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9 hours ago, Chris B said:

 I could be wrong, but I believe Bill Bell stepped away from B&B in 1993 and he stepped away from Y&R in 1997. 

He stepped away as headwriter in 1993 and as EP in 1996 but I believe he was still heavily involved with both shows until he got sick and I think that was around 2001/2002. He was still consulting on story which Kay Alden confirmed. 

Wait, why is that surprising? Finola and Stafford were close before Stafford joined GH and Stafford and CLB have been best friends for like 20 years. 

On 12/22/2021 at 9:21 PM, Sasha66 said:

What are you alls overall thoughts on the Ridge Brooke Taylor triangle? When do you feel it ran it course, and when do you feel it was at its prime.

It was....weird. 

I guess I got the appeal of Bridge prior to 1992 (but not really because of the Caroline factor) but from 1992-2002 the triangle almost solely consisted of Brooke boohoo'ing and telling Ridge they were destiny and him rejecting her for Taylor. The execption being 1994 when Taylor returned. None of the characters were written particularly well or with much depth though they all had moments I guess? I wish they would have focused more on actually writing better for all 3 characters than just playing the same tired beats over and over. 

Also I think Tylo's exits greatly affected the writing. KKL and Moss had made it pretty clear that they were content and fine with being lifers on Bold whereas Hunter made it pretty clear that was not in her plans and that disrupted a lot - Hunter always had one foot out of the door. She left in 1994, then returned later in the year, told them in 1995 she was leaving again, left in early 1996 and then returned later that year, and 2000 and 2001 was just some messy back and forth with Hunter and the show because she wanted outs and the ability to do other things and they weren't keen on giving it to her because it would disrupt story arcs (which eventually led to them killing off Taylor in 2002 and then asking Hunter back yet again in 2004). I actually think part of the reason Brooke and Thorne ended so abruptly is because the show thought Hunter was going to leave (she was ONLY agreeing to sign 6 month contract extensions in 2001).

But for me the prime of that triangle was actually 1993 from Ridge choosing Taylor which led to Brooke's bitterness and taking the company and then when James was introduced. 1993 was the best year of the show for several reasons- it was the only time Bold reached its potential IMO (and its unfortunate that it was really short lived).

I will forever lament the fact that Bill Bell turned it over and Hunter left because they were setting up some interesting dynamics and IMO a stale story (we had already seen a lot of it with Caroline/Ridge/Brooke) had some new life breathed ino it. Also the writing was just SO MUCH SMARTER and all four actors really took to it. 

We got some interesting scenes between Ridge and Sheila

I also preferred James in 1993 more than later years when I felt he had less of a backbone and became a little too preachy.

And Stephanie, Jack, Sheila and Eric were weaved into the story well since the fate of Taylor/Ridge/Brooke also had a HUGE effect on Forrester Creations so the stakes felt higher

Brooke arriving to a Forrester dinner with James and conflict starting between Taylor and Stephanie 

Brooke and Taylor arguing over what happened in Big Bear

If you watch the scenes leading up to Taylor's death and then the scenes when she wakes up in Morocco, the quality in the writing (and frankly the overall look of the show) is like night and day. Just such a steep decline. I enjoyed the Morocco story fine but when I go back and watch late 1994 compared to early 1994...it is really obvious that the quality just wasn't the same - it really lacked elegance and care.

Lynn Herring does not get enough credit. She is really a gem who brings so much energy to this show whenever she is on. 

Valentini calls her to the show to do the most random things and she makes it all work and fits in seamlessly. I often think some of the vets don't work well or always seem a little...off when interacting with the newer characters but NEVER Lynn. Put her in a story with Kevin, Laura, Scott and Martin and it works. Put her in an ELQ story with Valentin, Michael, Ned and it works. Put her in a Deception story with Maxie, Sasha and Nina and it works. 

6 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

I'm not seeing the cruelty here.  The actress has a healthy baby at home. 

Trassions played Sheridan losing her child after McKenzie Westmore miscarried. That was cruel but I don't know if the show was in a position to make changes.  

GH made Lynn Herring do this. She was pregnant in real life but they had Lucy miscarry. Lynn said she was really concerned about it though because she was playing this scenes mourning a baby and still pregnant and the doctors were telling her to play songs and talk to the baby because they can hear so she was afraid her unborn child would hear her mourning or something. She talked about it quite a bit in a few interviews back then. 

I watched out of curiosity. KA was fine but I realized I don't care about this show at all anymore. Before Tylo deleted her Twitter, one of her last interactions with fans was her basically saying she had no interest in returning and playing yet another round of that triangle. Hilarious that they are already hinting that is where this is going right out the gate. I don't care that Ridge and Taylor are played by different actors I don't see a thing fresh about 60 year old characters doing the same merry go round they did almost 30 years ago (but again to be fair I just flat out don't like this show). Good luck and Godspeed Krista 

I have no idea why they had her wear that ugly and cheap looking wig, it was a mess. 

I talked to Nikki N. She said PROMISES that she will put the remaining 1993/1994 episodes up after Christmas. She asked me to have someone remind her where she stopped? Was it before James and Taylor at Big Bear?

Also I was scrolling this thread and saw there might be an issue with the vault? 

On 7/27/2021 at 2:14 PM, FrenchBug82 said:

Indeed. Which makes Phyllis look dumb and hysterical but most importantly completely voids the entire storyline of any emotional investment.
Why do they expect the audience to care or be particularly angry at Sally? It was a sneaky way to get out of town but it was enough of a great opportunity that Summer CHOSE to take it despite having reasons to stay in town.
Fact it came from parties with an agenda is irrelevant. So why are the writers thinking this is somehow a high-stakes conflict?

This is exactly my issue. The stakes are so low they're below the ground. Who cares? What exactly is the endgame supposed to be that we're anxious to see?

Hey everyone,

Sorry it's been forever and I've missed a zillion emails from Nikki. Do you guys still need the rest of 1994 until Taylor "dies?" I think it stopped at James and Taylor trapped in Big Bear? If so Nikki will do them this week and put them in the vault. 

This show continues to be disappointing and look poor. 

Why the hell are all of these business meetings happening in a hotel room beside a bed? 

16 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

The “fight” scenes at the end had me rolling!!  

17 hours ago, John said:

Did Nina actually tell him that Willow is not his Mom. All I remember seeing is Nina telling him, Im not your Mom's Mom

 

I still wont be shocked if both are Nina's daughters, twins

That is all we saw. 

All of this "what Nina did was SO wrong" stuff is melodramatic. All she said was "I'm not your mom's mom, thats not how we're related." Plus she apologized profusely to both that bullying banshee Carly and her wimpy son Michael. The kid is 2. He's not damaged for the rest of his life AND considering Carly's history with Michael and AJ she should be the last one lecturing someone on "confusing children." 

It would be one thing if Nina did it intentionally or maliciously but it didm't play that way at all and she was genuinely sorry so the overreaction was absurd. 

Maybe Nina should hang Michael on a meathook and they'd be more understanding 

This show had Summer find out Kyle had a child and he had been lying to her and Summer forgive him all in the same episode?

Where is the drama? Seriously, who writes this way? 

4 hours ago, Ponds said:

Well, Nina doesn't get any sympathy from me after telling a 2 year old that the only mother he's known is not his real mother.  You have to root for Carly on this one.

Ehh, no I still root for Nina over Carly in this scenario. Though most of the time I root for anyone over Carly's loud and obnoxious behind. 

I only watch this show sporadically cause it stinks but is Phyllis basically a bartender or waitress now? Every time I see the show she is behind the bar serving drinks. What an odd turn for that character. 

I guess JG likes her being comic relief and nothing more but really....

Also can anyone explain to me why this show LOOKS so bad? Like why are all the sets small? The only part of Jabot we see is that tiny boardroom, all we see at Newman is Victor's office, half the cast lives in a hotel room, and most of the other scenes either take place in the lobby of that hotel where Phyllis bartends, that other place where Lola works and the coffeehouse.

I get budgets are being cut but GH does not look nearly this bad. In fact GH looks downright plush compared to Y&R these days (even with GH's sets being way too dark)

LOL!!!!!!!

I actually do think early Bold was kind of bad. I mean the first year or two were rough but Bill admitted he didn't really have a plan - it was rushed and felt that way, he was kind of copying character and story from Y&R. Eventually it found its groove but even after its premiere I have articles where most soap mags called it basically enjoyable trash.

I've always felt watching Bold, even when I enjoyed it, it was obvious Bell wasn't very passionate about the show and it was never going to be one of the great soaps. It would sometimes have great moments but it would never reach the highs that Y&R, GH, ATWT, AW and GL did.

Even if Thudley hadn't made it as awful as it is I have a hard time believing that in the end Bold wouldn't have just be seen as the "not nearly as good" little brother to Y&R and a soap who has Y&R to thank for its ratings (which was kind of proven true during the pandemic when Bold returned without Y&R and their ratings were in the toilet until Y&R came back)

What does Nick even do? Does he have a job? What does Phyllis do?  Do either of them have homes? They seem to spend all their time in the lobby of that dumb hotel talking about Summer and Kyle or Victoria and repetitive flirting. Neither seems to have much of a purpose anymore. No significant jobs, no rivalries, no friends, no homes, nothing resembling a story. 

32 minutes ago, ChickenNuggetz92 said:

 

Damn, you beat me to it! I saw the title of this thread and immediately thought of that scene LOL. MS as Phyllis during MAB's run was pretty much insufferable ("MY HUSBAND, MY HUSBAND!" or basically her stammering the same lines on repeat). MSPhyllis now isn't nearly as irritating as she was back in 2012, but I credit that to the writing, or lack thereof. My only criticism of her Phyllis now is that she is constantly portraying her as if she had just done 10 shots of tequila straight right before getting on set . 

 

God I miss Gina Tognoni. She knew when to ham it up and when to be subtle.

 

On Y&R: Pretty much anything Brenda Dickson did on the tail end of her run. It's fun to watch but the acting style definitely didn't age well.

 

On B&B: Shoutout to KKL when she had to deliver the "I FRIGGIN FORBID IT!" with such conviction in 2008.

 

On GH: Grayson McCouch's version of Agent Kyle Sloane. MW as Ava can also ham it up sometimes but I personally find it endearing to the character.

OMG, I forgot qbout Grayson's run on GH. Every scene of his was hilarious because he would overdramatize even the most mundane dialogue. 

Honestly? 

Slam me if you must but most Susan Flannery performances after like 1997.

Talented as heck but man did I hate the ultraviolent ridiculous cartoon villain they turned Stephanie into. All subtletly was out the window in favor of screaming, yelling, punching, etc. 

The worst was Phyllis on Y&R when she lost that Phick kid. I don't know what MS was doing (and she goes OTT more often than not) but that miscarriage of "blueberry" was so horrible and such ridiculous scenery chewing. 

2002 was the end of it being at least generally watchable.

But if I am being honest I actually think the last time it was good was in early 94 maybe?

This show has flat out stunk for so long though. Well over 15 years of it being as close to atrocious as it gets. There might be a decent spot here and there like the Avants but this show has been pretry horrific for well over a decade.  

Nikki added more February and March 1994 episodes at some point yesterday

From Nikki:

I added the following Y&R episodes to the vault. Hopefully they aren't duplicates of what's already in there but it's hard to tell because I'm an idiot and didn't label anything.

Here is what was added:

1984 episode (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

1988 episode (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

4 1994 episodes (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

2 1992 episodes (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

From Nikki:

I have had some people ask about YR 2004 episodes to see Joan Van Ark so I am adding what I have to the vault and I actually know the dates of a lot of them.

Was Barbados when Lauren was trying to seduce Ridge and Brooke was running around with that doll?

Cause that story was atrocious lol. I think it legit was voted worst story of the year in SOD that year lol.