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Hey, I agree, but apparently this was Marland's ultimate plan. Remember that Lisa became kind of his muse and he went to a lot of trouble to showcase her talents (the elaborate fantasy scenes, to the point where she even did musical numbers) and to redeem Nola from the manipulative villainess she started out as. So I don't think it's that unbelievable that he eventually wanted her with his male muse. Personally, I think she would have been brought down even more by seriously pairing her with Kelly than with Quint, but we'll never know how he meant to play it out.

For some reason GL was into gothic storylines at the time. Gothic novels were super-popular back then. (I had a friend who kept trying to force me to read them). The previous one was the Lucille Wexler/Amanda story. That ended with Lucille's death. The Quint story was meant to replace that. Quint was originally this super-mysterious, almost creepy guy who live in a creepy house. Like in all good gothic tomes, Nola was the "innocent" who went to work for the creepy guy and ends up falling in love with him. Maybe they were going to do a twist on the story because Marland said Kelly and Nola were his endgame. Maybe Quint was going to be the villain or spoiler for them. But of course what happened is Quint and Nola caught on. Maybe Quint was always meant to be a Chamberlain, but a more villainous one.

I think that's true. She eventually created her own ethnic/blue collar family. I still say a great opportunity was missed by not having the Coopers and Reardons being connected as old schoolmates and neighbors. Some interesting backstories could have been used to create new stories. But we're supposed to believe Buzz was involved with Alan, Billy, Josh, and Ed when he was young. 🙄

Oh, yeah, I forgot he was on AMC around that time! I don't know, though. Phillip and Alan sharing another woman? Ew. (She wouldn't have been the last one, either).

He was tangentially involved in the Dreaming Death story. And they had him and Nola involved with that genius kid for a while. Both very blah stories.

That was a major problem for soaps that introduced these kinds of non-soap-like characters. What do you do with them once their initial story runs out? One day they wake up and they're living in some podunk town with nothing to do because they've settled down and married and maybe had a baby and can't go on adventures anymore. GH sort of solved that by making their adventure characters cops. But I can't see Quint as a cop, and anyway GL had more than enough by the 90s. Didn't they make him a teacher for a while? But for some reason teachers never work on soap operas, unless you set the whole soap in a school, Degrassi-style. I suppose they could have involved him in business through Henry and Vanessa. He was a Spaulding stockholder but then he got rid of his stock, IIRC. Yeah, the minute he and Nola married, the clock was ticking on his character. I hate to say this, but they probably should have killed Quint off soon after he and Nola married. That would have freed Nola and opened up many new storyline possibilities for her. Then the show would not have lost Lisa Brown. But who knows if Kobe & Co. were interested in retaining her?

I don't remember much of the particulars about HER interview with the Locher Room, but I do remember getting the impression that she had been very, very unhappy working on GL. She seemed almost...mad. Yes, and VI did say that, which was great for the convenience of his family, but not so great for casting a part on a show. I only vaguely remember Teresa Blake on AMC, but from what I DO remember, she was a little over-the-top for my taste. Though maybe she would have reigned it in a little to play Annie.

I'm pretty sure she started around March 1980? I would guess she wasn't included but JWS and Kristen were because Kelly and Morgan were Marland's plan to be GL's answer to Scottie/Laura from GH. They were major with a major planned storyline. He didn't seem to have a major storyline in mind for Maeve--besides tormenting Ross and vamping most of the men in town. For a sort-off villainous character, Vanessa was very reactive when Marland wrote her. She went after Ross because she couldn't imagine him really being interested in Evie. She became enemies with Quint and Nola because she couldn't stand the idea of not being Daddy's only child. I've never understood why, when he had this FABULOUS actress, playing someone who had all the makings of a FABULOUS character, he never gave her a strong storyline with a strong throughline.

I was wondering the same thing! I wonder if the artist was given any instructions on who to include and who gets featured or if it was all at his or her discretion. Lenore on the top-that makes sense, she was one of the big stars of the show at this point. They mention the Emmy win and she was heavily featured in that episode. But Maureen was literally on the way out the door, she left a few months later. It's not Marsha Clark's inclusion that I'm puzzled about (I mean, Hillary's a Bauer), it's Lezlie Dalton's, who Marland was already in the process of writing out of the show. Why are she and Janet (Evie) there and not Elvera? (And why isn't her name on the list?) There's even an empty space between Jerry and Stephen Yates where they could have put her drawing. It looks a little off. Now I'm wondering if they were considering getting rid of her at this point. She and Chris were their major couple at the time (with JWS and Kristen as the young love couple) it just seems bizarre she's not there. Which reminds me--why is Lisa Brown not there? Maybe she was still considered relatively minor and hadn't broken out yet. Also weird is that they list Charita's name but don't include her in the drawing. Ageism, maybe? Don and Mart are small and off to the side (I bet Don hated this ad, LOL). And, yeah, why did they make Jerry look like a serial killer? 😂

I was watching a couple of the late 1982 episodes on the German channel. What I really like that PFS did was have Alan go back to being Alan. They were setting up bringing back Phillip and Rick (who was still Freddie). Phillip got into trouble at his private school. Justin thought he had handled it, then Alan sneaks behind Justin's back and goes to talk to the headmaster and bribes him so he can lessen Phillip's punishment. Then he's telling Hope he wants to go back to the mansion for the holidays and pretending it's ONLY for holidays, because God forbid they squeeze Phillip into their cute little cottage. And Hope is like, "Oh, but I love our little house and I'm used to it." Honey, you ain't never going back to that house. At the same time he's being super attentive and promising to buy her beautiful jewels for Christmas, etc. PFS got rid of all that redemption, "I'm going to wear sackcloth and ashes forever to atone for my sins" crap. He was back to lying to Hope, placating her with promises of beautiful gifts, lying to Justin, using his money to manipulate and get what he wants. I REALLY wish PFS had stayed, because instead having Alan decide out of the blue to treat Hope like she was some stranger who broke into his house, she was setting up all these little fissures and cracks that would eventually make marriage collapse. That would have been a good story. I don't know what she pitched to the network/sponsor but seems to me this would have been an ideal time to bring back Rita. I liked that Long gave a decent storyline to Trish, but it was really difficult to buy that Alan was ready to replace Hope with someone so much like her. Pretty blonds who were rather passive and had daddy issues, both alcoholics--they could have been twins. The algorithm hates us! 😂

I wish it was JUST a snore. For some reason, several times when an episode of GL I hadn't seen popped up in my YouTube TL, it would invariably have a scene of RR in bed with Tangie, Claire, whoever. And each time, I'm thinking, "Does algorithm REALLY think I want to see this?" That's an interesting thought. I always assumed they made Meredith Fletcher's sister just so he could have some family on the show. I have always been an advocate for bringing in the missing Reardon sister. To me, Chelsea is the faux Reardon sister, who took Nola's position of the baby away from her, with her very prominent Southern accent, and her name that's all wrong for that family. She had the right look to be a Reardon but nothing else fit. They should have made her a cousin who grew up in the South.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that! Not every real-life couple has the magic that translates on screen. It's strange they didn't catch on to that really quickly. Unless they were just trying to keep Bryggman happy. I was just thinking if they had brought her in during the mid-90s to play Hope and put her with Raines==WOW, that would have been a total snore fest. It would have made me want them to put him back with Reva. 😂

Ooooh, this is interesting. Anybody know what the rejected storylines were?

I thought about her for Hope, too, but now that I'm remembering her on ATWT, I have second thoughts. She got some really heavy storylines on ATWT. Some actors who seem mediocre rise to the occassion when they get meaty material. She never did. I could never could understand why she was so favored by the writers. So unless they wanted to keep Hope as a simple, sweet character, she would not have worked. I would have wanted a more grown-up, stronger, and more complex Hope if she had returned. Considering how many people from Texas came on GL, I would say Kobe probably preferred to work with Long. Long did some good things, but she was fairly new at soap writing (not always a bad thing). You would think they would have wanted to keep a more seasoned writer like PFS, especially since GL was a show that had recently won Emmys. But Kobe didn't seem to care about things like that, she seemed to want to go her own way and screw anyone who didn't like it.

I could see Coster as Alan. Other people have mentioned him as a good possibility for Alan. He could do the patrician thing. I like Dan Hamilton for Mike. He was on GL twice (the last time was as the prosecutor during the Infinity trial, I believe). He usually played bad guys but he could have played an upstanding lawyer. Ed's a lot tougher to cast, IMO. He's the good guy who has battled demons in the past. They should have begged Mart to come back. She wrote the show for 13 weeks after Marland left, and I really wish she could have stayed. She was the one who started laying down the groundwork for Alan and Hope's eventual breakup, and it was much more gradual an believable than the way Kobe and Long did it (because they were in a hurry to push Roussel off the show). I would totally have been for it if she had come back to write the show.

I can totally understand Alex being drawn in by Roger. At heart, Roger was a grifter. He took advantage of her one major weakness: loneliness. Since Locke Walls, I guess, she hadn't had a successful love relationship. Her brother was gone, (a brother who might have been able to convince her that Roger's intentions were not "honorable"), her son was gone, she needed love and he was offering that. If she could be fooled by Simon, she certainly could be fooled by Roger. Was that the piano guy? He played a pianist in something. He was BADLY miscast in that role. They needed someone with a lot more charisma for that one. Maybe the reason he did so well on SFT is he was working opposite his future wife. They had a lot of onscreen chemistry. He also worked with an extremely young Morgan Fairchild and had a strong storyline where he was an alcoholic torn between a neurotic narcissist and his true love who had no desire to ever have children. Some actors just don't do well playing characters who don't have intense storylines. I didn't mind her that much, it was the whole Michelle and Danny "thing" that I hated. There's nothing worse than when they push a couple because some vocal fans get, well, vocal.

I'm also shocked that Phillip KILLED his Uncle Ross? How do you sabatoge a plane and think anyone is going to survive it? WTH? I'm beginning to think cancelling the show was a mercy killing now. When you're doing dumb stuff like this, it's time to hang it up. I would be for this. Give Stacy Nola's energy. Maybe have the story kind of mirror Kelly/Nola (without the desire to trap Rick with a pregnancy). A lively woman with a staid guy...like in the old screwball comedies. Write to MOL's comic talents (and reign him in a little bit so it's not just pointless mugging). I actually thought of RVV as "the fake Ed." Or, "Dr. Chuck Tyler, who took a wrong turn into Springfield." I really think PS would have been less of a drag if they had written some decent stories for Ed. For instance, if they had done a better job with the fallout from Mo's death--have him go back to drinking, for one thing. And wouldn't that have been a PERFECT time to bring back Hope? To help her uncle get back on the wagon. But, no. It was just, "Mo's dead, whatever." So many missed opportunities...

Well, there you go. When you make a show called The Young and the Restless and fill it up with young and restless actors, they are probably going to take off sooner rather than later. I never heard this before, but it doesn't really surprise me. It looks like they wanted to make the Lewis family the major family--doing what OLTL did with the Buchanans. Dallas was the big thing at the time, there were suddenly a lot of Southern/Southwestern families pouring into soaps. They weren't going to get rid of the Spauldings because they were their Dynasty-type family. Even though a lot of soaps were doing something similar at the time, someone should have reigned Kobe in. I do not count them. 😂

Both Hope and Mike should have been brought back. Maybe they got the idea for eviserating the Bauers from watching Bill Bell successfully (eventually) almost totally replacing his initial core families. GH also sank many of their original core characters and went on to be a huge hit. They didn't get rid of them, but pushed most of them way into the background. But I think in Y&R's case it was a little different because the show hadn't been on the air that long, comparitively speaking. Maybe it would have made sense to phase out the Bauers if they didn't still have ties on the show, but they did. A lot of history tied to the Spauldings and Roger Thorpe. It's kind of wild that Ed became Alan's enemy when his real nemesis was Mike. It's insane that Hope wasn't there for her grandmother's illness and memorial, and wasn't there for her son's weddings. Bringing Hope back had so much potential. Was she going to be stronger, more confident, less vulnerable to Alan? Or still the sad sack who couldn't control her drinking? Or something in between? Maybe she could have taken her grandmother's place at the hospital. There were so many things they could have done with her character. I'm guessing they kept Ed and Rick around to placate veteran viewers. Yeah, we still have Bauers, we still mention Bert now and then, what else do you want from us?

Do you know how to get a transcript? I'd like to read the whole thing, too.

I think that is absolutely correct. Bill Bell did not listen to the noise. He did what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it. It worked out pretty well for him. I watched a few episodes recently and was really shocked at how awful it is now. But it still has a loyal audience and a cross-over would probably help out BTG. That's the old-fashioned way of writing soaps. Harding Lemay mentioned in his memoir that that's how Irna Phillips taught him how to write a soap opera. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways. It makes sense to have plot lines in its beginning stages, some at the middle phase, and at least one heading soon towards its resolution. Obviously, this is one of the challanges of starting a new soap opera where all or most of the storylines are starting on Day One. But BTG has been on over a year, it should be settling into that kind of rhythm by now.

Oh, man, I HATED her back in 1983 when they purged the cast. I thought it was all her fault. Now, hearing more of what was going on BTS, I realize she didn't have a lot of say in some of those things. And, honestly, I think she did a pretty good job with what they made her do.

Was it Long who wanted that? I don't think so. She never worked with either Michael or Lenore, they were long gone by the time she started writing for GL (MG, too, to be fair). I'm guessing this was a higher-up decision. She talked in interviews as if she was kind of blindsided by Zaslow coming back as Roger. I really don't think she would have said, "Hey, let's get the guy who played Roger to come back and play Alan." (Honestly, I think she was way too intelligent to come up with a nutty idea like that; it totally sounds like the kind of idea some empty corporate suit would come up with). Yeah, that would have been great, and it seems that might have been in the works when Bernau returned in '86. They didn't need Zaslow to play Alan. It would have been a disaster, IMO. There were other actors. They could have found another known soap actor or looked outside of soaps. But possibly because of all the sensitivity over Bernau's exit/death, they wanted to avoid a big, public search. I don't know why they thought they had to wait FIVE YEARS, but a short wait was not uncalled for.

I've heard that, too. I'm not sure why she would pick that particular moment to bring Rita back, especially since Alan was on his way out for five years. True, Rita has a history with Roger, but she was another one of his victims. If Long's plan was to create a triangle with Holly/Roger/Rita (or even a quadrangle with Ed--which would have squeezed Mo out even earlier), I'm glad Lenore turned them down.

That's a good question. I personally would NEVER have thought of Zimmer for Reva because of what I'd seen of her before, as Nola Dancy and Bonnie the Terrorist on OLTL. (I gotta say, she made a big impression in the brief role on OLTL). I don't really remember the other role she did on OLTL. If you're going by someone who played the same TYPE of character, maybe Kristen Meadows who played Mimi on One Life to Live. She was never a major character on that show and kind of floated in and out of it so she might have been available.