Darn

Tyrese would fall into the Angry Black Man stereotype if that was all they'd shown of him. But it's not. Before this episode he'd barely raised his voice. You can be angry and black without falling into that stereotype.

I can't get over how bad Andrew Lincoln is when he has to act angry or sad, or how his accent slips when he has to raise his voice.

I was so happy that they didn't kill Dr. S and Sasha this episode, I don't think I could handle two minor minority characters dying in the space of an hour. And I KNOW I won't be able to handle it if Glenn dies. His hair is too pretty.

I'm so for Carol killing those who endanger her group. When the Governor comes back I want her to just pop and shoot in the mofo in the head. So what, who cares?

I'm all for Michonne and Daryl. I'm for Michonne and anyone. She's such a sharp contrast to most characters on television that her interactions with anyone feel fresh.

And a machete would make up for the height difference. Swift cut to under the jaw, one and done.

I don't even know what you're euphemizing but you stop that right now.

But really, watch Breaking Bad. And Orange is the New Black. And The Good Wife. Best shows on TV bar none.

Bar none!

I am. I am one of those people, who's still watching The Wire and riding a buggy.

See, the way you feel about BB is the way I feel about The Wire. As in I want to jump out of a window every time someone mentions it.

Every time the Internet mentions Breaking Bad to me it goes further down my Netflix queue.

Oh you're one of those people.

I just hope it's someone we get to know. Even a little bit.

The death of father of those little girls would have been a lot more impactful if we'd met him even one episode before this one. Yes, we would have quickly dismissed him as cannon fodder but still. I liked Mika calling Lizzie stupid, that got a real laugh out of me. Someone had to say it.

Maybe I'm grown numb to it but I used to have a much more visceral reaction to the zombie attacks/violence. Now I'm just like "Well, ok as long as Glenn, Maggie, Michonne and Carol don't die I'm good."

Or maybe I just miss Breaking Bad.

Isn't Christian Grey supposed to be really attractive? I mean, he's not ugly but he's not...say Matt Bomer.

It ticks me the hell off when people say this show is terrible and is only popular because of zombies. Say what you will about the writing or producing (although I don't think it's ever as bad as it's made out to be) but this show has the finest cast on TV. Why do they never get any credit? I don't expect the sneering elite websites like AV Club to ever say as much, but it just feels like nobody acknowledges the cast.

I don't know about that, most of the time I find Andrew Lincoln laughably bad. And the girl who plays Beth is not very good at all. And when Andrea was still alive I found the actress so incredibly off-putting that I hated the character even when she was the only one making any sense.

I want Michonne to somehow adopt Carl somehow without dating or sleeping with or marrying or touching Rick (who always looks like he just rolled around in grease).

I didn't think this episode was slow at all, a lot happened with a ton of characters. It didn't feel any slower than episodes from last season with Andrea (R.I.H.) and the Governor. I had the perfect word for it last night but I felt like last night was less...deliberate than usual? You know how shows get when they've entered their 4th or 5th season, where the crew and the actors know where to shoot and how to shoot and scenes are done quickly and sort of clipped (whereas a show like Breaking Bad (sob) treated every episode like a mini movie)? I'm probably not explaining myself well. Anyway, the show did it's job but not much more yet I feel like they were reaching for more in the past.

I've seen Chris McKenna (ex-Joey Buchana, OLTL) in two commercials recently, one where he played dad to a teenage girl who wanted to go to a Katy Perry concert and another where he woke up in bed (no idea what this commercial was about).

Stacy Haiduk (ex-Patty, et al, The Young and the Restless) was on the last two episodes of True Blood, completely nude. Full frontal. Check it out if you're into that stuff.

Everyone on the show other than Tika, John Schneider and Crystal Fox is distractingly bad.

I think the actress playing Katherine is perfectly fine. And Peter Parros is a better actor than OLTL or ATWT ever gave him credit for. And you know, not every soap can be full of Andrew Trischitta's.

I don't see the huge problem everyone has with Veronica. She's not a great actress (though really, look at her material) but she's also not distractingly bad like Wyatt or the Cryer daughter.

She could be given more depth, it's only episode 4. I think it'd be a waste of time and a waste of a talented actor to write her off.

I'm just glad that a soap has a horrible character and we're MEANT to see them as a horrible person as well. Not a Victor Newman or Todd Manning where they're repugnant but presented as the hero. Candace is the lead but without question a horrific person.

I don't understand why you'd want the most interesting character on the show dead? lol. I laugh because my boyfriend said the same thing and it's just WEIRD. The show would be nothing without her.

That scene had to be at least 12 minutes, and what was the conclusion again? I forget!

There was none! Veronica still doesn't know jack. It was stupid and pointless and looooong.

There are ways to write a scene where neither party learns new information and still have it be interesting but they have not mastered that. At all. I REALLY hope TP isn't writing this whole show by himself.

I think Hannah has some bills she's worrying about paying.

:-)

I think Hannah has some bills she's worrying about paying.

:-)

I know this is a double post but you sound like the show, repetitive! LOL

I also hate how static the scenes are. The editing in every scene cuts constantly from one character to the other, they hardly ever share a shot. It's like the actors aren't even in the same room.

I could totally write for this show.

Katherine: I don't want him to be governor.

Veronica: Why not?

K: No reason.

V: There's a reason.

K: No there isn't.

V: Yes there is.

K: No.

V: Yes.

K: Nooooo.

V: Yeeees.

K: No!

V: Why not?

K: No reason.

Those long over drawn out scenes kept making me lose interest. We make fun of Y&R's pacing but Y&R's pacing is nowhere near that bad.

Yes. These overly long scenes where they just repeat their point a million times are wearing me out. Tika is awesome, Candace IS a sociopath but I don't think I can keep watching.

Plus all of the scenes are bathed in dark brown. You have a show full of black people, making every set mahogany is a mistake.

The real question is, how many times can I tell you?

The only thing I'm addicted to is your White Devil taunts.

Did they bust out those awful 80s style catfights yet?

Not yet. Most of the scenes have been a lot of talking. A LOT of going on and on and ON. And some of the actors, like the white daughter, are laughably bad. Really awful.

I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on it, Vee. As I've made clear, I think it's awful but in a sorta mesmerizing, brilliant way--but obviously that's not the intention, and I don't mean to belittle those on here who love it, or who have said it's a true return to vintage Y&R style daytime soap (poor Bill Bell....)

Who said that? LOL

The problem with this show that I'm seeing is that the scenes don't come to their natural conclusion. So characters are stuck making a point that over and over again for no reason. Like that scene with Peter Parros and the cop, it didn't need to be that long or that repetitive. And how many times can Wyatt's parents tell him he's a useless addict? Or chastise his sponsor (or whatever) for not paying attention to him? It's operating like a daytime soap when it's not. The show is on weekly, we don't need to be told the same thing so many times.

I still think Candace and Hannah are the best of the lot. Good actors, characters with a lot of potential (though that scene with Hannah and her son in the last episode was TORTURE, why were there such long pauses between each line of their dialogue? And again it was repetitive.).

Also this show needs to work on crafting cliffhangers. Either they're not trying or they're duds.

I think Katherine is biracial. The actress has that look anyway.

Where does this show take place? Atlanta?

No, Savannah.

Tyler Perry hasn't shied away from calling this a soap, he's compared it to Dynasty, Dallas and Knots Landing (and the show is clearly influenced by Y&R, the dark wood walls, come on!). And this show is closer to classic soap than the stuff AMC and OLTL were rebooted as (I don't know exactly what they're going for and frankly, neither do they fully).

Hannah and Candace are the lynchpin of this show. Their scenes offered a dynamic we haven't seen on daytime in years. And Tika Sumpter OWNED every minute of it. The dialogue wasn't perfect but I really felt like I was watching a mother and daughter fight.

And I think it's pretty clear that Hannah isn't perfect, she ignorantly assumed Veronica's husband was white, she isn't shy about preferring once child over the other and treats her daughter like she's not worth the air in her lungs. I think it could grow to be fascinating, JUST so long as the lines stay not so obviously drawn.

Looks like a parody of a soap opera to me.

No, the Bold and the Beautiful is a parody of a soap.

Now that looks exciting! I love that Tika seems to be the center of the drama. I know people bitch about Tyler Perry but that looks really good.