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I freaking LOVE David and Erica. They were INSANELY hot. I hate, hate, hate that they never got back together as planned. Vincent and Susan have both said that they were told that Agnes wanted Erica single and unattached to deal with Bianca coming out, so that's why David and Erica broke up. They were both reportedly told that David and Erica would get back together after Bianca came out, but for some reason, that was dropped, and for what? For the utter crap that was David obsessing over Dixie? For Erica to end up with Chris Stamp? Ugh. What a waste. Erica had a man who loved HER just as she was, who could look her in the eyes when her face was scarred and tell her that she was still beautiful and always would be. She had a man who could put up with her schemes and manipulations, who could scheme right along with her, a man who didn't cheat on her or abandon her. After Erica accepted his proposal, they got into a fight, which continued at her house and only ended when Bianca walked in. Instead of giving up on her and walking out on her like a zillion other men did, he stayed with them, made them both dinner and refused to let her kick him out and run from him. This man was EVERYTHING Erica needed, and TPTB threw it all away and replaced it with utter garbage. I'm still bitter about that.

Oooh, no, I have not seen a full uncut 20/20 interview of Susan and Joan! Do you by any chance have it?? I do have some interesting print articles about Susan from the 70s and 80s that I need to scan and share.

I won a full Youthful Essence set from her once. IMHO the clarisonic mia is a much better tool, but I actually really like her eye creams and the daytime moisturizer with SPF. I just wish it had a higher SPF - it's 15, and 30 would be better. I have not tried La Lucci. Personally I think the Invitation bottle is a little weird looking.

I have not smelled either the Fusion stuff or the Enchantment perfume that was released a long time ago. I will, however, confess to buying a bottle of Susan Lucci's Invitation, and it smells much better than I thought it would. Not my favorite by any means, but not horrible either.

^ That dress does her no favors, that's for sure. I really hope Fusion isn't a big part of a revamped AMC. I'm so over both Fusion and ConFusion.

WHY didn't AMC hire HIM instead of Michael Nouri as Caleb??? I would have much rather watched Robert Newman, and I too love the idea of seeing these two mix it up on screen.

^ I really didn't care for the drug addiction storyline. It just dragged on and on and on, and it felt like blatant Emmy bait for Susan Lucci. It was so depressing to watch. Plus Erica was FUNNY when she drank, and making her an addict totally ruined any chance for drunk Erica to ever be funny again.

User unicojodi has uploaded a bunch of Dimitri and Erica clips, and AMCthroughtheyears, which is mostly a Brooke channel, has some clips of the Budapest story as well.

YES. The idea that Trevor would fall in love with Natalie's evil sister who nearly killed her and then marry her was just ridiculous to me. I love Robin Mattson, and I loved her as Janet, but she should have been a totally new character. Honestly, I never liked Trevor, and I thought it was a damn shame Kate Collins was dropped to keep Trevor and his obnoxious accent on camera. If anything, Trevor and Tim should have left town when Natalie died.

I wondered about that as well, if she was some relation to Jack and Travis. Not sure why they didn't do that.

Steve - except that Jack and Erica DID stay together temporarily after the custody case ended. She tried to shove him out of her life, but he refused to leave. The "final straw" for that round of Jack and Erica was that Erica fired Ceara from Enchantment, and Jack knew she'd done so mostly because she was jealous of Ceara's prior dating history with Jack. Jack demanded that she re-hire Ceara, saying that Ceara was very qualified for the position, and when Erica wouldn't budge, he threw down an ultimatum and said either Erica re-hire Ceara, or he was done with her. She refused to let him tell her how to run her own company, and he walked out on her and then turned around and sold Ceara HIS 10% stake in Enchantment for $1 or something ridiculous like that. It was basically Jack being a total jackass to Erica, but once he got involved with Brooke it somehow became twisted and Jack was this "noble" man who stood up for his principles and told the truth on the stand no matter who it hurt, and Erica was the selfish wench who cheated on her husband and expected Jack to lie for her. The writers even had Erica apologizing to Jack for asking him to lie and expecting him to be anything other than a good, decent, honorable man. She claimed to be sincere in her apology, but Brooke was convinced it was all part of a ploy to win Jack back.

I remember a lot of complaints in the soap press about the custody trial, that the trial was pretty much written to be glaringly in Travis's favor with the outcome known to anyone paying attention, and in watching some of the old Jack-Erica-Travis scenes on youtube, I think it's clear they were going that direction. IDK if the original plan was to have Travis take custody and live in Pine Valley with Barbara and the kids, and that was later scrapped, or if TPTB just didn't want to deal with Erica being a mother full time. Didn't Travis admit during Bianca's anorexia that he still loved Erica? Or was that something that Sean brought up - that Travis still loved Erica, and it caused problems in his relationship with Barbara, as did her sleeping around. Given how Sean described life in La Casa Montgomery, I wish they'd stuck around Pine Valley, because that could have been entertaining to watch.

Oh, but how I would have loved for Erica to be a foil for Maria's romance with Zach. That would have been lovely.

YES. TK and SL had good chemistry. I *think* that was the original plan because TK was quoted at some point early on the in Vegas storyline as saying something like he guessed he was going to be doing Susan Lucci for a while. IDK why that was dropped in favor of sticking Erica back with Jack AGAIN. I would have loved it if Zach had taken Erica up on her offer to marry him instead of Kendall. TK and SL are both great comedic performers, and that could have been very entertaining to watch.

Erica did a massive remodel of the mansion in early 1992 when Adam forced her into marriage and made her live there with him. She did it in an attempt to drive him crazy and spend his money, but he refused to take the bait and let her do whatever she wanted with the house.

When I get back later tonight I'll see if I can find that scene. Erica didn't act torn at all. These are two people who once loved each other, and a year or so after that conversation in Adam's house, they took turns tying each other up, talking about love (and Erica's dislike of Greenlee), flirting, coming close to kissing, and when Erica participated in Gayle and Ryan's ruse to trap David, David gave up the info they wanted ONLY when he believed Erica was about to bleed to death on his living room floor. When he caught up with Erica later he told, "You know I would have done anything to save your life" and "I thought we meant something to each other." Erica's interactions with David were always really complex and layered with so much history, a lot like her scenes with Adam from the 90s onward. That's probably one of the reasons I enjoyed the character on screen with both men.

LMAO. I actually LOVED those scenes with Ryan where she's freaking out like that, and then later when they end up in a cabin in the woods and Kendall shows up with the police and finds Ryan with a naked Erica. I thought Ryan and Erica had good comedic chemistry, much in the way that Erica and Tad did. Rather than them having an actual affair, I would have preferred if there'd been some reason for them to pretend to be a couple so we could have the humorous factor of everyone in PV freaking out over the idea that Erica and Ryan were sleeping together without having to see them actually, you know, in bed together. One of my favorite Erica/Ryan scenes (aside from those car/cabin ones) is when they're in bed at his place and Kendall calls. Except for, you know, the creepiness of Erica and Ryan being all over each other.

Adam and Erica had a few good kisses, and she lived with him off and on for a while there, ostensibly because the yacht club had been damaged in the tornado, and she was fond of wandering around the mansion half-dressed. And she did tell Colby and JR right before the trial that she loved their father. She was very much on Adam's side, wanting AJ to stay with his father, but there was a very interesting scene right around the time Adam started blackmailing Krystal. Erica walked in on Adam talking to a very shell-shocked Krystal (who'd just been told that she had to sink David's chances at the trial or he'd tell the world she'd sold Babe's twin), and later that evening, Erica caught David sneaking through the tunnels to spy on Adam. Despite living with Adam and supposedly being on JR's side, Erica told David that Adam most definitely had something on Krystal because of what she'd witnessed, and then she let David leave without ever cluing Adam in. I remember watching it going "WTF is she doing? Whose side is she really on here?" because she clearly hated Krystal, but she wasn't willing to let David be completely ambushed either.

It was during the custody trial after Babe died. JR was drinking, in part because Amanda drove him to it (she was paid off by David to do it, but she felt guilty about doing it), and AJ drank some of his dad's booze and passed out. David reunited with Krystal and they married and sued for custody, saying that JR was an unfit parent (which was really not a well thought out plan, considering that Krystal lost custody of Jenny to Tad). This was when Erica and Adam were together in their weird sort-of relationship. To avoid turning over AJ to foster care, Erica and Adam took him "on vacation" and then Erica returned to Pine Valley, leaving Adam and a nanny in hiding with AJ, but Erica then sneaked JR in to see his son on his birthday. The judge had AJ stay with Jesse and Angie while custody was determined and both parties had visitation. Adam did some digging and found some dirt on Krystal (which we later found out was the existence of Marissa and that Krystal had sold Babe's twin for a black market adoption) and blackmailed her into torpedoing the custody case on the stand - she testified essentially that David was violent, and JR got his son back.

This would have been SO much better. I get that Erica was very conflicted over Josh and that he really wasn't meant to ever exist as far as she was concerned, but if they were going to have him be her aborted fetus, I would have liked to see more conversations between them with him struggling to understand why she didn't want him when she was pregnant, him asking her how she felt about the 'abortion' as she went on with her life, if she ever regretted it, etc. I also REALLY wish that they'd spent more time playing up what an ENORMOUS violation this was of Erica. They kind of touched on it, which might have sufficed for another character, but we're talking about someone who was brutally raped when she was practically still a child, who gave birth to a baby as a result of that violent rape, and who suffered tremendously over the years as a result of the attack, the birth, and the removal of the denial she'd lived with for so long. To me, the realization that Greg did this to her should have had a more lasting effect on Erica. I guess MMT was too busy trying to tell the story of Erica and Jeff living happily ever after with their fetus to care. I hated Josh's existence, but once they made me like him, it pissed me off to no end that they killed him off like that and managed to make an ever bigger ass out of Zach at the same time. Erica seemed numb for most of Josh's death, which is how Erica tends to handle a lot of trauma, but I would have preferred to see the eventual breakdown and her realizing that she'd come to love this son she hadn't wanted, and now he was gone. I think killing off Josh was the only way to "undo" the unabortion, but the way it was done was just terrible.

That gap of time is one where they could have come back and said that Erica did something/something happened to her/she met someone, etc. since she was off the show for about 3-4 months. Hell, if they wanted to make Josh Erica's son, they could have said that she found out she was pregnant by Tom after she was in CA, and she gave birth and either didn't want the baby or maybe it had health problems and a nefarious doctor (ie Greg Madden) told her the baby wouldn't live and then stole it or something. That would have made a hell of a lot more sense than what we saw.

Nah, she was all about being glam. Can you picture Susan Lucci making goofy faces at the camera? Sadly, I can't, but I would have loved to see the result if she had.

Some of those pics were used in People. Some were just extras, I guess, because I hadn't seen some of those! Love them. That pic of Walt Willey with the cigar is great, and I LOVE the pics of MCE and VI!

According to her, terrible. She wrote in her book that her dad made her take lessons because he wanted her to learn how to play, and to get out of it, she and a friend locked their piano teacher out of his house. IDK if Helmut plays or if they had the piano because a friend played or what, but from what she wrote, I got the impression she didn't really play any instruments as an adult.

My guess is she had a tan. La Lucci was much more tan in the 70s. She didn't really start to look pale until the late 80s or so.