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On 7/30/2017 at 0:33 AM, Vee said:

If you can't handle YT embeds, stay out of the threads.

Vee, take a seat.

If you cannot handle people asking questions, voicing concerns or treating each and every person here with at least a modicum of respect, how about YOU stay out of the threads? All of them, preferably. There's so much more I could say about how rudely and dismissively I've seen you treat people on this forum over the years, but I won't. Others reading this post know exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, and you can spare me your "witty" (i.e.caustic) reply to this post.  I won't be back to read it.

Maxine - I really did not intend to upset you or passive-aggressively address the frustration I have with the Youtube embeds. And so, I hope you will accept my apology for that. I did not want to "call you out" in a post, not knowing how you would feel about that. Nor did I think a private message to you would allow any others experiencing the crashes I experience to comment. Sigh. I have received 8 private messages from other members thanking me for my post and echoing my frustrations, just as you have received several comments from members thanking you for the YT vids. But in speaking only for myself, all I can say is that with two Apple iPdads and an iPhone, my browsers frequently crash as the pages with several YT videos try to load - and that's if they load at all. I am not sure if my brand new apple products are considered "ancient" or "slow" by others who have responded to this issue, but they seem to do fine on other websites. I don't visit this site using a PC that requires system updates on my part or, nor do I have a desire for anybody to accommodate me. I am quite mobile and so I only use mobile devices and I regularly trade up for the newest and latest models. In any event, I wish to reiterate that it was not my intention to upset you and I do hope you accept my apology in the spirit in which I offer it.               

 DRW 50-thank you for your reply. I had not noticed any videos posted by you.   Most of the threads in "Canceled Soaps"  seem to be laden with  YouTube videos posted by one person.   In my case, the frustration stems from the pages constantly crashing on my tablet or extremely slow page loading due to so many videos posted.   Maybe links could be posted rather than the actual videos? Just a suggestion…  🙂

 Is this the soap opera network or YouTube? Does anybody else experience very slow loading and even page crashes due to the amount of videos posted on each page? 

2 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Thanks that's wonderful to see some hard data like that! I had wondered about that after seeing Y&R at #2 one week so close to #1AW in 1975 but would have not expected it to have been the infamous 1979 but I should have known since Y&R's dime novels in the late '80s featured the Suzanne Lynch story. Unfortunately other than reading the dime novels and listening to audio recordings I have yet to visually see some of those stories, although I'd LOVE to see the scene where an alive and Katherine smashed into the terrace in front of a terrified Jill during a thunderstorm. 

 I've never been a huge young and restless fan per se, but I have to admit being drawn into the Suzanne lynch storyline in 1979.  Although she went on to wreak holy terror on guiding light as a writer years later, I thought Ms. Weston  was quite watchable on Y&R.   But much like her abilities as a head writer,I never did mistake her for an actress. 😉

Here are some ratings for 1979 - they are the first time I can remember Y&R hitting #1.  I recall there being a lot of interest in the Lance/Lorie/Lucas/Leslie alliterative quadrangle as well as the Kay/Derek/Suzanne gas lighting story.  Tarantulas, anyone?

First up, the ratings from the July 1979 issue of Daytime TV.  Given that there was a three month gap between the ratings and the issue date back then, these must be from around April 1979    

From the August 1979 issue of DTV.  These ratings would be from May 1979

From the October 1979 issue of DTV,  These ratings would be from July 1979: 

Actually, after weeks of flirting and heavy breathing, David and Tina were about to do the deed, and Tina said, "I don't care if you ARE my brother" and David finally confessed, "I'm not", and the two made love.

I remember squirming the entire time the two shared screen time before that - Tina was actually willing to and wanted to have sex with her brother!

Contrary to other opinions, I think Tesreau did well with what she was asked to play. During her incarnation of the character, everybody in Llanview referred to Tina as stupid, an airhead clueless, etc. She played what was written - Dumb Tina. Prior to KT, Tina was always written as a liar and schemer, but she was not stupid

What did you guys think of the character of Rafe Garretson (Ken Meeker)? He seems to always get lost in the shuffle of the other Buchanan men - Bo, Asa, Clint and Cord. He was on the show for over a decade. Was it Ken Meeker's choice to leave or was he let go? How was Rafe written out of the story?

Ken Meeker was a likeable performer, but Rafe was the kiss of death for his leading ladies. He and Samantha were a dead end, literally, and I was not pleased when they paired Rafe and Delila because there was nowhere for them to go. Delila was watered down to a goody two shoes by that point, and Rafe was just dull as dishwater. The old mags I have say that Ken was let go in late 1991 - I don't believe he was given a goodbye scene, but it was said he left to join Sami and Delila in California. I am pretty sure that Delila never mentioned Rafe when she returned in 2001 for Asa's Ex-wives reunion at his pretend funeral. I could be wrong on that.

Then shouldn't it have been called the Ten Mrs. Buchanans?

That being said, the creator of The Five Mrs. Buchanans was quoted as saying that she was a fan and viewer of One Life to Live and had named the Buchanan family as an homage to Asa Buchanan.

Ok I missed the Wilma Bern days. I saw Elaine's stint on YT. Eileen Heckart was first? Did Eileen play Wilma when Alex found Carlo and wanted to change him into Carlo to fool people??

Yes, she did, and she was very funny! There were some good scenes between Wilma and Alex. Played way over the top, in my opinion, but in a good way.

From the March 1972 issue of Daytime TV - ratings are from the week ending November 12, 1971

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From Daytime TV Magazine June 1981. These ratings are from March 1981

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From the June 1980 issue of Daytime TV. Given that the ratings from that mag were usually 3 months behind the issue date, I would peg these from March 1980, but I know that Sharon Gabet returned to EON in February 1980, so these are probably from very late February-early March 1980

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From the February 1978 issue of Daytime TV - ratings would be from November 1977

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From the November 1981 issue of Daytime TV - these ratings are from August 1981:

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From the February 1979 issue of Daytime TV - ratings were usually about 3 months behind, so I estimate these to be from November 1978. Or, if anyone knows for sure when the cast changes that are shown were effective, that also helps to figure out when the ratings were from.

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Reading this thread, it would have been difficult to forecast that OLTL would become such a rating powerhouse in the late 70's to late 80's.

And did One Life to Live ever hit #1? Questions, questions

According to some old mags and clippings I have, OLTL reached #1 (tied with Y&R) for the conclusion of the Faux Bo storyline in August 1988.

And I have an interview with Rauch where he claimed the final week of Eterna reached #1. I have my doubts on that.

Who played Diane (the woman who nearly killed Dorian and wanted to replace Cassie in her life)?

Mary Ward

Has anything been said for those of us in Canada?? I know Hulu isn't an option for us but will we be able to watch on itunes or some other format?

Sigh. There's a few of us waiting for word on that.

Ivan Kipling was a marvelous character creation, one of the most unusual in soap history, but then, many of Gordon Russell’s characters were unusual by serial standards. In the late 70s, OLTL seemed the most adult of all the daytime soaps. Y&R had the reputation for being the sexiest soap, but it was “safe” romantic fantasy type drama. OLTL’s sexuality was baser, and often cloaked in negative expressions of guilt and repression.

Ivan was such a character. He had been raised in a strict, religious home that exceeded fanaticism. On the surface, he appeared a fine, respectable surgeon: competent, intelligent, a humanitarian. Underneath, he was a sexual sadist. He attempted to force his beautiful young wife Faith into bizarre fetishes, which left her cold and frigid. Ivan threatened to divorce her. He went out and rented a seedy apartment on the bad side of Llanview. There, he hired prostitutes to fulfill his perverted fantasies, which became increasingly violent. This was going out every day to over ten million homes and was actually quite provocative drama for the late 70s.

Yes, OLTL was quite different from other shows in the late 70's. It was the only show that featured a seedy, seemly take on sex, prostitution and fetishes. Karen Wolek was a character that was particularly interesting. Remember the time she went to the River Rat bar and goaded a potential john into beating her up? Or how she traded sex for jewels and clothes before her full fledged descent into prostitution? And then there was Katrina Karr, a hooker/junkie that was always in trouble, getting beaten or looking for her next fix. This was mature content for my then 13 year old self to be watching! Ivan took the cake, though, with his sexual fetishes, his frigid repressed wife and preoccupation with hookers and scarves, LOL! I have to believe that the network just wasn't paying any attention to all this lurid content, otherwise, it would not have aired as it did. It was all very provocative, and believably rooted in character. Ivan was fascinating, though I don't think the character could have worked long term. To redeem him would have been implausible, IMO.

I don't know if anybody has posted this, but it's a complete 1980 episode in excellent condition!

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I'm not refering to anyone in this thread--but it does make me laugh when some complain that they changed Victor's backstory and character too much with the DID story--yet these same people don't seem to take issue with him being this insane rich man who built Eterna, all the stuff that happened there, etc... Although I guess it does make Victor's appearance in Heaven seem odd.

Well, of course we don't have issue with Eterna, Eric, Eterna played out like Shakespeare adapted by Tolstoy.