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  1. On 3/27/2020 at 5:43 PM, Antoyne said:

    Do people still like the Brooke character anymore? She seems to be an awful person through and through. The last time I semi regularly watched B&B she was having an affair with Bill.


    I used to love to hate her but now I just can't. The intense focus on her through the years is what caused me to quit. I don't think the character works as a lead, or as the type of heroine Brad Bell tries to write her as. She worked better when she had characters like Caroline, Taylor or Stephanie on the canvas - it wasn't just every story for everyone over 40 revolving around who Brooke is screwing. I don't buy this "turning her into Stephanie" thing. KKL seems nice but she doesn't have the chops for it. 


    I enjoy Rena as Quinn from the little I have seen of her but the only time they give her any focus is when they want a foe for Brooke

  2. Does anyone know where I can find the February 2, 1987 episode? 


    It's the episode where Jake and Lucy have an ONS. I have been looking for the actual scene everywhere, I'm still very confused as to how it happened. I know he was defending her when everyone felt she was a murderer but still the ONS seemed to come out of absolutely nowhere. 

  3. 8 hours ago, JamesF said:

    It looks like they're working in the opposite direction - 2005 is patchy but they've uploaded pretty much everything from 2006 to date. A strange move but interesting development. I hold out hope we'll get more.


    There's no geo blocking either which is a refreshing change.


    I tried to watch these after watching the older stuff and I just can't. It's all so damn terrible. 


    I have been rewatching the Morgan storyline since it's being uploaded and Sarah Buxton was better than I remember.  The story was nonsense though and insulting to the viewers intelligence - an email? He got an email from his wife telling him to sleep with someone else and he goes OK SURE! 


    While Ronn IS Ridge, I really felt bad for his co-stars sometimes. It really had to be like acting opposite a brick wall. Everyone else always had to do all of the heavy lifting:





    Not sure how but I kind of think they should have found a way to keep Buxton around. Also Morgan "killing" Taylor would have made more sense than Sheila doing it 2002



  4. I was watching old episodes and I didn't remember this Tony and Lucy scene - it was jarring seeing him be this rough with her and it become borderline violent:




    I also found the conversation they had the next day fascinating (Lynn Herring's vulnerability here is just great, rarely did we see that from Lucy and they never said much about her childhood prior to this I don't believe)


  5. 2 hours ago, DRW50 said:


    KKL and Sean Kanan had so much chemistry together I didn't mind the story, but I do agree it was very corrosive. I think Brooke had already lost some of her depth before that point though - the whole Brooke's Bedroom story felt very silly and tacky to me. Bill Bell gave her more layers and respect. 


    When B&B celebrated it's 8,000th episode, Parade Magazine asked him for his 8 favorite Bold and the Beautiful storylines EVER.


    His answers told me everything I needed to know (and explained why he's such a terrible writer - who in their right mind would pick these):



    1991: The wedding of Eric Forrester and Brooke Logan. 

    1998: Brooke’s Bedroom. 

    2010: Stephanie Forrester and the homeless. 

    2011-2017: Steffy’s wedding entrances. 

    2015-2016: Maya’s secret. 

    2018: Who shot Bill Spencer? 


  6. B&B - It absolutely positively was the Ridge/Bridget arc. B&B had always been somewhat trashy, but respectable trash. That turned it into something else. It went from guilty pleasure to cheap Jerry Spinger-esque junk. Ridge was never a great character but that effectively killed any appeal he once had as a romantic lead. It was also when it became crystal clear to me that the days of Bill Bell having any input or overseeing the direction of the show were completely gone. I know Bill Bell was not there in an official capacity, but from what everyone said he was still overseeing and giving some direction to B&B until he got sick (which I believe was around 2000-2001).


    Y&R - The sperm saga. I like Kay Alden but I felt she was given too much of a pass for this story. To have not 1 (Nikki), not 2 (Ashley), but 3 (Diane) women fighting over Victor's sperm was uttrrly ridiculous. I HATED what it did to all three female characters and I think that story did irreparable damage to Ashley. We are still paying for that atrocious story today with all the Abby focus - a completely useless character that should have never existed. 


    GL - Peapeck and Wheeler. 


    GH - Opie's Opus. That was when the destruction of GH started; the fight over Michael and specifically Sonny snd Jason forcing AJ to give up his parentsl rights. That was the beginning of what become two atrocious decades of the mob and specfically Sonny and Jason ruling all and the show systematically destroying vet after vet after vet to make sure they looked good and righteous in every single story. 




  7. I never got a chance to contribute to this thread and I'm up so a few of my favorites



    Guiding Light - Vanessa reads Henry's letter.

    Maeve Kinkead was just brilliant. I think pound for pound, the acting on Guiding Light was consistently a cut above the rest of the soaps. Other shows had better stories, better production value, but I always felt like there was such a massive emphasis put on letting performances really breathe. 




    Guiding Light - Reva "pushes" Annie down the stairs

    Annie Dutton will forever be one of my all time favorite soap villains. Cynthia was just brilliant and I was so 




    Santa Barbara - Julia talks about her father's alcoholism

    IMO it's one of the best performances Nancy Lee Grahn has ever given



    OLTL - Kelly Confesses to Blair


    And there's not nearly enough Lynn Herring in this thread






  8. Hunter Tylo is basically on Twitter confirming why she won't return to B&B (seems she said she's not coming back to play a doormat or some bickering high schooler).  


    I mean, I can't say I blame her. Why won't Brad just recast? The show is completely unrecognizable and nothing like the B&B of old anyway. Stephanie gone, Sally gone, Macy gone, Thorne recast, Taylor gone, new awful Ridge, Sheila gone, James gone, just recast and rename it 'The Logans' or some nonsense.

  9. Why are full episodes from 1995 -1999 so hard to find? Was something happening during that time?


    It's the same way for Y&R. I feel like finding full episodes from those years is incredibly difficult (I feel like I have been looking for the episodes where Veronica/Sarah shot Nikki for YEARS)

  10. Randomly, I totally forgot that Grant Chambers first episode was him making out with Taylor until someone in the comment section of a YouTube video mentioned it. 



    Was the original plan to put him with Taylor (before Hunter told them she was leaving for Melrose)? They never did anything with their connection and history did they?


    Episode isn't in English, but you can still hear the dialogue pretty well underneath it


  11. Randomly looking at B&B episodes to see what classic stuff is still on You Tube and came across this clip. I can't believe they had Kyle Lowder just flopping around like that (though I guess that might be why they quickly cut out of that scene). 


    If you go to 6:18 in this video when he jumps on the bed you'll see what I mean 



  12. I actually liked Grant's character too though his story was changed more times than I could count. He originally came on as an old high school boyfriend of Taylor's, I think their first scenes were them making out but almost immediately after that Hunter officially informed them she was leaving for Melrose and they quickly shifted to a Grant/Brooke/Ridge triangle. 


    But I will say that I was glad, and whomever made the decision (Bill or Brad) was correct, that 1998 pretty much killed the Brooke/Ridge/Taylor triangle for several years (until Hunter had contract issues with the show again). After the merry go round of 1997 it was time to settle those characters and play something else. 


    Of course that led to Brooke/Thorne and Brooke/Decaon and while I enjoyed Kanan on the show, Deacon took a lot of characters in directions they couldn't really recover from IMO. 


    I think Brad Bell is honestly a bad writer and without his father overseeing things became outright atrocious but the most frustrating thing about him was the waste and stupid rotation of great characters. Characters would come in, stay for a year or two and inevitably be killed off - even if the character was working. 

  13. On 9/18/2019 at 12:27 AM, DRW50 said:

    I thought this story sucked, but I can't deny this sequence is impeccably filmed.




    It was weird. Taylor and Ridge were very obviously Bill Bell's favorite and his preferred couple. But Hunter was so back and forth with the show from 1994-1996 that the writing felt very sporadic. Hunter would leave, and they would slap Brooke and Ridge back together and then Hunter would return and they'd very swiftly go back to Taylor and Ridge. 


    Taylor accepting this proposal made very little sense. She and Ridge had little interaction leading up to this because Hunter had just returned to the show and was pregnant so wasn't taping as much. It was like they rushed a Taylor and Ridge reunion cause they weren't sure if Hunter was going to stick around (an understandable concern during that time but still.....)


    I disagree on 1997-1998 though, I loved that whole Who Shot Grant, Taylor claims Thomas is Thorne's and Brooke fakes a pregnancy/miscarriage mess. Bold was a bit of a mess in 1995 and 1996 but got back on track in 1997 IMO. 

  14. 1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

    Y&R is still almost 500000 less than this time last year. It is still bleeding. The small increases with what Griffith and the promos promoted are a total failure. Viewers should be returning in droves like they did recently for B&B but they're not.


    Michelle Stafford big return was a big failure. They should've kept Gina.




  15. 22 hours ago, Fevuh said:

    She's so highly in demand and such a great actress.  People are fighting to hire her.  Still say - hope she's got that Melrose Money.  

    I think - she would have a chance if she could move her face.  But she's got more plastic in her to sell Rubbermaid containers for the next 20 years.  She and Lisa Rinna cannot stop.  It's sad and something I don't want to see.  She's awful.  


    You seem very personally hurt by the fact that Hunter does not want to return and way too into her personal finances. Weird. 😂😂 


  16. 1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

    There definitely was some sort of deal set in to make Susan stay longer, because I think she had grown tired of the show at least a decade or so before she actually retired...


    Ronn Moss said something to the effect of Susan wanted to leave since like 2004 at some event. 


    KKL is never going to leave but everyone else  from that generation seemed to be pretty over it the last decade tbh. Plus the show moved into becoming all about Liam and his harem.

  17. Oh that's from B&B, the terrible years. 


    I have to say, Flannery is Flannery and they obviously let her do what she wanted but I kind of hated the change in Stephanie's attire and overall lack of care given to her appearance after a certain period. The clothes, the hair, all of it felt very out of character. I think again most of it was the show doing whatever it could to make Flannery happy so she wouldn't quit that crapfest earlier than she did but still....


    In the same vein, they also started letting Ridge morph into Ronn Moss with all the ugly scarves and that nonsense. 

  18. Man, Susan Flannery (and this writing) is MISSED.


    It really baffles me that soaps can't be more creative with the storytelling. They just recycle plot points instead of digging deeper. A man and a woman married for 20 years get divorced after he leaves her for a younger woman. Stephanie is in denial and believes he's just having a midlife crisis and he will eventually come back to her. It sounds simple enough but Stephanie's POV was written very well and more compelling than anything I have seen on B&B in ages. 


    I seesaw back and forth between feeling really sad about what has happened to soaps, just thinking they're better off being cancelled and having a small glimmer of hope that at least one writer on one show will get it or possibly turn their show around. 



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