Eric83

I don't think the show even finished in the top 80 for its last season.

This is what I read on Wikipedia

Season 1: #2

Season 2: #3

Season 3: #4

Season 4: #4

Season 5: #17

Season 6: #86

You asserted that almost every time white people appeared on the show that they were presented as racist.

FALSE.

You asserted that the show was "preachy" in 5 & 6 in comparison to other seasons.

FALSE.

You asserted that the election was always mentioned in season 6 when it was only mentioned in maybe THREE episodes.

FALSE.

You asserted that whites were portrayed as "racist, ignorant, and evil" & that the show was "pushing an agenda that whites are horrible people with no respect for blacks."

Both FALSE.

You're still projecting.

Yes.

You did

Your assertions didn't become "opinions" until you were presented with evidence to the contrary that you couldn't dispute.

Just because you change your assertions to "opinions" doesn't make you any less wrong.

You're welcome to dispute the presented facts until then you're just wrong.

No.

You made assertions you can't dispute when presented with FACTS which clearly prove otherwise.

That's not an opinion.

That's being wrong.

Whatever. I'm done. You can think whatever you want.

A Different World was moved to Friday's during its last season, the only season it aired without The Cosby Show. I think the new day and time hurt it more than anything else, plus the show had been decreasing by some time by that point.

In its last season The Cosby Show finished 18th for the season, in that same season, A Different World finished one place higher at 17th place.

It was moved to Thursdays at 8pm in its last season. It flopped, and they tried to move it back to 8:30pm until they finally canned in January 1993.

They aired the series finale in May on a Friday Night, and then burned the rest if the leftover episodes on Friday Nights during the summer of 1993.

I got this info from here: Link

That last season just feel alien, the show wasn't the same anymore and it wasn't getting any better. It was time to end it.

I never cared for Charmaine and Lance, and I hated the hip-hop opening credits, ugh. It was like Bill started to pay attention to the "haters" who said the show was too "stogy" and "unrealistic" and started to change the tone of the overall show.

It's pretty sad when Olivia and Pam were the stars of that last season...

No doubt. Everything about that last season was just akward. It was just the show's time to end. Television was getting edgier, and The Cosby Show couldn't keep up. It ended at the right time, thank god Bill Cosby ended it when he did. It would have only gotten worse....

Too bad that A Different World suffered without it though. Just think of how many critics they proved right when they floundered without their Cosby lead in.

LMAO. This opening is hilariously cheesy.

Yes, that last season revolved TOO MUCH around Olivia and Pam, UGH! They weren't even real Huxtables, no one cared. I think Bill picked the right time to end that show.

Pam sucked. But if it wasn't for her we wouldn't have gotten Charmaine and Lance. Who I loved.

No.

Until you are able to dispute the FACTS it's not a "difference of opinion".

You're just wrong.

What facts am I supposed to present? I wasn't in the room, while they were shooting out at ideas so I have no ideaa if they were purposely writing whites as racist. I never claimed anything I said was fact, just how I felt. Just becuase you showed me some supposed facts, doesn't mean I'm going to change my opinion.

Everything I have said about this subject in this thread has been an OPINION.

No.

It's NOT a difference of opinions.

You made incorrect assertions & were proved factually wrong in every instance.

So because you don't agree with what I said, my opinion is incorrect?

Maybe they weren't painting whites as racist all the time, but I still felt that show was preachy at times, and you felt they were being topical. That's our opinions END OF STORY.

LOVE this episode!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSu2MhNmr8s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lipsj9VPYc

Had Lisa Bonet stayed there would have been no Kim, Freddie, or character expansion for Ron. It would have been all about Denise. They were forced to turn it into an ensemble show after she left.

Ooh, another character I loved was Debbie Allen as the therapist! "Relax! Relate! Release!" The best is when she was getting into Whitley's story and she straightened her wig!

LOL! I loved Relax! Relate! Release!

Remember that Season 2 episode where Freddie got drunk.

I loved that crush she had on Dwayne that season, it was so cute.

Do you remember when Ja'Net DuBois (Willona, "Good Times") guest starred and had the hots for Mr. Gaines? Excuse me, Vernon.

I don't remember that one. Which episode was it?

I also loved the Whitley/Dwayne/Kinu triangle. It was full of LOL moments.

Does anyone remember when En Vogue appeared as Mr. Gaines' quiet, church going nieces? Love that episode too.

And well I did like Ron/Freddie I hated that they ended up together at the end. I always thought it would be Ron/Kim, but she ended getting engaged to some random nobody, whose name I can't even remember.

Did they ever have any plans to put Erika Alexander on ADW? I liked her a lot on The Cosby Show, although I know some didn't. She seemed like she might have fit in on ADW.

At least she got to play that hilarious role on Living Single.

I don't think so. They did plan on bringing Charmaine's boyfriend Lance to ADW. The actor's name escapes me right now, but he turned down the offer to pursue a movie career.

Charmaine and Lance appeared in a Season 5 episode as well. I guess it was to test out how they work on the show the next year.

Which is a reality & didn't happen in the last season.

Also a reality, didn't happen in the last season & was counterbalanced by Ernie Sabella's character.

Again a reality & counterbalanced by Tom/Roseanne & the homeless guy.

Which is "anti white how?

Never mind. I never said they were only preachy and showing racist whites in the last season anyway. Just about everytime a white person was brought on, it was just to show how racist they were, but we should just agree to disagree.

And I also never said the show was anti-white, I said that I felt like they were painting a picture of blacks being opressed upon by whites all the time. (pro black, anti white) Which may be the case, but not every white person is racist.

I am not a racist, that is just how I feel. Nothing was wrong with the show putting a spotlight on the struggles in the black community, but this was a sitcom not the evening news.

You see it your way, and I see it mine. I really don't feel like continuing to debate this. All in all, I still love the show, and will respect it for what it tried to do, by having these social issue episodes.

Kim's dad getting shot?

Whitley being robbed at Christmas?

Josie having HIV?

Novian being homeless?

Kim's pregnancy scare?

Them almost getting killed at the beach?

Freddie almost being raped?

Ron not graduating?

Kim turning down her scholarship?

Zelmer going to war?

Frank being injured in war?

Kim & Matthew?

Alex's adoption?

Brad being a token?

Kim passing out?

ALL 2-4.

I still stand by what I said that in Season 5 & 6 they were preachy throwing social issues at us almost every week. Some of these examples aren't even doom and gloom/social issues.

maybe for a minute. I remember them briefly dating when they lived in that apartment building with Jaleesa and Dwayne

Who else LOVED Jada Pinkett's character, Lena? She really helped revitalize the show in the 5th season. I loved her relationship with Whitley and those two were fun togetehr

Hated seson 6 Lena but she was ok in season 5. I did like those episodes where she was making chili from her dorm room, and it set off a fire and when her friends from Baltimore came to visit.

Her relationship with Dorian was SO dull.

Did anyone else want Ron/Whitley at one point?

I sure did.

I dont get how Jalessa at 26 could be roommates with 2 freshmen. Im 26 and cant even imagine myself living in a dorm. Plus she had already been married at that point. What a downgrade

Didnt she say something about wanting to get the college experience she never had? Which included living in dorms? Havent seen the first season in a LONG time.

Such as?

The racist store clerk in the episode Whitley went to go buy a present for her dad's birthday party.

The white men that Dwayne and Ron got into a fight with in the parking lot of the football game.

The white women who were looting during the LA riots, and were making remarks about blacks bringing it on themselves.

When Charmaine and Terel got ran down people automatically assumed it was whites until Charmaine told them it was a rainbow coalition of idiots.

Those are the only ones I can think of since I haven't watched most of the show in nearly 5 years.

On the subject of being topical and preachy being two different things I beg to differ. They kept referencing the 92 election, which isnt a bad thing but this was a sitcom. I dont think we need to be told the importance of voting over and over again. Dwayne mentoring the two gang members was just corny and too much, never cared for that episode. They put alot of emphasis on the struggles of the black community, which was a very good thing, but they came at us with it episode after episode. I preferred the style of Season 2-4 where we would have episodes like that, but everything wasnt so doom and gloom. It was never anything that bothered me as a child, just something I noticed as an adult. I respect your opinion though.

What was the name of that girl who was Whitley's sidekick in Season 1? I have totally forgot.

Gina: Oh win da sainnnnts, Go marchin' eeeenn, Go marchin' eeeenn, Not OUT but eeeenn, oh right on eeeenn!!

Loved that!

I wish they had developed Gina's character more. She was my fave of the "new generation", but she never really got any episodes to have her character fleshed out.

I absolutely love the episode where she wrote DIGIT HO on a piece of paper and put on Charmaine's back. LOL that episode was good, and when it was revealed that Gina did it wasn't she put on academic probation?

Dean Davenport then said: "If i tell you to jump you better say how high?!"

I wouldn't have minded the new class but the male characters just weren't working for me. I loved Jennifer Lewis as Dean Davenport.

I will always say that Dwayne and Whitley shouldve gotten their own show, and let Kim, Ron, and Freddie stay on A Different World and be that link that connected the past and present. It may have flopped just the same, but it was a worth a try.

So?

That was LENA's opinion.

The episode also acknowledged both Freddie's Mom & Brad's ex-wife were white without any negativity.

That isn't the only example. Most of the time they portrayed whites as racist, ignorant, and evil which seemed to me as they were pushing an agenda that whites are horrible people with no respect for blacks. While I had no major problems with it, I just seemed like they were overdoing it. I enjoyed most of the episodes where they taught us a lesson, but the show got too preachy. In season 6 they dealt with the LA riots, the 92 election, Whitley working at a school with underpriviliged kids, Dwayne mentoring two gang members, Lena's friends visiting Hillman and accusing her of selling out, Terel bringing a gun to school after someone ran him and Charmaine down, Gina's abusive boyfriend returning, etc. It was just too much, but as a whole Season 6 is one of the better seasons.

I think the only white people who weren't racist were Maggie and Freddie's cousin Matthew (?).

I also liked that episode where Billy Dee Williams guest starred. It was at the end of season 6 so it was only a one time thing. It would have been cool if he had became a recurring character and was integrated into the Hillman campus as a professor or something.

Did Cree Summer join the show because she was BFF's with Lisa Bonet? I know Bonet was off the show by the time Cree joined, but I wonder if Lisa put in a word for her.

I know she annoyed many, but Freddie was my favourite character. I loved how she stayed true to her convictions and never backed down. She was unique and proud of it.

Does anyone remember the Mammy episode where Kim was the only one offended because she was teased as a child for looking like a mammy?

I love that Mammy episode one of my favorites. The best scene is when she breaks down and told Mr. Gaines the whole story.

This is also the episode where Whitley found out her family owned slaves. She tried to call one of the descendants of her familys slaves and they hung up.

I dunno, I think the show was always very good at taking characters down a notch when they got too extreme, like Carl's earlier example with Shazza. Even the racism ep I mentioned earlier tried to be fair and balanced, I mean, the black boys weren't racist like the white boys were which automatically gave them the leg up in the ep, but the show pointed out how Ron's ethnic jokes for example (white men being bad at sports) inflamed the situation. And having Ernie Sabella's character, the good ol' southern sheriff, married to a black woman only further drove home the point that young black males can't automatically assume that the white man is out to get them, that the actions of the authorities can in fact be motivated by the law and not personal prejudices.

I just rewatched the episodes where Dwayne and Whitley tell everyone about their honeymoon in LA during the riots and some of those comments were totally eyeroll worthy.

Lena said something along the lines that the problem is white people who don't understand and dont want to understand blacks. And that black people should have their own nation. The show overdid it with the preachiness ESPECIALLY in season 6.

Jaleesa had the baby while the results from Byron's election were coming in.

I loved that hurricane episode though and the ones where Phylicia Rashad guest starred.

As far as I'm concerned, this show should have ended in the 5th season finale, where Dwayne stormed Whitley's wedding and told her he loved her and they unexpectedly ended up marrying.

The last season was hard to watch. The characters seemed lost and the main group was being phased out for the new college kids.

I didnt mind because they had to keep the focus on Hillman, but the new characters sucked and the show just began to push this anti white, pro black agenda that also think turned alot of people off.

Anyone else find the Season 6 theme as their fave? All my friends who watch said they hated it lol.

Was anyone else annoyed by how they threw Jaleesa and Col. Taylor together? That relationship was so forced, the character of Jaleesa should have just disappeared after Season 3 when she graduated.