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Not to get too topical, but, man, the Venn diagram between anti-vaxxers and "a-holes more broadly" seems to be just a plain circle at this point.

On 12/1/2022 at 7:51 PM, Gray Bunny said:

I don't have a specific scene in mind (I know there was one at Cross Creek, outside while resting against a tree), but I remember in general during GL's Reva Clone storyline, there would be moments showing the pure agony Josh was going through as he grappled with the idea that he lost Reva (again) and now he has to deal with this clone thing that he gave the OK to create while in the midst of his bewildered depression.  

 

That's the storyline I first thought of too. The story was awful and the script writing unimpressive but I have also always liked Kim Zimmer's work in this.

It was a lot harder than the usual dual roles as the clone was Reva but not quite, and that required subtle work - and talented as she is, subtle isn't usually what you got from her acting.

By the end, I was genuinely feeling bad for the clone, something I rarely felt for Reva herself.

6 hours ago, Vee said:

I can't speak to later at all, but Abby still feels like one to me after the long absence in Season 6 -  I think it's the deep ties to Karen and the boys, Sid, her kids' roots there, etc. that do it. Gary is the same, especially since Karen, Laura and Val have all more recently renewed their association and friendship with Gary after a realistic period of estrangement in Season 4 and for Karen some of S5.

While I know you don't mind being spoiled, I'll leave the specific plot point I objected to to the day you will regale us with your thoughts on the finale.

A long ways away but still

12 hours ago, Vee said:

It's notable that I believe Thanksgiving may have been Abby's first officially attended event in the cul-de-sac since Season 3 - she's stayed away years.)

Which is why, as an aside, the final ever scene of the show never hit me like it did so many other fans. I get the full circle motif but Abby only briefly felt "of the cul-de-sac" so bringing her back there felt like contrived nostalgia for a specific short period of the show rather than a true bow that understood what made and tied those characters.

But ending a long running show is hard and it was a cute warm scene. Just I recall my Abby fandom not feeling sold on what they were going for, specifically for what Vee mentions hère.

I am so happy you are well enough and hard-working enough to resume those and share them with us. They make me so happy so thank you,Vee.

22 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

Amazing! I am not alone in this! I thought I was the only one who objected. 

I don't have a problem retiring words and expressions that offend people but to be clear, the origins of "gone south" have nothing to do with condescension towards the American South.

Etymology is either, according to dictionaries, simply because south is downwards on a map/compass (hence go south meaning the same thing as going downhill) or because it is a euphemism for death in some Native American languages.

Jacobs pitch by the way IS why I somewhat defend Brad Bell as B&B show runner. His story telling is often awful and poorly paced but his story instincts are right: switching the parents personnality with the kids is exactly what he did with Steffy and Hope originally.

6 hours ago, j swift said:

 

Either way I am still surprised she was allowed to publish it online and in newspapers, and has never retracted nor commented on the story

If it is a true spoiler, retracting it would give it more publicity in a counterproductive way... See Streisand effect

12 minutes ago, Tonksadora said:

Do you happen to know who she was negotiating with? Or, who was EP at the time? Sounds so bizarre that they would not engage!

To be clear by not engage, I mean their opening response was to say no to everything she asked for, not that they didnt talk to her about staying.

She says she didnt want to play a back and forth game. She had another tempting offer, which GL knew, and she wasnt into them playing hard to get.

And it was already Ellen W

LOL I did mean PG. 

And I may have misinterpreted her praise for Nicole and RN because I too would be very surprised if she genuinely was OK with Josh/Cassie.

But I do believe she would have stayed regardless if they had indulged some of her demands. Fact they didn't even engage even thought GH interest was public knowledge cannot but have felt they didn't care.

The way LW told the story on Locher:
- GH has "earlier" offered her the role and she had turned them down. That would presumably be when TB left and she was still under contract anyway.
- According to her, one clincher was that none of her contract renewal asks were even entertained, even as they knew another show was calling. Note that she says that she didn't ask for a pay raise and the only specific ask she mentions is that she wanted a contract with PGE rather than GL and that she be given a guarantee the rest of her contract would play out at ATWT if GL was cancelled. So clearly the low prospects for GL were at least an indirect factor
- Then Guza insisted JFP try again despite her earlier no - presumably as JB wasn’t working and they knew she’d be negotiating, JFP called right after GL shut down her asks, she was tempted anyway so she said yes.

I didn't rewatch the whole thing but I vaguely remember her saying something hinting she also didn't seem bothered by Josh/Cassie while she was talking about Nicole F but I could be wrong. Doesn’t seem to have been a major factor.

On 7/13/2022 at 2:37 AM, j swift said:

Did they ever reference Amanda's mother again after Models Inc?

IIRC, there was scene where Amanda told her mother never to contact her again, which explained their lack on interaction between the two shows.  But, I stopped watching before the final seasons when they derived stories from Amanda's youth, so I was wondering if they talked about her Mom?

Of course the whole premise of the one-season-later Parezi story was that she had faked her death to hide from an abusive mob husband, which doesnt quite jibe with the fact her father and mother had both spent extended time with her in LA and openly so.

10 hours ago, Joseph said:

the final one

btw i'm still curious if anyone knows which scenes/episodes Kassie DePaiva submitted for the emmys in 2005 it's her only indication during her OLTL stint so I'm really curious

Scroll down this link and there is the description of the two scenes she submitted

I actually didn't mind him as Bobby Reno. Whatever else one can say about RKK he does the sexy charismatic blue collar thing well and his chemistry with JB was acceptable. They oversold it when they got Ryan to push them (funny in hindsight that Ghost Ryan sold him as her new soulmate but didnt know he was lying about his identity) but they actually didn't rush putting them together. They telegraphed it but then they took time to get audience there, which is rare.

So they almost got me before it went to hell with the rewrites. I still would have much preferred Bobby Reno than the tedious retcon of Vicky and Jake as a supposed supercouple

I have long defended AH with the premise that the transformation of Victoria into a weepy heroine was down to the writing and that her Loving stint proved she could do more.

I am changing my mind: a rare chance to see the tougher Victoria again and I am not liking her acting choices here at all, bad dialogue notwithstanding.

On 6/27/2022 at 7:41 PM, YRfan23 said:

I think when Bill Bell stepped down as EP on circa 1996/97 is when the problems started although Bradley definitely had periods afterwards which were good particularly 1999-2002. 

To my dying day: Thorne/Brooke is not given enough credit as something that unexpectedly really worked and provided great drama and this was the longest Brooke managed to keep out if Ridge's orbit and still be compelling. Sacrificing it carelessly to lazily trod the same Ridge ground again is in my Top Five of Bell mistakes.

2 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

Well, the "new production model" of end times GL was an amalgam of several things: CBS dictated that certain things would be done; a severe lack of funds dictated in another way things that would & would not be done; and the boots on the ground invented how they were going to manage this. Then, creatively, they had to figure out how to tell story in this new milieu. I doubt that Y&R today has as much forced on them. But, is there a "yet" hanging in the air?

As you rightfully said, I don't think there is anyone left over there that cares enough to force anything on them.

They are fine with the mediocrity as long as the fumes of the glory of days past keeps the show with decent numbers and they'll have no compunction cutting it loose once reality bites.

8 hours ago, Darn said:

I think the show looks worse than GL at the end right now. At least you could tell Ellen Wheeler cared. This show is so...rote.

I'd strongly entertain an argument that story-wise latter-days GL was more creatively interesting than YR right now but production-wise there are ways to go before we scrape that barrel.

But I fully agree that the current state of YR feels like the product of indifference by people who are OK getting by on autopilot for as long as they can get away with it.

This is the Garbby beach housse and from the current photos, I am pretty sure you are right and they were filming on location.

1 hour ago, AbcNbc247 said:

That's what I've said for a while now: Days really has to do a better job at keeping their spoilers under wraps.

It is hard enough to pull out for most soap nowadays but Days shooting six months in avance? Close to impossible

If ya’ll think the buildup for the red herring suspects is lacking wait until we find out the killer is somebody completely random and their motive is WTF. Like Tripp possessed by the Devil or something.

18 hours ago, Vee said:

so the mother/child, Oedipal thing with Lilimae hits deeper in these moments, as does the crypto-romantic desire Lilimae has for him that she denies to Val. You can read everything on both Harris and JVA's faces in those scenes, and they're heartbreaking.

First fwiw let me say how much joy I am getting out of following your KL journey and thought.

Considering what we later find out about Alec Baldwin’s character  I’d assume the cannon now is that her obsession with Chip was proxy mothering but considering that backstory didn't exist at the time I always thought that the Thornbirds subtext was so incredibly daring and JH’s very subtile work there absolutely some of her best.

6 hours ago, Chris B said:

it's interesting because even with the writing shifts, there are many attempts throughout to tell stories in a way that would be more character driven or explain character motivations better, but these scenes and stories were often cut. I wonder if that was because of the timeslot and the desire to keep up with Dallas, so they focused more on action instead of developing the characters.

I do want to say that while FCs writing was all over the place I personally feel they did keep the characters' throughline usually consistent.

Chase changed a bit after his divorce but Angela, Maggie, Richard, Melissa (before her last episode) were pretty recognizable as characters and why they did what they did all throughout, even when what they did was all over the place.

Am I wrong?

8 minutes ago, Chris B said:

. With Maggie they criticized Susan Sullivan's acting and said the character was an "emotional seesaw" and no longer important to the core stories.  

I have AW Frankie flashback...

45 minutes ago, crc said:

Is there a story behind the actor playing Finn being written off the show?  I've seen a couple posts that seem to hint at that.

I was skeptical when people first started saying that - it felt like a (stupid but) normal firing on a show with a lot of turnover - but the chatter is louder than usual so maybe... 
But we don't know obviously. Just a rumor.

1 hour ago, janea4old said:

in the write-up, Bryton says that Devon still feels like a "kid from the streets" who is uncomfortable in the public eye, in contrast to high-fashion Lily. Or something like that.
My thoughts? What? I don't see that?  Devon has been a billionaire since 2013, has his own private jet, is a record producer, and has hosted events to honor Neil.  He seems comfortable with himself and comfortable with elegance..

See, here is the thing. You are right that it hasn't been a thing since 2013. But it would be interesting enough to add as a layer to a character that needs more depth that I could take the slight retconing if they made it a thing and weaved the subtext of his memory of where he comes from impacts how he lives his wealth now.
HOWEVER this is just a throwaway line by a lazy writers so it sucks.
Again what infuriates me about Y&R is not so much how lame what they present is, it is how much they leave on the table right there that would easily make it more interesting.