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14 hours ago, Elsa said:
JFP's recasts were horrible. Alan, Alex, Blake, Alan-Michael Mindy. With the right actor in the part, the show might not have needed Reva back.
12 hours ago, DRW50 said:I don't think she recast Alan-Michael.
Rick Hearst left in 1996. JFP was already gone by then.
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JFP brought in a good number of Santa Barbara alums to GL during her run: Vincent Irizarry, Justin Deas, Marj Dusay, Marcy Walker. Am I missing anyone?
I know JFP was around when Alan was recast but surprisingly that role went to a virtual unknown instead of a known soap actor.
I believe JFP was already gone when Amanda was recast and that role also went to a virtual unknown. I've read some big soap names were considered when Amanda was recast in 1995; among them were Kimberlin Brown, Crystal Chappell, Nancy Lee Grahn, Lauren Koslow, Lisa Peluso.
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20 years ago this week
I know one of the episodes from this week was used for Eileen Davidson's 1998 Emmy reel as the clip was shown on the broadcast. I don't know what the other episode was though.
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20 years ago this month:
From recaps I found online, the exact airdate was either June 19 or June 20.
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On 6/15/2017 at 8:28 AM, Soapsuds said:
And ATWT took home the Emmy for best soap that year!
And also half of the 1987 acting Emmy awards: Larry Bryggman (Lead Actor), Gregg Marx (Supporting Actor), Martha Byrne (Younger Actress). I think 1987 was the biggest Emmy haul for ATWT.
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On 4/8/2017 at 9:58 AM, vetsoapfan said:
SFT had enjoyed strong ratings in the 1970s under writers like Ann Marcus (who was awful on some other soaps but well-suited for SEARCH). In 1974-5, the show had a 9.4 (!!!) rating and was very entertaining. By 1981, however, it had plummeted to a dreadful 3.4. We had had to endure terrible writers like Tex and Irving Elman, Robert J. Shaw, the Corringtons, Linda Grover, Don Chastian, etc., and the audience just could not sit through their horrid material.
My memory is fuzzy about the plots that were playing out in 1981, specifically, because the awfulness of the late 1970s and early 1980s all runs together in my mind. Pointless newbies like Sylvie Descartes, Zack Anders, Garth and Max Taper, etc., came and went very quickly, without much fanfare at the time. Those were not good years for our beloved show.
Decades of watching soaps has taught me that what may look good (or at least decent) on paper, can be completely destroyed by incompetent execution.
I once read an interview with Bill Bell where he mentioned CBS approached him as early as 1977 about creating a second show for the network's daytime lineup. Do you think CBS was planning to replace Search for Tomorrow with a second Bill Bell show back then?
As we all know, Bill Bell didn't have a second show ready until 10 years later. Even if CBS kept Search for Tomorrow, I still think CBS would've ended it once Bill Bell had a second show ready to go.
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30 years ago today (March 20)
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4 hours ago, Khan said:
If they're going back to the original premise of Krystle (excuse me, CRISTAL) vs. Fallon, then it's probably smart to have the two women roughly the same age. Anyone who even knows about the Iris/Rachel rivalry on ANOTHER WORLD understands how complex and juicy that dynamic can be.
The new spelling is like the champagne, so I wonder if the pronunciation will be too.
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On 3/3/2017 at 5:14 PM, DaytimeFan said:
What's your ranking? Donna > DJC > Michele > JVA?
DJC is 10 years older than JVA, 9 years older than Michele and 7 years older than Donna, but she has that energy and sparkle that makes her seem so much younger.
Where would you factor in Linda Gray (76) and Linda Evans (74) based on how they look now?
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11 hours ago, Chris B said:
They de-aged the leads, but that's smart. I always felt Linda Evans seemed too old to play the young trophy wife. Maybe she wasn't and just looked that way though. I surely can't imagine her as Pamela on Dallas. She just looks so manly and old to me. So far I'm pleased with the age of Blake and Cristel and I look forward to seeing who they cast as Alexis. Daytime Confidential had the best Wishful Casting, Zoe Lucker who played Tanya Turner on Footballers Wives. She has basically already played the role and would absolutely slay it.
Linda Evans was 38 when Dynasty began, but I don't believe Krystle's age was ever established on the show. Joan Collins was 48 at the beginning of season two.
If we go by the age differences between the original core (JF, JC, LE), and the casting of Grant Show, I figure the Cristal actress would be early 30s and Alexis would be cast with an actress in their early 40s.
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On 3/2/2017 at 2:30 PM, YRBB said:
That's actually a pretty good choice for something so different. We KNEW they weren't going to cast a grandpa under any circumstances. That's what a lot of 50+ year olds look nowadays and it'll be less creepy that he is with such a young woman. He's also still good looking, so maybe they'll be tempted not to throw him aside completely for the 15 year olds.
Grant Show is 54 or 55 now. John Forsythe was 62 when Dynasty began. So not that much of an age difference.
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20 years ago today (January 6)
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30 years ago today:
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So how many ATWT cast members have won Lead Actress and Lead Actor? Was Martha Byrne the first? Also, wasn't Eileen Fulton nominated for Supporting Actress the year of the malpractice suit storyline? I can't stand Fulton as an actress, but I must admit she rose to the occasion that year, and all her work, from Eduardo's death until John humiliated her at her engagement dinner, was stellar.
As the World Turns acting Daytime Emmys by category
Lead Actor: Larry Bryggman (1984, 1987), Michael Park (2010, 2011)
Lead Actress: Martha Byrne (2001), Maura West (2007, 2010)
Supporting Actor: Justin Deas (1984), John Wesley Shipp (1986), Gregg Marx (1987), Benjamin Hendrickson (2003)
Supporting Actress: Lesli Kay (2001), Cady McClain (2004), Julie Pinson (2010)
Younger Actor: Brian Bloom (1985), Andrew Kavovit (1990)
Younger Actress: Martha Byrne (1987), Julianne Moore (1988), Jennifer Landon (2006-2008)
Eileen Fulton's only Daytime Emmy nomination was for supporting actress in 1988.
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And notice, it didn't occur on ATWT until 2002 when both Byrne and Zenk were nominated. ATWT doesn't even have a Lead Actress nomination until '86 and Liz Hubbard, who'd just freakin' arrived. (Hell, GL didn't have one either until the year before for Zimmer).
Setting aside the fact daytime emmys didn't even exist for the first seventeen years of ATWT's run, it's still ridiculous and convinces me either there was an ingrained bias against ATWT or bloc voting on other shows to get their nominees recognized.
ABC and NBC dominated the first decade of the Daytime Emmys. It wasn't until about the mid-1980s that CBS started getting nominations and wins regularly.
Looking back at the nominees/wins of the lead actress category over the years, it seems as on the whole CBS's female talent was overlooked. Prior to Kim Zimmer in 1985, the only other CBS actress nominated in the lead category was Mary Stuart for Search for Tomorrow in 1974, 1976, and 1977. It took 15 years for Y&R to get a lead actress nomination (Jeanne Cooper in 1989; she also has the longest losing streak before winning the lead actress category of anyone not named Susan Lucci) and 13 years for B&B to get a lead actress nomination (Susan Flannery in 2000).
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I'm a big Hubbard fan, but the crime of the century was Kathryn Hays not winning for the year she discovered Bob's affair with Susan. That was the best acting I've ever seen on any soap.
As the World Turns' veteran female talent was overlooked in the lead actress category at the Daytime Emmys. Elizabeth Hubbard, 8 nominations without a win. It took 24 years for Colleen Zenk to even get a nomination for lead actress. Helen Wagner, Eileen Fulton, Marie Masters, Kathryn Hays, Tamara Tunie were never nominated in the lead actress category.
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Not to mention Elizabeth Hubbard never winning for her role as Lucinda Walsh.
As long as Elizabeth Hubbard portrayed Lucinda with those weird acting choices (like, for instance, the stuttering) she was never going to win. And I say that as someone who places her second after Beverlee McKinsey on the list of all-time best soap actresses. Her work on THE DOCTORS, IMO, is a much better, more cleaner representation of her skills without the idiosyncrasies, for lack of a better word.
I know Elizabeth Hubbard won the Lead Actress Daytime Emmy the only time she was nominated for The Doctors (1974). She had 7 consecutive nominations (1986-1992) in the Lead Actress category for As the World Turns; that's more consecutive nominations in the lead actress category than anyone not named Susan Lucci. After the 7 consecutive nominations, Elizabeth Hubbard was nominated a final time in 1999, oddly enough losing to Susan Lucci.
Unfortunately, Hubbard was up against the juggernauts of Kim Zimmer and Erika Slezak. Unless they'd given Hubbard a slutty twin, she wasn't going to win. I do think Hubbard fought against making Lucinda appear vulnerable, and that's why blue ribbon panels want to see.
A look back at the 1986-1992 Lead Actress races:
1986 - Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Lucci, Peggy McCay, Erika Slezak (winner), Kim Zimmer
1987 - Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Lucci, Frances Reid, Marcy Walker, Kim Zimmer (winner)
1988 - Helen Gallagher (winner), Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Lucci, Erika Slezak, Marcy Walker
1989 - Jeanne Cooper, Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Lucci, Marcy Walker (winner)
1990 - Jeanne Cooper, Elizabeth Hubbard, Finola Hughes, Susan Lucci, Kim Zimmer (winner)
1991 - Julia Barr, Jeanne Cooper, Elizabeth Hubbard, Finola Hughes (winner), Susan Lucci
1992 - Jeanne Cooper, Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Lucci, Erika Slezak (winner), Jessica Tuck
Do you think Elizabeth Hubbard should've gotten the win in either 1988,1989, or 1991?
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25 years ago today
The following Monday (January 28), NBC launched a talk show, A Closer Look, which lasted a little over 16 months.
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Irizarry and Signy were married?! lol
From 1989 to 1992 I believe, so not very long. Their daughter would be around 25 now. Funny that some 15 years after they split, they were both on Y&R at the same time.
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I was never a regular viewer of Days, but to me it's best known for the 1983-1997 period encompassing supercouples and Reilly's first run. Looking at the ratings, I'm surprised it was Reilly's first run that got Days into the top 3 and not the supercouples:
1982/83: 5.7 (#8)
1983/84: 7.1 (#7)
1984/85: 7.1 (#6, tied with As the World Turns)
1985/86: 7.2 (#5)
1986/87: 7.0 (#4, tied with All My Children and As the World Turns)
1987/88: 7.1 (#5)
1988/89: 6.5 (#5)
1989/90: 5.4 (#7, tied with Guiding Light)
1990/91: 5.2 (#7, tied with Guiding Light)
1991/92: 5.4 (#7, tied with One Life to Live)
1992/93: 4.9 (#8)
1993/94: 5.6 (#6, tied with One Life to Live)
1994/95: 5.3 (#6)
1995/96: 5.8 (#2)
1996/97: 5.8 (#2)
1997/98: 5.1 (#2)
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I do remember hearing some speculation around 1988 about GL maybe being in danger considering its slow ratings slide. And it may have been just fan chatter.
Ratings were dropping entering the 1990s, and through that decade, except for one season there was an increase:
1989/90: 5.4 (#7, tied w/ Days of our Lives)
1990/91: 5.2 (#7, tied w/ Days of our Lives)
1991/92: 5.6 (#5)
1992/93: 5.4 (#7)
1993/94: 5.4 (#8)
1994/95: 4.4 (#8)
1995/96: 4.0 (#8)
1996/97: 4.0 (#7, tied w/ One Life to Live)
1997/98: 4.0 (#7)
1998/99: 3.5 (#8)
Early 1995 were the first cancellation rumors I recall. I was thinking a cancellation was coming in late 1996 or early 1997 as it looked like CBS was preparing to expand B&B to 1 hour in time for it's 10th anniversary but for whatever reason that didn't happen.
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Press Your Luck was cancelled in September 1986, and CBS returned the 4 pm ET time slot to the affiliates; they were the last network to do so.
Had CBS decided to end Guiding Light instead of Capitol to make way for B&B, I think B&B would've been 1 hour from the start.
I think the affiliate time shifting began in the fall of 1993, when CBS cancelled Family Feud Challenge and returned the 10 am ET time slot to the affiliates.
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For longtime devotees of TGL, the 1983/4 season was a nightmare, in the sense that Gail Kobe and Pamela Long were allowed (or encouraged) by TPTB to overhaul the show and hack away at its history and roots. We lost Bill Bauer, Bert Bauer, Hillary Bauer, Mike Bauer, and Hope Bauer, and were left only with a recently recast Ed and Rick, which crippled the show's identity. It was like doing THE WALTONS without John, Olivia, John-Boy, Mary-Ellen, Erin, and Ben, and only featuring a recast Elizabeth and Jason. We lost long-running characters like Sarah McIntyre, and popular ones like Amanda Spaulding and Nola Reardon. Not only was the cast decimated, but very soon the quality of the writing bottomed out, and we were forced to endure crappy, low-brow camp and a host of newer characters, many of whom never caught on with the audience. The show sucked from about 1984 to 1989, when Roger and Holly made a triumphant return and helped bring a renewed sense of continuity and history to Springfield.
The bizarre thing is, even against GH, which was very strong at the time, TGL was doing very well, and was a critical and popular success upon Kobe's and Long's arrival. Why they were allowed to hack away at such a fine, solid show remains a mystery to this day. The series never really recovered from their destructive decisions.
Looking at the ratings from 1983/84 to 1988/89 and there is a drop from year to year:
1983/84: 8.1 (#5)
1984/85: 7.5 (#4)
1985/86: 6.8 (#6)
1986/87: 6.3 (#7)
1987/88: 6.2 (#7)
1988/89: 6.2 (#7)
Were there ever any cancellation rumors in the mid-1980s?
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bandstandmike is going to start posting 1988 and 1989 material.
They were up to February 1997, then jumped back to 1988.
Does anyone recall when Michael Zaslow's last episode was? I'm pretty sure it was reported in the soap press that his medical leave began in the spring of 1997, so I think it was sometime in March or April of that year.
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Guiding Light discussion thread
in DTS: Cancelled Soaps
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Maybe JFP's plan was to bring on Marcy Walker to pair her with Josh, then have Kim Zimmer return shortly after, creating a Tangie/Josh/Reva triangle. To think if the Josh/Tangie pairing took off, we might not have gotten Annie the following year.