really have much chemistry and they don't make sense as a couple or a love story.  Kristen should be a villian, plotting revenge against John/Marlena for all eternity, not whining about a kid she knew when he was a toddler.  Brady is no prize, but there are better options for him.

I am glad I am not the only one who has huge issues with the Sam/Marlena switch.   They are obviously twins, but you can literally tell them apart.  The whole story is just implausible.  I get it was cool because Deidre had a twin IRL, but c'mon, I doubt Sam could have pulled off such an elaborate scheme.  It made everyone, especially Don, look ridiculous.

4 minutes ago, Wendy said:

Makes me wonder why Marlena and Roman would name their kids after a sister that kidnapped the babies' mother and took her place and a great uncle [to said twins] that molested his niece [Kimberly Brady]! (Although, in the case of Eric Brady, Sr., maybe that wasn't known when the twins were born. But the Samantha stuff would have been remembered!)

Sam and Marlena were fine by the time Sam died.  They had long since reconciled.  I assume they wouldn't have named a twin after her if she hadn't died.  Eric Brady, Sr. molestation stuff wasn't known until after the twins were born.

4 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Haha... only in soap opera land can the kid whose diapers you changed grow up to become the love of your life 😂😂

 

And yeah, I'm a Lumi fan too. This was a long time coming and I'm glad that it happened. But at the same time I am a little excited to see what's going to happen when nuEJ shows up.

I feel like people should be WAY more creeped out by Kristen and Brady, but they aren't.  Marlena is Kristen's bff, so 🤣🤣   I am also excited about nuEJ.  I just never liked EJami.  Sami should be with Lucas.  She was never meant to be with the Austins or EJ's of the world.