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Guys why are you putting Eric to this high standart just now... when this man is practically dying...  Even if he was a cheater... the lack of empathy for someone dying even if it is only on screen... is mind boggling. Also... practically 99.9999 percent of characters in soap operas... if they are on the show for longer than 2-5 years... CHEAT. It is part of the storyline bible. So it is strange that some of you are saying how bad Eric was because cheating and this and that... when Bold is the epitome of cheating scandals and sex scandals show. So we should not have empathy or care about anyone passing then.

Eric is first and foremost and iconic character. Believe it or not, he is. In my country girls would put posters of John as Eric on their walls. So for me it is different perception probably to now see everyone just asking him to die already or that the character is so so bad... that we should not even care. It is an old man dying. I care. That is why I wanted a better storyline for him.

I suspect Sheila will be written off soon.

10 hours ago, dragonflies said:

 
  and if Eric doesn't GAF about his health, why should we?  

WOW. You are always expected to bring the wisdom.

3 hours ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

I've been looking for this. Finally found it!

"The great lion of daytime television, Bill Bell." - Bill & Susan, the Hayeses

 

7 hours ago, lucaslesann23 said:

I hear that alot about his stories. You could turn off for two years and come back and its the same story lol

THIS IS FAR from the truth. Most of the long stories are just hinted for years and small moments are added but as soon as the story really STARTS... It  does not go for years for sure. He is very fresh and dynamic writer.

Yeah but thats Eric you guys... He is there since day 1. Even for that we need to give more than ... just asking if he can just die already as some people here are saying. Yes he needs to be written off... I agree... since the character has played out well pass being interesting... BUT He needs to have a proper exit. JUST BECAUSE he is a symbol of BOLD. Like KKL... Like Susan... Like... even Ronn Moss... Thats 37 years this actor has given in his life. And some of the comments are really bothering me. I hope some day I will not read similar things about Brooke and may she just die already since she is no longer fresh. We will all grow old some day and some of you will have the great luck to be Erics age. I dont want to start a drama... I just want to say this thread is not just for abs pics... and fangirling... It could be about serious topics too. And Eric DESERVES a proper send off just BECAUSE... THIS. 

I get while Eric is pointless character, but the hate and the disgust some people here feel towards this old man is... strange. I guess he lack the abs of Tanner Novlan and that is why. LOL

Which do you think are his BEST characters.

I would say. From Bold... ranking for originality...

1. Stephanie

2.Sally Spectra

3.Sheila

4.Clark

5.Brooke

6.Caroline

7.Taylor - especially early Taylor

8.Deveney Dixon

11 hours ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Ken Corday: William Bell (creator of The Young and the Restless and The Bold and the Beautiful) had a great quote: “Give me a great script, two wonderful actors, and a waterfall—and who in God’s name needs the waterfall?”

  GOD I LOVE Bill Bell. I think he is my artistic hero. Can I just say that. Give me a Bill Bell episode on a rainy day and I am good to go.

I don't care about the character but I care about an actor that gave decades of work to us. That's why I find it disgraceful the way they are writing him off. This is a legacy character that needed to be written off with dignity.

I think some people here have never even watched a single Bill Bell episode. 

34 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Yeah, I was laughing last night at how quickly it devolved from, Bill Bell the gold standard to typical bitch session about Y&R,[

Yes. While I was reading I was wondering WHAT I was reading at some point and checked if I was in the wrong topic by mistake. 

Not wanting to be a buzz kill but the topic is getting slowly derailed into something else. I just want to remind you that it is about what particularly about Bill Bell made him great. 

In my opinion... he is like if John Steinbeck, Dostoevsky or Chekhov were working in daytime.

His stories are realistic, you know these people, you can instantly identify with them. He knows how to build a story, slowly wrapping your imagination and interest, with catastrophic climax in the end. He creates compelling heroes and amazing villains. He understands women and a woman's psyche.

His dialogue is unmatched with dripping sarcasm, irony blended with sharp comebacks and dramatic tension and suspense.

Just look at his character of Stephanie in the first 7 seasons - she is so overwhelmingly intimidating, her words cutting to the bone. Her mere presence making people scared. You can only write a character to be so strong. A genius actress cannot save a bad script. He made all his characters have their own unique voice.

One very strong argument is that he knows how to write the opportunistic valley girl trying to invade the matriarch's castle. This is his best story and he does it so perfectly, even movies like All about Eve or The Favourite are not at that level in my opinion.

In the end, most importantly, when you watch a Bill Bell storyline you learn about humanity and about psyche. It's like reading East of Eden or The Brother Karamazov. You feel enriched in the end. Like you know something new about people.

Of course he has little slip-ups but I can count on one hand the *not so good moments* in the first 1600 episodes of Bold. Really on one hand and it's mostly casting issues and one storyline dragging the other more interesting ones. Also he is capable of writing sometimes 5-6 stories at one time and all of them are good. All of them. There is no filler.

Bill Bell is really not overrated. I think he deserves more awards now after his death and he deserves to be remembered and remembered and Remembered.

1 hour ago, lucaslesann23 said:

Just I rarely find episodes of his stuff. So I hope some people can help me understand.

1600 episodes (his complete work on Bold and Beautiful) is available on YouTube on the official YouTube channel. Season 1 to 7. 

Just watch and your question will be answered. 

2001-2002 Brooke sleeping with Deacon and getting pregnant for sure started being hated and ended up favorite and most watched for a lot of people.

How many times will Bradley Bell subject us to the hellish nightmare of reliving BRIDGE aka FAKE BRIDGE. Since this is not even Ridge and nobody cares for this couple after 2013. Give that beautiful woman KKL some young bone to chew on.

62 year old KKL looking like a snack in the last episodes. 

Zende is the culmination of something WE DIDNT see again. So it really seem random and... absurd. 

The Hope Thomas stuff is going nowhere. I am really disappointed. The show should be called THE BORING AND THE DISAPPOINTING.

I am sorry if a thread like this has ever existed. The title says it all. What are your ultimate most favorite soap bitch slaps?

HERE IS THE QUEEN OF IT ALL.

AND 12 years later

7 minutes ago, Aback said:

Yeah, I agree. Nobody should slap anyone else, period. 

 Stephanie can slap Brooke as much as she wants 

The ultimate QUEEN of this thread and I think the winner... is... The Bold And The Beautiful.

In 2010 someone very "smart" decided to write a story in which Brooke, the long standing slut from the valley, humps her daughter’s borderline teenage boyfriend on the terrace, in A PUBLIC masked prom party full of teens. That 50 year old woman was wearing a mask and MISTAKENLY thought that the man ALSO wearing a mask was HER HUSBAND. The lead up to this was that Brooke was feeling extremely horny dancing to Daddy Yankee's POSE and Gasolina in the steam room FOR DAYS.  Of course when the prom started, she couldn't control herself and just HAD TO DO IT in public.

She didn't feel anything different when a 30 years younger man was bonking her against a wall. 2 days later she realized that she had made that mistake, and what followed were 2 months of hysteria and over the top crying finishing with Stephanie DOUBLE slapping her. It was SO BAD and GOOD at the same time... sometimes when I have the flu and need something funny to pick me up I just start watching these episodes from the start. It really is Brad Bell at his most CRAZY.

In resume - Brooke mistakenly had sex with Oliver - her young virginal daughters first boyfriend.

It is a story straight from the trash 70s VHS porn tapes. Completely absurd. I cant understand why Bold didn't win BEST show that year. Who can compete with that.

2023 has been a mess. 

Everything just starts, doesn't evolve and ends. Its like Brad Bell has never been worse. The whole show feels like its in a twilight zone of nothing fresh.

I am kinda tired with getting excited by something (Brooke and Taylor vs Ridge) to just get it finished and all done in 2 episodes with the dynamics forgotten.

I mean did they forgot how many scenes Taylor and Brooke held hands and said they loved each other? Nothing is left from this and it's bad bad writing. It feels like the show is sick with mental disease and changes mood and characteristics on completely random note.

 Also... Most of the characters don't really have a storyline. They just fill the scenes and make casual conversation about the idiotic main plot and then something completely drastic happens so that they (the writers) can simulate a growth.

I will really put 2023 in the bottom of the history of the show. This has been a year I have cringed and cringed and just watch out of disgust and habit now.

And little left hope something at least over the top will happen.

P.S and the Hope and Thomas thing is tired and Done by Brooke years and years ago way way better. At least the actress that plays Hope is really amazing and I would love if they give her something really meaty and important.

P.S 2 Thomas and Liam need a time off. These characters have turned into animation cartoons and are the epitome of the bad writing of the show.

P.S 3

the show lack a true anti hero that is Not Sheila.  

Ridiculous and another word I don't want to use. Bad.

And please make Jack gay. We need a gay character in this ridiculous soap. And if your father was Nick Marone, and mother - The Slut from the valley, you would be gay.