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I have not yet seen Friday's episode yet, but I just wanted to comment that while it seems that the majority here do not like the twist with Franco getting Drew Cain's memories, I have to admit that I have found the idea intriguing.  I was getting tired of the scenes of Franco, Elizabeth, and the boys being portrayed as a modern day Cleaver family.  Something had to give.  It was a clever way to re-scramble the canvas. 

If worse to comes to worst, they can  load most of the current cast on a plane that crashes and implant Steve Hardy's memories in Cameron and Jessie Brewer's memories in Trina.  Then, the show could start all over again with a clean slate.  JK

I am starting to wonder, with the recent writing out of Billy MIller's Drew, the memory transfer of Drew's memories into Franco, and Peter's sudden shift from bland reformed good guy to sneaky villain, that Shelly Altman may have left the building a bit earlier than we were all told.

8 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

According to Wikipedia, Genie Francis made her debut February 8. Kin Shriner made his on August 2. The Head Writers were either Robert and Eileen Pollock or Richard and Suzanne Holland. There's no dates telling us when the change of writers happened or when Leslie Charleson made her debut. There was one more team in 77, Irving and Tex Elman and then after them, finally Doug Marland took over later on in the year.

This article doesn't answer any of the questions asked directly, but it might provide some clues for anyone in the know:

https://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/tbt-leslie-charleson-3/

I do remember reading in the late Christopher Schemmering's Soap Opera Encyclopedia that Irving and Tex Elman were the ones responsible for pairing Laura and Scotty together.

3 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

What was it like in the mid 70’s? I know the show was nearly cancelled at that time. Did bringing in Denise Alexander as Lesley help at all?

Denise Alexander as Lesley came aboard in 1973, the period I'm referring to was in 1976.  In 1975, Tom Donovan came aboard to pick up ratings and to update the show.  So, he got rid of the trademark organ music and long-time characters like Henry Pinkham, Jane Dawson, Lucille Weeks, and Lee Baldwin were all quickly written out, and replaced by a new family named the Webbers, which consisted of Terri, Rick, Jeff, and Jeff's wife Monica.  Almost whole episodes were wasted featuring Terri singing in her nightclub.  My mother was one of the viewers lost during this time, and she never returned.  Her complaint was, "I don't know any of these people."  As for Lesley, she was raped and kidnapped by Cameron Faulkner.  He threw poor Lesley in a car as his prisoner, but he got killed in the car accident while behind the wheel, with a kidnapped Lesley in the passenger seat, and Lesley was left carrying his child.  Lesley later lost that child after falling down a flight of stairs after a huge fight with Monica, and thereafter, could not bear any more children.  Melodrama after melodrama after melodrama. Despite all the terrible storylines featuring new characters that longtime viewers didn't care about, the story of Lesley's daughter that she thought was dead that turned up alive did actually save the show, so there is some irony there.

I'd cast my vote for neither as a long time viewer on and off, because in my mind, there was no regime worse than that of Tom Donovan/The Pollocks in the mid-70s.  Second place would go to the Gloria Monty/Too many writer changes to keep track of during Monty's brief return in 1991.  What both periods shared in common was desperation tactics employed to pick up ratings quickly, and it didn't work in either case.

Did anyone else get a "goodbye" or "goodbye for a very long time" vibe from the scenes with Aunt Stella as she was getting ready to depart for London?

I have to agree that the baby playing Wiley has a wonderful smile!  I know alot of fans have grown very tired of the whole Wiley story and want it resolved already, but I for one hope that this percolates for years, if GH lasts that long.  Now that the story with Ryan Chamberlain has mostly wrapped up, the Wiley story is the best one going at the moment.

I am not a big fan of the memory mapping story any longer.  And I really don't care to see Sam in another "Perils of Pauline" situation again and again.  Maybe Billy Miller grew tired of it, too.  This is the story I'd really like to see completed.  In its place, they should get the ball rolling on bringing Nicholas home.

14 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

Yep!  Opened up to another OLTL hack!  

 

Frank continues to fire these writers under the guise of retirement so that ABC won't pay him a visit, which they will have to do eventually since the numbers are headed into the negatives!  

I am also skeptical that the alleged retirement isn't a firing.  For one thing, Ms. Altman is not retirement age, and has anyone else noticed that in the changing of the guard, for this "joyous retirement", there do not seem to be any accolades from the cast to Ms. Altman or congratulatory notes to Mr. O'Connor from anyone other than FV?

I can see I'm in the minority here, but I actually enjoyed Billy Miller's performances as both Jason and Drew.  I know where writing is concerned, everyone has their own opinion about story and direction, but one thing that always bothered me was how Sonny, Carly, Michael, etc. all seemed to drop Drew like a hot potato once they found out he wasn't the "real" Jason.  I think that made me hate Sonny, Carly, & Co. even more than the various murders and misdeeds they have done in the past.  I wish Mr. MIller well in all his future endeavors.

They really need to keep Mac as police commissioner.  I'm even more convinced after seeing Shiloh's arrest.

2 hours ago, John said:

Im thinking Shiloh will be killed and we may have a whodunnit like with Susan Moore in 1983

I was not a regular viewer of ATWT, but I'd rather see Shiloh turn into a nefarious villian who would come and go like James Stenbeck.

12 hours ago, John said:

Oscar giving voting rights of ELQ to Shiloh is utter BS. The actor is great but Shiloh needs to go. I see a murder mystery.

3 hours ago, John said:

Can a minor Will his ELQ shares that he wasnt even able to control yet?

While it is very unrealistic, I really enjoyed the twist of giving Shiloh ELQ shares, because the show is long overdue for some fun Quartermaine squabbling and inter-family intrigue.  The Quartermaines, even the few left, just might be far more efficient in eliminating Shiloh than Sonny.

On a different subject, I'm surprised that no one here is trying to guess who pushed Liesl off the Haunted Star.

I am starting to think that some shakeup of some kind must have happened behind the scenes at GH, because it does seem to me like the show is going through a re-focusing.  Could someone at ABC be reading these boards?

11 hours ago, John said:

Kim drugging Drew to get preggo

 

No Thanks

I second the "No Thanks", and turning Kim into a rapist.

I actually enjoyed the wedding episode for Liz and Franco, but that was mainly due to Leisl stealing the show, as usual.  I'm hoping that they don't kill her off, though.  She's one of the few villians left that are fun to watch.

9 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

“The Scorpio brothers ride again!”

I'm surprised but very pleased that they made Robert the new D.A.  I like Mac as Police Commissioner again, too, much better than Jordan in that capacity.  Maybe Jordan can team up with Sam as a P.I. partner, and leave Mac where he is.  I wouldn't mind seeing Jordan get her brain back.  The minute they made Jordan the police commissioner, the character became dumbed down beyond belief.  Maybe they can let Julian take over The Floating Rib and get rid of Charlie's.  More action has taken place at either The RIb or Charlie's than in the hospital some days.  Why do they need two watering holes that look so much alike?  

2 hours ago, dragonflies said:

I think ABC has no intention of getting rid of Frank. 

That's the vibe I get, too, but, if it should happen, I think it would catch alot of people off guard.  I used to be in FV's corner until the firing of GF.  I've sort of turned on him since then.  I don't know why, but I think Barbara Bloom would be the one to snag FV's job if he's canned.  I have nothing to back that up, but I always thought her hiring was a very strange move.

I remember reading somewhere here that O'Connor was the unofficial GH historian not long after Ron Carlivati and his writing team took over GH's writing, and that the SON community was not impressed at the time.  I wish I could remember the thread where the subject was discussed.

I'm very grateful that the list included three characters created by the Hursley's.

Here is what I have been having trouble with with the Dawn of Day story.  If it is true that Dawn of Day pledges were drugged and forced to have sex with Shiloh, then wouldn't that mean that District Attorney Margaux Dawson was too, if Shiloh had a pledge from her?  What am I missing or failing to understand here?  And where are they going to put her now that she's resigning as D.A.?  Will she become a medical specialist overnight?  And who would take her place as D.A.?  Another round for Scotty Baldwin?  In my dreams, maybe, but probably not.  Has G.H. done a recurring character in the police department right since Burt Ramsey (until that stupid Mr. Big twist.)?

6 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

The old TJ and Molly were really good together, but I’m not seeing the same from this new TJ. NuValerie is just a completely different character and she doesn’t fit with Kristina at all. I’ve said many times that NuJordan doesn’t work for me. The whole persona spells model more than PC.

 

Sam’s scenes at DoD were hilarious on Monday’s show. In this digital age, they keep all their records in old file cabinets? With written notations on the backs of photos that NO ONE would ever have a reason to take? Just ridiculous.

For some reason, I like NuValerie, but she is very different from the old Valerie, it is true.  Old Valerie was more of a glamor type while NuValerie is more the butch detective.  Meanwhile, old Jordan was a kickass character who was later dumbed down considerably after becoming the police commissioner.  NuJordan is so soft-spoken that I could never picture her as a tough former agent fighting against drugs.  Yet, I like her, too.

As for the DoD scenes, you hit it on the head about the whole scenario being out of date, but sadly, that got completely by me until I read your post.  I suppose it could be argued that the confessions were so secret and so sensitive that putting them on digital equipment was too risky and too prone to being hacked, but that would still lack credibility.

And, it doesn't say much for my character, but I wouldn't have minded watching Shiloh drug and rape Milo.

5 hours ago, AlexElizabeth said:

Absolute shame that they're recasting. This character is beyond a flop.

I guess they have gone too far in creating story for the character of Nina that they had no choice to recast at least until they wrap everything up.  I always thought that creating a soap character that has no past like Nina was a huge mistake.  A character who was in a hospital bed in a coma for 20 years can't have any lost children return, have previously unknown about lovers come back, etc.  Regardless, I wish MS the best on her return to Y&R and welcome Ms. Watros aboard on GH.  Both women are fine actresses.  I am wondering if they are going to dye Ms. Watros's hair red-ish? 

5 hours ago, dio said:

GH is probably planning to bring on GT as someone inside the DoD cult, to give the SL some life because it's pretty dead, imo. Or bring her on as a recast of the DA and dump EH, or a recast of Hayden or Britt... lol

I imagine they would have to recast Nina to bring the story about her to completion, but hell no to GT being a recast of another Michelle Stafford role!  What I would rather see is, after tying up Nina's stories with the recast of Nina, having GT come on as a special guest star playing Kelly Kramer, who would somehow accidentally KILL Nina, finishing her off for good.  Now how satisfying would that be to play? 

22 hours ago, OldGHFan said:

I detest the character of Carly.  That said, Sarah Brown was the best.  Best actress too.  Loved to hate the early Carly.  Now I just hate Carly.

I like Laura Wright as an actress, but I do not like Carly either.  I loved LW's portrayal of Lena Spencer.  For me, anyway, the character of Carly has almost become too formulaic.  There are no surprises with the character anymore.  Even Jennifer Bransford's Carly got into a rough and tumble brawl.  I don't see today's Carly doing that.

This was the first time I had ever seen that scene.  I am no misogynist or advocate of violence towards women, but, maybe I'm the only guy on this site that is not a gentleman.  For some reason, I'm not angry at Alan at all after viewing him hit that woman.  Based on the little I've seen of the female character in the snippet, I don't like her either.

1 hour ago, depboy said:

Lucille Wall appears in May 1982, @ around 5:18.

Thanks for sharing this it was awesome!  I realize too that I had the details waaaaaaaayyyyyy wrong about the scene with Lucille.  I'll take my lumps for being wrong any day just to see a gem like this!

4 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

I wish I had kept a copy of this episode.

If I remember correctly, it was not meaty material.  It was Lucille calling on the telephone to wish Audrey a happy birthday, and I think there was something so dramatic going on that Audrey forgot about it.  I may be wrong on this, though.  It was a long time ago.