All My Shadows

Um, ok, now you've got *me* all hot and bothered about BranDylan!

Seriously, though. Before Kelly/Dylan/Brenda, there was Brandon/Dylan/Brenda. Jason Priestley and Shannen Doherty had a decidedly flirty, non-sibling chemistry. And then Brandon and Dylan started "hanging out" -- I believe Brandon even tried to save Dylan from his heavy-partying lifestyle. Brenda must have got jealous because then Dylan and Brenda started "hanging out" -- I'll always remember the episode when she came back from an afternoon with Rebel Without a Clue and Brandon was all shocked, like "You've been hanging out with my friend Dylan?" Brenda responds: "No. My friend Dylan." Meow!

What a tangled web of illicit feelings!

Oh God, one of the episodes that I missed was Dylan's first appearance. I watched like the first twenty or so minutes of it...like, right up until the part where Brandon is hanging with Dylan and his friends at night. I'm always trying to find the time to watch the rest of it lol

I think they all wanted a piece of ol Dylan. Why do you think Jim was so against him at first? He didn't like the feelings Dylan was making him feel!

LOL, c'mon. Everybody knows that David Silver was crushing on Steve all these years.

Brandon was all about Dylan.

LOL. That second sentence is probably the single most sexiest sentence I've ever read in my life. Brandon/Dylan is the hottest case of hoYay! in history. No doubt in my mind. Just thinking of it gives me the vapors.

this is when i loved 90210-

Ahem.

Come on, how can you not appreciate the subtly androgynous sexual orientation of this picture? Dylan's resting his head on Steve's junk while David is all snuggled up next to Brandon. Fanboy obsession? I think not!

Adam and Eve...good lord...I couldn't stand it. Couldn't stand it one bit!

My favorite eras of the show are the 1795 storyline and pretty much everything from 1968 to the end of the first half of the 1970PT storyline.

Re Flamingo Road,the movie.

I wonder why,out of all the suitable 40's/50's movies,this was chosen as the basis for a primetime soap?

The cast

Lane Bellamy Joan Crawford

Titus Semple Sydney Greenstreet

Fielding Carlisle Zachary Scott

Annabelle Weldon Virginia Huston

Lute Mae Sanders Gladys George

Dan Reynolds David Brian

The Dan Reynolds character was Sam Curtis,Lane's surname was changed to Ballou! and Annabelle became Constance.

The plot

Lane is a carnival dancer who gets stranded in a small town ruled bt Sheriff Titus.Field is attracted to her and gets her a waitress job.Titus,who has ambitions for Field,considers Lane inappropriate and gets her fired.She confronts him and he frames her on a prostitution rap.

He then pushes field into a marriage to Annabelle.

After a few months,Lane returns and gets a job in Lute-Mae's roadhouse.She meets Dan and they begin dating.Dan is locked in a power struggle with Titus.

Lane loves Field still,but marries Dan.Together they climb to the top and Lane realises she does love her husband.

Field ,after being fired by Titus, kills himself at Lane's house and scandal ensues.

Lane confronts Titus and accidentally kills him.The film ends with Lane awaiting a courts ruling and Dan indicating he will wait for her.

Like some other Crawford movies of the time,she was too old for the part.

Do you want her to come back and kick your ass?

I absolutely loved both the movie and the show. The movie was another of those instances where the character that Joan Crawford played in the movie did not become the central figure of the series. That happened with both The Best of Everything and Flamingo Road. It wasn't much of a surprise as Joan was not the star of The Best of Everything but in Flamingo Road her character was the protagonist. The show just changed that.

I disagree, for the most part. Lane was definitely a central figure in the first season, at least. Her arrival in town pretty much set up the premise of the series, and for most of those 15 episodes, the bulk of the storyline dealt with the Lane/Fielding/Constance triangle, with Sam coming in every now and then to comfort Lane and Titus coming in to stir up some mess. She moved into the background a bit during the second season, but I think she still did a lot. Married Sam, got pregnant, had a falling out and reconciliation wit Lute-Mae because of Michael, etc.

For me Flamingo Road suffered a little from key characters in the movie not being able to star on the series. Not as many as it was in Bare Essence which really hurt, but one key role was Elmo Tyson which was played in the movie by Mason Adams. Mason Adams and Barbara Rush were minor players but their star crossed love was a central element of the show. For me Adams and Rush had great chemistry. But in the series the role was played by Peter Donat and he was a good actor but just no chemistry with Rush at all.

Also I really missed Dianne Kay's character that had been killed off in the movie. She and Woody Brown were a great young love pair and she had ties to Titus Semple too.

ITA. I loved Peter Donat, but I liked Mason just a bit better. I also wanted Annabelle to stay around for a while, but I didn't have too many qualms about her dying in the pilot, especially when Denise Galik's Christie showed up. I loved the episode where Alice Hirson played Annabelle's mom and wanted to investigate the Weldon Mill fire.

I always loved Woody Brown on the show esp. from the movie, but his character just seemed to wander on the series, but had a lot to do in the movie. I was so shocked to see him years later as the main rapist of Jodie Foster in The Accused. He was still sexy as all get out.

Ahhh Woody....me likes Woody, a lot. Wish I could see him on "Love of Life." Between Woody's Skipper and of course the delicious Mark Harmon as Field, I don't know who was sexier. I could have never been a guest in the Weldon home...would have tried to seduce them both. I love all of the hunks from the early 80s era nighttime soaps...William R. Moses and Lorenzo Lamas from "Falcon Crest" get my motor running too.

As some said FR didn't measure up to the quality of Dallas or some others, but I loved FR. My mom and I both did and often enjoyed in a lot more than Dallas or the others.

It's been so many years since I was able to watch "Dallas" regularly, so it's hard for me to truly compare on a basis that isn't just based on the fact that it's "Dallas." Mom and I would watch the FR reruns together every week and she'd tell me stories about all of the shows from that time...those are like her favorite types of shows, ever. "Dynasty" and "Dallas" were probably the last first-run shows that she really watched. She liked those two, FC, and FR, and she also liked "The Colbys" and some of the other shorter-lived ones. Wasn't too crazy about "Knots" for some reason.

I've seen 6 or so eps of the show--it was reaired a few years back on Hallmark Channel orsomething and I *loved* what I saw--it definetly had potential compared to some other shows that tried for Dallas' success.

And the old movie is a classic (although less soapy than I expected all things considered)

So of course I forgot to set my recorder and completely missed it. It may come on again this month, I'll have to check TCM's site. You probably watched the show's reruns on Goodlife TV.

Bumping this up because the movie on which the show was based is airing tonight on TCM at 1:45AM central time. I've never seen the whole thing, so I'm definitely taping it. I know that the show changed some things up, but I believe the general premise of the Lane/Field romance is there. I don't think Constance's character (her name isn't Constance) is as central.

I've heard of DOC and HTSAM airing hour-long episodes as well...I want to say that it happened in 1974, but I'm not 100% sure.

Lin Bolen is sort of a despised figure in the classic game show community. When she came to NBC in the early 70s, she wanted desperately to youth-up the game show lineup and as such, made her hosts ditch formal wear for more casual clothes, have long, wild hair (even Bill Cullen had the long hair), and replaced some older shows with newer material.

It's from around 1997. I wish I could remember what was going on but the stories are all a haze. I know it's from after the arrival of Brian Park as EP because Judy is arguing with Gary about the garage and this relates to her mother Joyce being killed. Joyce was one of the first characters Park killed off. It's also the start of Don Brennan's obsession with bringing down Mike Baldwin -- the scene's played pretty low key in the cafe but he ends up driving Alma into the canal and blowing himself up in an attempt to kill Mike.

The new mechanic at the garage has been in a few US series recently like Ghost Whisperer.

Aaah, okay. Thanks. I found another episode on the same site and it looks to be from around the same time period, so I'll check that out too. I liked the little lady who was getting her hair done, I think her name is Mavis?

I Dont mind seing Helen Worth as Gail, she is a bitch nowadays, but she been on the show for such a long time, so i dont mind seing her, her mother Audrey is also fun to see.

Old? she is born in 1951, so she is younger than Deidre Hall for example, i really dont think 57 is that old!.....

I like Audrey more than Gail, that's for sure. Audrey is totally the type of person that I would know. Gail, on the other hand......I can do without her lol. Every time I watch the clip of David pushing her down the stairs, I cheer.

And I didn't mean old as in old. I just meant as in "old blah blah."

Okay, would someone be kind enough to let me know when this episode aired? I'm about to watch it and I'd like to find some summaries from the period so I can have a clue what's going on.

Every single Corrie clip I see, I hate Gail more and more. Can that old bitch just die off already?

Thanks, Paul, for that awesome episode guide. I'd never seen it before and I learned some little tidbits from it.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE "Flamingo Road." Goodlife TV (now AmericanLife) picked it up in June 2003 and aired it on Monday nights for a year and a half, and I watched it religiously.

I think that what did the show in was the introduction of the voodoo stuff midway through the second season, and it was also a very convoluted show. I had to watch the second season twice to truly understand all of the political goings-on. All of the domestic/relationship issues were great though, and I ate it all up. I loved the Lane/Lute-Mae friendship a lot, and I always wondered what Constance would have thought about her birth mother and her husband's mistress being so close. I loved Field and Constance's relationship in the second season, too, the way they would be snarky with each other but also still have feelings for each other. I loved Eudora's addiction to painkillers and how Constance's fake paralysis was revealed to Field when she was trying to calm Eudora down.

My little show should have lived on, damn it! NBC put it up against "Hart to Hart," which, by that time, was a hit, and being that "Hart to Hart" was an Aaron Spelling show, it took away lots of the audience that would normally tune in to FR, so I say it was bad scheduling on NBC's part (surprise!)

But wasn't it on before or after St. Elsewhere? I seem to recall St. Elsewhere at 10...and Flamingo Road at 9. Did I get that wrong?

"St. Elsewhere" premiered several months after FR ended, so I think your memory is just playing a little trick on you.

Okay, I finally got SOAPnet a few days ago and last night, I forced myself to stay up to watch RH (no VCR/DVR on the TV...bummer) and I just fricken loved it. The two episodes focused mainly on the baptism and christening of Ryan, with some conflicts going on between Mary and Jack. I don't even know how to explain it...it was just good stuff. There was such a sense of family and togetherness, but at the same time, all of the soapy elements of the storylines still came through.

It's criminal that SOAPnet airs the show in such a suckass timieslot. Their schedule wouldn't be bad if they didn't double-play all of the teen dramas. "The OC" and "One Tree Hill" should only be one episode a day, and after some adjusting, that would easily free up two hours for late morning showings of "Dallas" and "Ryan's Hope." Hell, they could put RH in its two old ABC timeslots, 11am and 11:30am.

"The Doctors" is one of the soaps that I've read a lot about and I've seen several full episodes from the late 70s and early 80s (YouTube and WoST).

Several years ago, someone on the old WoST message boards typed up a year-by-year summary of the show (from the very beginning to the very end) and sent it to me. I lost it ages ago, but I wish I still had it!

It will reair on Hallmark Channel in Summer 09

I've been hearing stuff like this for a while now. A long time ago, Hallmark supposedly bought the rights to the SFM Entertainment library, and some soap historians have actually claimed that because the show had been produced by Colgate/Palmolive, it started saving its episodes before most other soaps (as early as 1972-1973). For years, there was no new information, but a couple of months ago, someone posted that they'd emailed SFM and the response implied that Hallmark would be airing it soon and that there'd also be DVD releases in the works.

I'm really wondering about all of that, though. I don't see any company having that much confidence in a long-canceled soap to put it on DVD (unless it's "Dark Shadows"), but putting it in reruns wouldn't be so strange.

Like in the LoL episode posted on YouTube. Ron Tomme and Birgitta Tolksdorf are in the B story. And yet the scene represents somewhat of a turning point in RT's story. BT, meanwhile, glows. She doesn't really have a story but she delivers like a star!

I think you mean Birgitta and Brian Farrell, who played David. That was one of my favorite scenes of the episode, exactly for the reasons you listed. I loved Arlene so much that I took a screen cap of her lol

Also, the shows back then seemed to be focused on people's psyches (especially fragile and emotional psyches). Why they were acting the way they were. On tragedy mixed with fleeting happiness (witness Steve and Alice on Another World). That really interests me. I don't find that many soap characters have much psychological depth these days. Which perhaps explains why I go through moments trawling YouTube and other archives looking for clips from cancelled soaps like these.

One of the things that I love to read about early DAYS is how adjectives such as "hypersexual" and "psychological" are used to describe it. I imagine characters who are having sex all over the place then pacing around, agonizing about it for weeks on end LOL That's so vintage.

Bill Prentissssssssssssssssssssss. Oooo. I love that last name. And why does that remind me of early Y&R for some reason?

Prentiss is SUCH a 70s soapy name. In the late 70s, Y&R had brothers Lance and Lucas Prentiss (Lance was played by B&B's John McCook), and also Vanessa Prentiss. The original DAYS announcer (the one who did the "like sands..." for the first year) was named Ed Prentiss.

Y&R's Prentisses were actually popular enough that one of my older cousins named his son Prentiss lol

That Youtube ep is from the end of the Labine/Avila era when they were about to move to their own soap, RH--aren't they even in the credits? I agree it's a terrific episode. Sadly from reading a LOT I think this was the only era of Love of Life at least since the 50s and early 60s that would interest me much--(is RH even on SoapNet anymore? I wish I could watch it at 5am )

I wrote down the credits for the episode (I loved it THAT much), but there aren't any mentions of who wrote or directed. Just four actor credits (Ron Tomme, Elizabeth Kemp, Christopher Reeve, and Birgitta Tolksdorf) and some other random credits.

I think the Labine/Mayer era of LoL is what I'd probably be the most interested in seeing, too, but I think I like the idea of the show in the early-mid 1960s, with Vanessa moving to Rosehill with Bruce and having to deal with his and his first wife's family. If I remember my reading right, Bruce's son Alan and his first wife's father Henry thought Vanessa was sweet and liked her, but Bruce's daughter Barbara and Henry's wife Vivian couldn't stand her. Barbara went through some trials and tribulations, Vanessa and Bruce went through some trials and tribulations, Alan had his own dramas, etc. Barbara ended up marrying Rick Latimer, had his child, and they divorced (Barbara was supposedly immature and that's also what tanked her first marriage). Barbara left Rosehill and never returned. I think it would have been epic to have Barbara and Meg in town at the same time! Imagine them teaming up against Van!

Another story from the late 1960s/early 1970s that interests me is the love story of Tess Krakauer and Bill Prentiss, played by Gene and Toni Bull Bua.

They had to pick up the pieces that the former writer left behind, whose name I don't recall. She had been a radio soap writer and essentially applied the same technique she used in radio to TV, but that method did not translate well at all. I've read that during her stint, the show was dull and preposterous, centering around a stripper named Bambi Brewster and her search for her real father. It does sound horrible.

I think you're referring to Jean Holloway, but most of the sources I've seen (wikipedia, soapoperahistory.com) put her stint on the show after the Labine/Mayer era, actually around the show's last year or two. I've read that Jean's stories, coupled with the show's outrageous timeslot change (late morning to mid-afternoon) made the ratings sink even lower and eventually the show was canceled.

I, too, have seen that YouTube episode and absolutely adored it. I loved it so much that I wrote down all of the dialogue (except for the last scene, with Meg and Ed Aleata). Tudi Wiggins had the amazing ability to lay down the law and show who was running things just within the first act! "I'm sick to death of everything and everybody, so just leave me alone!!"

All My Shadows--that's crazy that UCLA has those--so they have EVERY soap from Marc 1971 in their library? Is it an example of you can go and if you have a valid reason view them at the library--or are they not available at all?

I know as a theatre fan rights for videotaped things are very iffy--the Lincoln Centre archives in New York have filmed virtually every Broadway production from the late 70s on but because they did them cheaply without paying the creative team, cast, etc, because they were done for archival purposes. They can never be released on DVD or video (unless some expensive and crazy new deal was formed with the remainding members of the show) and can't be circulated but if you have a valid reason (ie you're writing an important article or thesis on a show) you can go and view it at the site.

I know somethign that aire don TV is different but the Museum of TV and Radio has a TON of old TV things that can't be circulated as well (probably, I never thought of this, many soaps). It's a rights thing. If UCLA has the stuff they prob don't haev thew rigths to circulate it and gettign DVD rights would be very hard unless P&G or CBS or whoever agreed to it--it wouldn't be as hard as with the theatre example I mentioned where it's next to impossible, but...

Still man I'd love to see a small string of episodes of AMC, OLTL, unseen soaps like Heart, etc from 1971...

http://cinema.library.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/Pwe...&PAGE=First

Go there, and type in any soap title you want. They have quite a few episodes of most soaps. A good bit of 50s stuff from the CBS soaps, lots of 90s stuff, some 80s stuff, and of course, the 1971 and 1973 material. The thing is, some of the stuff is unavailable for viewing while for other stuff, you can watch it whenever you want to. Something that fascinates me other than the 1971 and 1973 stuff is that they have most (if not all) episodes of GH from 1963 to 1970 in their archives. It looks like pretty much every single one. For what reason would all of those episodes still exist but nothing else from ABC (besides "Dark Shadows") from that time?

I think it's just so unfair that this chunk of television history, something that so many soap fans would *love* to see, is there. There's so little that we have from that period, and it's even more unfair considering that this was such a glorious time for the genre. Those episodes (as many as ten episodes for soaps that ran through both years) are so extremely important and I hope that they are being protected and repaired regularly if their quality starts to decrease. I would search for the Museum of TV and Radio's archives, but you have to register with their site and all of that, and I don't feel like it right now LOL

Those seven episodes of WTHI that are in existence are from March-April 1971 and March 1973, but they are tucked away in UCLA's archives presumably never to be seen again. I've spent some time searching through their archives online and they actually have episodes of *every soap* from those periods. Every single one of them, but the episodes are "non-circulating archive copies" which means that they aren't available to be viewed. WTF? It might not seem like a lot to them, but even as few as seven episodes is a gigantic piece of soap opera history considering that everything else from that era was mercilessly destroyed by idiots. They could at least put the damn things on DVD or something!

I'm going to start a mini series list as well to add to what has been mentioned

Scruples Feb 1980 CBS 6hrs

Based on the novel by Judith Krantz and following the lives of 3 young ambitious people.

Cast - Lindsay Wagner,Barry Bostwick,Efrem Zimbalist,Connie Stevens,Robert Reed and 40's star Gene Tierney in her first role for almost 20 years.

In 81 ABC showed a TV movie follow up which was a pilot for a proposed series spin off.

Lots of soap people in the cast,

Kale Browne(AW,OLTL) Brett Halsey(GH,Y&R) JimMcMullan(Y&R) Sandy McPeak (DOOL) Roy Thinnes (GH OLTL)

NBC also got very close to putting a daytime version on the air Pat Falken Smith was the writer and I think Susan Flannery had tentatively agreed to star.There was a shake up at NBC daytime and new management pulled out.Falken Smith instigated alaw suit but what came of that is unknown

I liked "Scruples." It's been a very long time since I've seen it, though, and I don't really remember the plots and stuff. All I remember is that Lindsay Wagner is involved in, I think, a publishing company, and it's one of those mini-series that is heavy on the flashbacks (like "Lace" and "Sins").

Didn't know they were planning to make a daytime show. Had no clue about that. Would have been interesting, that's for sure. At the same time, NBC was also planning to bring "Flamingo Road" from primetime to daytime too, with some new cast members, and some of the same people. That didn't work out either.

LMAO. Yes, that would be legendary "Lace" from 1984, starring Phoebe Cates as Lili, a French actress who is searching for her birth mother. She narrowed it down to three women (Brooke Adams and Bess Armstrong played two of them, I forgot the other one) and she gathered them in a room and entered. "Which one of you bitches is my mother?" she asked lol

There was a sequel, "Lace II," where she searched for her father. Of course, it was advertised as "Which one of you bastards is my father?"

NBC tried again to hit the primetime jackpot with Bare Essence.

It ran from Feb-Apr 83 first at Tuesday @9 up against Three's Company before being moved to Friday @10 against Falcon Crest.

It starred Genie Francis,Jennifer O'Neill,Jessica Walter,Michael Woods(TX,GL)Jonathan Frakes (DRS) and Jamie Lyn Bauer (Y&R,DOOL).

The perfume business was the setting for this show.I assume Genie met her husband Jonathon on this show.

It was based on the popular CBS mini-series which starred Linda Evans and Donna Mills ,who obviously couldn't commit to the series.

I fricken loved the "Bare Essence" mini-series. WE used to show those great 80s mini-series on Monday nights a few years back, but they stopped showing them in favor of dumbass reality shows about cheerleaders and puppies and [!@#$%^&*] like that.

But yeah, that was a great mini-series. It's been a while since I've seen it (the last time I saw it, it was on Oxygen), but I remember all of my favorite characters...Donna Mills played (I think) Bruce Boxleitner's mistress. He was married with children. And Lee Grant was so delicious in the role of wife of the man who owns the perfume company. Joel Higgins was in there too somewhere. And Linda Evans played Genie Francis's mother. It was really great.

Speaking of mini-series with soapy tendencies, anybody ever see the great "Hollywood Wives" from 1985? Based on a Jackie Collins novel, so you know it was dirty. Let's see...Candice Bergen is married to Steve Forrest, but he's screwing around with Mary Crosby. Anthony Hopkins was married to Joanna Cassidy but he left her for Stefanie Powers, and now he's screwing around with Suzanne Somers. Andrew Stevens used to be a male prostitute and Roddy MacDowell was his pimp, but now he's married to Catherine Mary Stewart and is looking for his birth mother (who turns out to be Angie Dickinson). Really campy, really dramatic, really fun.

I wish they'd release FR on DVD. I had a twinge of hope last fall. Harmon's doing his thing on "NCIS," Fairchild was doing hers on "Fashion House." I thought they'd try to capitalize on that with at least a season one release. And it wouldn't like they'd have to falsley promote the show as starring them either. They were *the* stars of the show.