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On 5/26/2021 at 9:38 AM, FrenchBug82 said:
I think they mean that the gap about the style of soap and the kind of writing between AW and SB was larger than, say, between AW and Y&R on one hand, or SB and Days of Our Lives for instance.
Which holds, although obviously thankfully soaps usually have a distinct identity (although late 90s AW's crime/medicine/fantastical-plot-by-an-archvillain formula felt very General Hospital by the end)I think that it has been said before that unfortunately soaps tended to chase each other when one had a successful storyline or type of character others would develop similar hoping lighting struck twice. Sometimes it did, but often it did not. AW was already a pale version of itself by the time it ended, just as today's soaps are pale versions of what they once were.
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Although for the most part I was done with AW by the time they ended, I was never really that invested in the character of Lila. She was no Vicky or Cecile, although I understand having Lisa Peluso was an attempt I am guessing on bringing new eyes to the show. Another "bi$%h that goes from conniving to a heroine is always a good plot line, but I guess I wasn't invested by this point.
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7 hours ago, Xanthe said:
"Love yacht" didn't sound quite right to me -- I think it was a [house]boat that John was living on. And IIRC it wasn't so much that *they* stopped but that John nobly rejected her because he could not betray Michael or something.
I think it was a Houseboat as well, was the Love yacht where Peter and Cecile's Roaring 20's wedding was held?
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15 hours ago, RavenWhitney said:
Thank Goddess Anna Stuart return to the role of Donna. PS was badly miscast.
100% - Anna Stuart fan and Donna Love fan! Can still remember when she returned at the party in the room of mirrors. I do think that PS made the transition from Ice Queen to Victim/Heroine which is what the writers were doing at that time. I get how hard it is to keep a character involved in storylines and sometimes they go astray. Donna was definately a character who for lack of better term "evolved" with almost every writer regime. Sometmes they were unsure what to do with the character. But anytime Anna/Donna walked into a scene it was magic.
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...and it also depends if you genuinely like the person the pranks are fun.
Conversely, pranks and antics by someone you already have a predisposition to and it is extra annoying.
Sounds like Ms. Bev demanded a sense of professionalism around her, although in his Locker Room interview on You Tube John Bolger mentioned his first scene with her and was quite gracious and funny, so I think it just depends.
(I can say in real life some people find me very difficult and demanding and others find me funny, goofy and amusing.) And they are all me.
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On 3/13/2021 at 2:33 PM, j swift said:
Vicky was first revealed the next year in April 1985 in an amazing cliffhanger. Jake came back to the boarding house, and opened the door to find a girl who looked like Marley, but styled as a Madonna wanna-be in a seductive black leather jacket, smoking, and with a sultry lower vocal tone.
I can remember watching that episode having no idea it was coming and like....wholly heck! The dark haunting life at the Love Mansion was my favorite storylines of AW by far.
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16 hours ago, DRW50 said:
I can still remember watching when they introduced Vicky meeting up with Jake and they start kissing and it was like what?!? Had no idea that was coming. A great soap opera surprise. Does anyone remember if there were any hints or leaks that this was coming? Or what storyline shockers really surprised you?
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Donna resonated as Another World was always good with the Upstairs/Downstairs characters and needed that snotty patrician social snob. Nicole as the "party girl model" in the beginning was great, as was the pairing with her working lawyer brother, Peter. However, Peter went from the moral center to a weaker version looking for acceptance from daddy, Nicole changed lives from model to writer/singer/moral center to fashion designer and even Donna went from snob to heroine of a sort. While characters need to evolve, they seemed like they were always chasing a storyline or looking to fit these characters into plot lines by dictating their change. The recasts didn't help the situation. I am huge team Donna in anything and that has been evident in my posts. I guess the good news that through all of this we usually got a good bit of Donna, which is what kept me, at least watching....
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On 9/19/2020 at 2:31 PM, amybrickwallace said:
Yes! She's still gorgeous to this day. ☺
100%
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On 9/15/2020 at 10:53 PM, Neil Johnson said:
It's ridiculous how the writers forgot Cecile's background -- calling her a social climber and a gold-digger. Cecile was more of an aristocrat than anyone in Bay City. She was the daughter of a French count, a French citizen, an heiress, and only moved to the US around 1978. I wonder if anyone ever told Nancy Frangione about the history of the character she was playing? Good Lord.
Cecile was originally the same age as Jamie and Dennis, but when Frangione took over the role, the character aged, even though Jamie did not. Still, I wouldn't say she was in the same age bracket as Donna. Just my opinion.
One of my favorite scenes in AW history. Donna being snarky and eliteist. "Her legs are too short..." :-)
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On 8/13/2020 at 1:54 PM, AbcNbc247 said:
Anna Stuart!!!! She looks great! All of them look great and I loved that she and Kale have maintained a friendship throughout the years! I also loved how Kale mentioned the 4th Vicky! What a great side note. Alicia Coppola's commentary was also hilarious. The best episode of this web interview series. :-)
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6 hours ago, Paul Raven said:
Based on what occurred on AW and soaps in general in the 80's/90's I could see Virginia Dwyer being seen occasionally as Alice's mother, without much recognition that she was once the lead matriach.
Steve/Alice would break up several times as Mac/Rachel did.I'm sure the writers would have had Rachel get involved with Steve again and would have gone further with Mac and Alice involved (possibly married),
That would mean that Rachel/Alice were always at loggerheads .
Iris staying on might have meant a greater role for Dennis. Cecile could be involved . Jamie v Dennis could create conflict.
With Iris around maybe Felicia and Donna may not have been introduced?
Sally may have not been killed off but I can still see it happening as Alice becomes more isolated . Maybe Steve would have along lost child-that was often a go to for long established characters.
Or kill off Russ so his previously unknown child could turn up to be mothered by Alice.
A lot of possibilities...
I don't think we would have seen the Love's as would there be a need for a third wealthy family and not another patriarch like Reginald. And although they had overlapped them later, I don't know that the need for another society snob like Donna would have been created with Iris still front and center.
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On 6/30/2020 at 1:47 PM, Efulton said:
I enjoyed Tomlin and Culliton’s era as well. From late 82 to Feb 85 there was a great balance of the past (Matthews, Corys & Ewings) and the new (Harding/Todds, Loves, Felicia/Cass/Wally & McKinnons). Then it went to hell. As bad as 85 was at least the cast and characters were recognizable. In 86 it was a constant exit of actors.
Would you not say though that by 1985, the dynamic of soaps were changing in a result to be faster, younger and more focused on wealth, glamour and the high life. Even the way characters were introduced became a bigger event. I am not saying it was right, but I think it was indicative of the times. Over the top, was something soaps embraced. An escape. And conversely, if something wasn't working, it was shut down quickly and the writers/producers moved into something new. For long time viewers, that meant jettisoning off characters who mabe they felt did not fit the "new mold". As someone who was young back then, I was Ok with it. But someone who is older now, I see the charm in maintaining legacy characters. I wanted more of the Loves back in the day, but watching You Tube clips now as a middle aged person, I see the charm of Ada, who back in 85, I hit fast forward on my VHS recording to get to Donna.
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Quite a different portrayal than her return in the mid to late 80's.
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I gave up. It was unwatchable. But some of them have been better as far as the audio/connection. Did they mention Anna? I would have loved to have seen her.
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4 hours ago, RavenWhitney said:
There's a reason VW never worked again in daytime. There are stories from many actors that AW was miserable backstage. VW was the only one there throughout all the EP and writer regimes. Think about all the other actors from cancelled soaps who were immediately rehired: Gabet, Malloy, Ann Flood, Joel Crothers, Lois Kibbee. Everyone who talks about Edge has nothing but amazing things to say about the Henry/Erwin years. Has there every been a positive AW backstage story?
Didn't Burton then work on GL for a few years later? Another P&G soap, so he could not have been too bad?
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15 hours ago, denzo30 said:
By the end of 1987 into 1988 AW changed course again and started to write about characters again and not stories. The Frames came back and the Corys were the emphasis. I did not care for the whole Mckinnnon family maybe because they replaced the familes I knew from the 70's
I have to admit I fast forward through a lot that is not Donna centric. I didn't hate the McKinnon's but MJ that was hooker turned cop...ouch... Vince was recast about 4 times, I think. And while I enjoyed Reginald Love, mostly because of his dynamic with Donna and Peter, the Mary KcKinnon/Marissa LaSalle stuff was in my eyes pretty bad.
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So I have been rewatching the 80's. It is now 1985 and the wheels have fallen off. LeSoleil...what the %$^& is that? The chasing of Egyptian and Indian art in Arizona, Taylor Miller as Sally Frame.... The show is just a mess. They are chasing the 80's formula, but very badly. I am guessing soon the revamping of the show is coming where the focus goes to the Loves, the McKinnons and the Cory's. But for now, we have all this bizarre storylines going on....
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Wow that was amazing!
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You are 100% correct. The problem with this lies in the fact that if there is not some "redemption" it is more difficult to continue to write these characters into the canvas and still be "realistic". At some point, one wonders why the bitches, for lack of a better term are still included. In real life, we may let someone into our lives that have done us wrong, but at some point it has to give. Their schemes and intentions are more obvious and more difficult to be welcomed and included in the lives of the other characters on the canvas. So one has to knock them down a peg or redeem them to keep them as viable to the interactions of the others.
Often times, these types find love as redemption. Sometimes they "leave town" to reposition them for future stories.
And too, we do grow. I often say as a middle aged person, I would not want to be judged by the man I was in my 20's and 30's.
But to your point, they are the characters that make things happen, bring a little excitement to our normal lives and make the stories more interesting.
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They needed to take a little of the over the top camp out of Cecile by the mid 90's. They started there a bit with the scenes of her and Felicia and Cecile was living in her car. They needed to get her back to the working girl she was in the late 70's and 80's. Maybe end up working with Donna at KBAY. But alas years as the Queen of Tanqueray (It's Tanquir mother as Victoria corrected Donna in my favorite scene...) made her too far removed to be that person again.
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While Anna Stuart is the Donna Love, that I loved. It was funny watching Philece Sampler as snotty Donna. Although if we really pick apart the dialogue as she complained of the smells of the farm, history shows that she spent a good bit of time in the Love Estate Stables and I am sure the fragrance was about the same. But that is just nitpicking.....
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12 hours ago, Efulton said:
While Corinne Jacker was a horrible head writer she did create some good characters - Cass and Stacey Winthrop, Henrietta Morgan, Thomasina Mason and Alma Rudder who was one of my all time favourites. After rewatching many episodes on YouTube from the eighties i have realized that December 1982 through February 1985 is really a great period for the show. If you have not done so I encourage you to watch.
I am also rewatching, although I am still at the end of 1981. It is mid November. I think even here I see a wind of change coming. Probably easier to see as watching in the future rather than in the present. Jerry just raped Clarice. Jamie is James and now being the "bad boy" Steven Frame is back and everything seems to be BlackHawk. Although I see that there presence will be big for a while, but not long term. I see many of the cast floating and many of them are surely posed to head off the canvas.
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So I am chugging away through 1981. Mac just got custody of Amanda. (Who is played by the cutest little girl...she is just a sweetheart on the screen). "Steven Frame" is back in town as David Canary now plays him, but he has yet to reveal his identity. Mac is planning on marrying Alice (which I am guessing never happens...) Rachel is packing to move to California (which I am also guessing never happens...) I love the scenes with Ada, although as I had said earlier when I watched in the mid to late 80's as a much younger person I did not appreciate. Cecile is pregnant (shocker...) we know that one plays out. It's October 1981 in my world, a simpler time across the board.
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Yes, making her a caricature of her former self was a disappointment. The schemes to which Cecile came to Bay City in further incarnations were just over to the top. The one when she came back homeless and Felicia took her in showed promise. It would have been great to see her humbled and then rebuild a life start good then revert back to scheming but without the over the top Queen of Tanqueray "...It's Tanquiir mother..." said Vicky to Donna to which Donna replied, "...whatever" And this give me a chance to repaste my favorite scenes with Donna, Vicky and Cecille.