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If Katrina doesn't fall in love with Death/Abraham and turn evil then this show is wasting my time.

Who is this Hawley character and why is he even on the show? It's like the EP said, "we need someone the dudebros can relate to so we can bring in a different demographic". I am unimpressed!

I am also upset that they have marginalized Captain Irving. Is he or is he not one of the leads on this show?

I like the monster of the week. I just need it all to tie into a main over arching plot.

I've only seen a bit of the latest eppy, and I kind of dig what I saw. I was beyond disappointed with S3 finale so I gave the show up, but I may have to dive back in and play catch up. I loved the movie Freaks! They even found their own Zippy the pin head?! Wow!

While it might seem exploitative to some, this was very real OUAT, and it provides people with disabilities some additional income for being themselves. I choose to look at it this way.

Oh, I know it was very real. I think it is a good thing that we all feel uncomfortable about it. It let's us know that ideas and perceptions about humanity can improve.

Watching this season feels slightly wrong to me. I did watch the first episode and even liked it, but it feels exploitative or something. I guess I just have to remind myself that this isn't a real freak show and the people chose to be involved. I do feel bad for little people and such, that the public general still feels free to snap pictures without permission and make comments. Some guy had a piece on CNN recently showing a typical day of people doing that sort of thing to him in NYC of all places.

Glad I am not alone in feeling uncomfortable at the exploitation. However, I try to tell myself these folks are actors and in the entertainment business.

The episode was interesting and well written.

Side Note: That clown was so scary. And i fear I will have nightmares about it.

I wasn't going to watch this because I usually grow bored and/ or tired of Shonda's shows after the first season. But I liked the trailor. Also love Viola and that she is not the only color on the show so I will give it a whirl. Hopefully I can stick with it.

This is the best new series coming out IMO.

You know what?! I am looking forward to this. One of the few shows that I didn't have to force myself to continue to watch.

You sure you enjoy this show?

Not really. I don't. Which is why I don't watch it much unless it is Diggle centric. I love him. This is the first show I have seen all year. I only started watching it for Manu Bennett but even he couldn't keep me entertained.

I loved last night's episode simply because it focused on Diggle and something other than Team Arrow drama. I can not stand Oliver Queen. Must he sleep with or have had a romantic past with every woman unrelated to him. Looks like has had a thing with Waller too. I just can't deal.

I would watch the Suicide Squad any day over Team Arrow at this point. I hope a spin off is In the works so I can stop watching this show for my Diggle fix.

So the witch hunter kills the black people and LaLaurie suddenly cares about the "darkies." Murphy has serious issues about race/ethnicity.

His issue is that he sees race through the eyes of privilege. The fact that he played "Oh Freedom" to symbolize a white man breaking free from a situation (of his own making) by massacring innocent black people shows the parallels he is trying to draw between Hanks situation and slavery/oppression. In the eyes of privilege, this makes complete sense.

Well, Abby is the co-lead for now. From the producers' and actress' (who played Katrina) comments, we are in store for more Katrina as Ichabod's soul mate/true love. We'll see how it plays out next season 2. With the show's popularity, I expect FOX to push the show in the direction that it wants.

The sister is recurring so she will be on and off. I like her hitting on the captain though. She is clearly interested in him although he seems mostly irritated by her.

Jennie Mills is a great character. She is clearly interested in the straight laced captain...could make for a great dynamic.

Michelle Pfeiffer would be great!!!!!

http://www.eonline.com/news/484710/american-horror-story-wants-reese-witherspoon-and-two-more-a-listers-find-out-who

YEah she would be...I also read that Kathy Bates and Angela Basset will be returning in season 4.

ITA. I don't see this as Queenie turning on the other witches. Rather she is trying to find a place to belong and be loved. As far as she knows Marie only wants LaLaurie who is a monster. Queenie is not privy to Marie's plans. When she does find out, this is when we will see where her loyalty lies.

I am clueless about what Murphy is trying to say about "race," but I like that he is generating difficult and uncomfortable conversation.

Definitely uncomfortable conversation. One argument that I see often is Marie Laveau being racist and is just as bad as LaLaurie...maybe? maybe not? But let's not pretend like it is the same. Its hard to compare a Marie's ( black person's) justified hatred and general distrust of white people when they have lived through and seen what Marie has with folks like LaLaurie (white people) who have brutalized and hated black people just because they could. Marie's SL is a revenge trope..Marie versus Fiona (the voodoo coven versus the witch coven) is feuding families trope (they just happen to be of different races)....but LaLaurie's story is what? redemption? I resent that being that the character doesn't deserve it.

Absolutely! The person who wrote that article seems very intelligent, but I can't help but believe they are not watching all eppies or just barely paying attention.

Or they are not even attempting to see actions through the eyes of the characters...or just can't empathize with Queenie's situation/story. Someone who has always fitted in may not understand the thoughts and feelings of an outsider (which is a situation that doesn't have to necessarily do with race, could be class, gender, straight/gay. cis/trans, general interests, hobbies, basically anything that is not like the most of the people you are around).

I hate to do this, but I thought this AVClub review about how inevitably awful this whole race wars story will probably be and yet why I keep watching, was spot on about the episode as a whole. http://www.avclub.com/review/the-dead-105840

"Queenie switches sides because a couple of people tell her that her fellow schoolmates will never think of her as a sister witch and because LaLaurie—a woman she already knows to be an immortal racist murderer who created a minotaur—once killed a baby. Yeah, I get why she doesn’t want to be forever friends with LaLaurie after that revelation, but turning on everybody else? The show is trying to use race as a central motivation in its “Now, you go here, and you go here” action-figure storytelling, but it just doesn’t work or conform to the characters as we’ve gotten to know them."

I don't think that this it is as simple at that with Queenie. She feels like an outsider and is looking for somewhere to fit in. How may times has she said she doesn't need the "sorority" because she is used to looking out for herself. But then she is secretly looking for love and acceptance which we saw with the Minotaur. So really her talk is just a front for what she really wants. We know that she has aspirations to be a powerful witch. Look how easily to ate that line up from Fiona about being the supreme. But she never really believed that and neither did Fiona. I don't see it as Queenie turning on the rest of the witches moreso than it is about her own ambition accompanied by her desire to be accepted.

This bugs me. I cut some slack when it comes to Ryan Murphy's lack of character development when it comes to this show (or more the fact that we see characters move from point A to C and miss point but in this case I couldn't tell if we were meant to feel sorry for LaLaurie and Queenie's "betrayal?" One scene of them bonding over fast food does not do that. If they took another episode to show some of that, I might have. But in an interview about the episode on EW, Murphy said he wanted us to feel sad that Queenie still felt she needed to betray her friend. WTF?

I still think Season 2 somehow was all tied together effectively (though the last two episodes apparently were mainly Tim Minear's idea.) This season is a clusterfuck and I'm not sure it can be tied into something cohesive.

Ryan Murphy must be a totally incompetent writer. I thought we were suppose to rejoice that Queenie betrayed her. Look at the story LalAurie told about that baby...and her utter lack of remorse for it. Saying "it was a different time" to explain it away or convince Queenie that it was okay. Then for her to tell Queenie that she would never be accepted because she is black. Come on now.