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18 minutes ago, amybrickwallace said:
I didn't see the show originally (just through SoapNet and YouTube), but I wonder how the audience back then would have taken it had RH gone all out and paired Jack and Siobhan. That could have driven story for years!!
i, for one, would have loved it!
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20 minutes ago, Nicholas Blair said:
By the way, LaGuardia's book is now selling for $768. Wonder if I still have my old copy?
just checked amazon, that price if for a mass market paperback, whatever the hell that is. used paperbacks ‘very good condition’ are going for $7.38, which is about what i paid 10 years ago. and while t’s a great (perhaps even invaluable:) resource, but no way i’d more than $100
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1 hour ago, danfling said:
The show (Peyton Place) had originally been envisioned as an anthology series about the various citizens of the town. Irna Phillips thought that it should have been a serial and persuaded Paul Monash as much. Robert J. Shaw, the co-writer of Our Private World, was a frequent writer of Peyton Place episodes (particularly during the first season).
according to his emmy legends interview, when douglas cramer (who had been a supervising producer@atwt) came to new program development @ abc, he approached irna phillips about creating a nightly drama series. pgp said no and cramer turned to ‘peyton place.,’ hoping irna would write the serial. but abc wanted monash, who had written a well-received episode of ‘the untouchables.’
monash hated the idea of pp as a soap; it was he who called it ‘a high class anthology drama.’ since monash had no idea how to serialize a story, cramer brought irna on as a consultant. reportedly, the relationship between irna and monash was, shall we say, less than collegial.
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1 hour ago, Vee said:
Locher's first loyalty is to the parent companies, even after all these years, which I can comprehend but don't accept. He did PR for these soaps in their dying days, and many diehard fans recognize that. I don't think his former employment should preclude letting these actors and creatives be candid.
alan states on his linkedin profile that he’s actively looking for PR work. so, it’s likely more than just loyalty to previous employers; it how what he’s doing now appears to prospective employers. and he may feel that allowing people to badmouth pgp could jeopardize future work.
not at all suggesting that the criticism isn’t justified — just that his perspective and interest differ from fans.
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22 hours ago, John said:22 hours ago, watson71 said:
About 6 weeks- they canceled the show in mid April and had to be done filming by the end of May.
So outside of Carl & Gary thats probably why no other fan faves returned
maybe… i heard from a former soap journalist (and a huge aw fan) that goutman wanted to bring back beverlee mckenzie for the finale, but pgp said no.
figuring that pgp was still smarting from beverlee’s abrupt gl departure a few years earlier. always wondered if incident this played any role in goutman’s behavior when atwt sent off the air.
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1 minute ago, amybrickwallace said:4 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:
Someone will probably 'take one for the team' and give us a summary though.
We should probably chip in to give that poster some Pepto Bismol to get through it.
or maybe an adult beverage or two…
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7 hours ago, te. said:
It's funny how the basic premise of this show mirrors the suggested spin-off for Peyton Place at the time - break out character Betty left for New York after her failed marriage to Rodney and that was supposed to be the show. Of course, it ended up playing out on screen on Peyton Place and Betty returning to the small city, but it makes you wonder if the writers for Our Private World heard about it and decided to take it for themselves. Then again, it's not exactly the most original concept lol
not surprising at all since irna phillips, who wrote ‘our private world,’ was involved in the development of peyton place.
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5 hours ago, ironlion said:
Hunter Tylor is perhaps the saddest example.
with some stiff competition from jackie zeman
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the best of everything — novel
to film
to soap (premiered on the same day as ‘a world apart’
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insightful consideration of micki grant’s impact on theater.
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17 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:
Through the mail autograph success from Lois Smith aka Eleanor Conrad (1975-77):
re lois smith: one of my favorite actresses. check her out in in the wigs series ‘ruth and erica.’
can’t remember where i read it, so i don’t remember the details. but lois smith wasn’t available, so eileen fulton was cast as ‘world turns’ lisa. hard to imagine how that role would have evolved had smith been cast.
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23 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:
Ted had also worked with Irna for years and I'm not sure if their parting was amicable?
So understandably Irna was upset that Bill was leaving a working relationship that was satisfying to her. However, holding a grudge seems petty and short sighted.
if it were only a working relationship that bell was leaving, yes, irna’s grudge would be petty. but, as i noted about, there was also a longstanding personal relationship between bill and irna, so i’ve always felt that puts a different spoon on irna’s grudge.
23 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:He was approached by Ted Corday to take over Days. I don't believe he ever wrote for both shows concurrently. If he did, it would only be to see out a contract.
i had forgotten the details. i just looked at his oral history of television interview, where he talked about ted corday approaching him about days… bell talks about not being able to do 2 shows, days.. and guiding light. but, by that time, he was working with irna on ‘world turns.
have to keep in mind that interview took place in 1998, and it’s pretty clear that bell was already deep into the alziheimer’s that would kill him in 2005. also going to reread ken corday’s memoir to see what he has to say.
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20 minutes ago, allmc2008 said:
I thought Irna wanted Bell at DOOL? Why did she feel betrayed?
she felt betrayed when bill decided he couldn’t continue writing both days… and ‘world turns and chose days…
from then on, she saw him as competition. there’s even a school of thought that she agreed to do ‘love is a many splendored thing’ because it was airing opposite days… and she (and fred silverman) thought liamst would destroy days… in the ratings. when that didn’t happen, irna left the show.
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4 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:
She really could hold a grudge, couldn't she? Yikes.
indeed! but her relationship with bill bell was complicated. unlike agnes nixon, who was in philadelphia and worked with irna from a distance, bell sat at the card table in irna’s living room for almost 10 years. so she likely missed his company.
and over those 10 years, he had provided a lot of support for irna with her children, with whom she had a difficult relationship. i also think irna may have thought of bell as something of a surrogate son.
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it’s been a while since i read ken corday’s memoir, but from what i remember, he said that it was irna who encouraged his father to create his own show. she is credited as a co-creator of days… i know there were some lawsuits filed over this (one, i think by her daughter, after irna’s death). i believe irna’s son is still receiving royalties.
i also recall that when ted was diagnosed with cancer shortly after days… premiered, irna helped to take up the slack. but, when bill bell took over as headwriter after ted’s death, irna took that as a personal betrayal and, according to bell, the two never spoke again.
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59 minutes ago, titan1978 said:
the apocryphal origin of Carly on ATWT has been that she was in Marland’s last storyline bible, but he died before she was introduced and Culliton went forward with the plans. But maybe Culliton created her altogether.
don’t know about marland and carly, but according to the kindle single, as the world stopped turning…
“When As the World Turn’s head writer, Richard Culliton, first pitched the character of Carly Tenney to executive producer Laurence Caso in early 1995, both saw Carly as the troubled girl who would eventually bring the complexity and longevity of Reva Shayne to Oakdale.”
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i did wonder if he had might have bought a paid obituary in the times. one afternoon i was in copley square with some time to kill, so i stopped at the boston public library and looked through the january 1974 ny times on microfiche — found nothing. i suspect someone misread what he had written and it took on a life of its own — one more urban legend.
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On 8/12/2021 at 4:27 PM, Efulton said:
Writing Irma Phillip’s obituary was a classy move
except lemay did not write her obituary, and did not say he did in ‘eight years…’ here’s what he did write:
"Bob Short phoned me the Sunday before Christmas to tell me Irna Phillips had died unexpectedly in her sleep. The news surprised and saddened me for she had seemed indestructible after forty years of creating concurrent worlds of love, divorce, disease, desertion, and illegitimate babies.
I glanced through the New York Times for her obituary for several days but none appeared. Dorothy [Lemay's wife] called the newspaper and informed them that the grand old lady of soap opera had died, a fact that some of their readers might find of interest. A week after her death, a brief obituary appeared but it did scant justice to the woman who almost single-handedly evolved the storytelling form that dominates daytime television screens. I did not get along very well with Irna Phillips, but my admiration of her had grown immeasurably as I fought to win acceptance for my ideas. . . ."
the obituary he referenced was written by the associated press, and indeed, ‘did scant justice…’
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i know that, at least for a while (and i don’t remember exactly when), it was in eileen’s contract that she was last in the credits, and for a time it read just ‘lisa.’
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came across this interesting about the seriality of ‘family.’
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10 hours ago, Soapsuds said:
I hope he discusses his hw stint in 1995 on ATWT and john valente firing of vets
oh yes! he started at atwt in february 1995. in may laurie caso was replaced by john valente. would love to hear what that was like.
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11 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:
Same with an actor complaining about story. When SB told them he hated they were writing Craig as a cartoon, he was right. But do we want actors' opinions to dictate stories? For every time we agree, how many times has an actor come to producers with a stupid idea? I hear the idea that actors know their characters the best and yet they are actors, not writers and they don't always see the big picture. I can see a writer hearing an actor bitch and moan and go "Thanks for your input but no thanks" without being a monster. There is a pretty fair point to make that ign
don’t know that scott was trying to dictate story — just observing what many fans (myself included) felt. as for actors bring story ideas to writers, it can go either way. actors do know their characters best, and it behooves headwriters to at least listen to actors’ thoughts, especially when it comes to character and story continuity.
‘world turns actors used to complain that they brought doug marland a story idea for their characters, he would use it, but for another character — something i can confirm from first hand experience when a story i suggested for margo and tom went to ellie and kirk.
8 hours ago, Vee said:I know I'm not the only one who got a very specific vibe from the way Martha Byrne tiptoed around talking about Goutman last year on the various ATWT reunions.
you are not. i noticed it, as have a few people who mentioned it to me.
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55 minutes ago, Mitch said:
I think Byrne's problem was just at the very end and the contract negotiations ..Bryce was a more layered actor who was used to Marland's work and by the time he got there the network and MADD were all about...cartoon BAD and no depth. I think Byrne got along with him quite well until that time.
I think Goutman did work to keep the vets there..he just didn't know how to use them well. Kim and Bob and Lucinda were used quite well, and to tell you the truth, I would not have given them major story either...but I would not have cut off their family tree like they did, so I would have given their kids the most story and I would have them interact as support with their own robust lives. I think Fulton, sad to say, would not have been happy unless she was LISA...the STAR of ATWT..she was the prototype of Zimmer, bitching if she had a day off back in her hey day. Again, I would have Lisa be a go to for the troubled grey characters of Oakdale, where she would energetically butt into their lives. Again, I think Goutman saw them as adding color and texture to the show, but didn't know how to incorporate them as such. I take a look at Rauch, who actually fought to keep MG, JVD and LK on contract (as soon as he left most were bumped to recurring) but really didn't give them good story when they were there
and then there’s the barbara bloom factor, who arrived at cbs daytime in 2003 and escalated the ‘abcification’ that madd had begun. i’ve heard from a couple of insiders her arrival coincided with goutman’s decline. and, not for nothing, it’s worth noting that both scott and martha were replaced my abc daytime actors.
as for eileen, i agree. she always saw herself as the ‘world turn’s star, even after her star had faded. her marriages all ended in divorce, she had no children. it seems as though her life is made up of ‘world turns and her cabaret act, along with her dogs, which is kind of sad.
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I would LOVE To See This
in DTS: Cancelled Soaps
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would love this! guessing that there were some adult beverages involved in the oltl interviews.
jerry verdorn’s 1996 emmy reel is on youtube, but not his 1995, which is the one i really want to see. there’s a scene between ross and ed the morning of ross and blake’s wedding that is just perfect.