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Some of you might be interested. Deray McKesson will be hosting a new podcast called Podsave The People. Just FYI.

I believe it. In fact I know it to be true that some people vote their special interest over their financial best interest. I do however disagree that the majority of people care more about social issues than their financial well being. I believe that's where Democrats have shot themselves in the foot. Apparently Democrats can't win by any logic.

You're right. But Bernie's fundamental message, boiled down, is if you make less than $350,000 a year, and you vote republican, you're voting against your own best financial interests. Bernie isn't really pushing LGBTQ rights. He's not pushing feminism or reproductive rights. He's not focused on Black Lives Matter, or justice reform. He's not dialed down on the environment, although his decades long campaign against against Monsanto is epic. He's pressing income inequality. That's his core message. And that's a core message that can and will appeal to a broad audience. And a broad appeal is what will win elections. Beto O'Rourke has embraced that message. He's not accepting corporate donations or PAC funds in his TX Senate campaign vs Ted Cruz. It remains to be seen if he can overcome the extreme gerrymandering in the state.

Ive been listening to a lot of podcasts. Honestly trying to avoid television news. My new favorite is PodSave America. Jon Favreau was a speech writer for President Obama. Dan Pfeiffer was a senior advisor to President Obama. Jon Lovett was a speech writer for both President Obama and HRC. Very entertaining. Highly recommend. Also one of the hosts, Jon Lovett has a Saturday podcast called Lovett or Leave It. They were discussing this poll and begrudgingly agreed with the findings.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/24/politics/democratic-party-poll/index.html?sr=fbCNN042517democratic-party-poll0430AMStoryLink&linkId=36863656

https://thinkprogress.org/thompson-kansas-election-b57a97493db6

I don't see Bernie approving of Russia's involvement in the election in any way. Try again. Do you deny that the DNC establishment preferred HRC? Do you deny that their preference showed every step of the way? I don't blame them. The RNC preferred Cruz or Rubio to Trump. Did everything to defeat him. And failed. The DNC succeeded in their mission. While the RNC failed. But ultimately the RNC's failure gave them complete and total ownership of our government.

There's an argument that it will make things worse. They're going to exercise the "nuclear" option. Gorsuch was conservative. But more center compared to Scalia. Confirming him would not have changed the composition of SCOTUS. NOT confirming him has changed the rules of law for the Senate. Which will live forever.

I guess as long as Clinton supporters continue to blame Bernie supporters for her loss. I'm ready to move on as well. But I continue to hear how Bernie's campaign crippled HRC and caused her loss. No. We don't. But if something has been introduced multiple times and never gained traction, is it a poorer concept if an old white Jewish guy introduces it and it breathes?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/21/clintons-democratic-party-donors-recover

One could reasonably ask what it feels like to be Catholic and hear the Pope openly condemn your proposed policies.

"This proposed budget isn't extreme. Reagan's proposed budget in 1981 was extreme. This budget is short-sighted, cruel to the point of being sadistic, stupid to the point of pure philistinism, and shot through with the absolute and fundamentalist religious conviction that the only true functions of government are the ones that involve guns, and that the only true purpose of government is to serve the rich." http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53897/trump-budget-meals-wheels/?src=socialflowFB

Of course Snoop shouldn't have. But the fact that the same people gasping in outrage over this never complained when President Obama was lynched in effigy many times just punctuates their unrivaled hypocrisy. This was well well said and expresses my "feelings" although this wasn't my moment. http://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/03/15/62-million-reasons-im-not-the-same-anymore/

It's a mistake to lump all Bernie supporters together. I think all politicians are corrupted. HRC's close association with Wall Street disturbed me tremendously. But as the Senator from New York it made sense. I also thought she was too hawkish and her support for the invasion of Iraq was troublesome to me. Trump scared me enough that I voted for her anyway. I didn't agree with NAFTA and TPP either. Or the Iran nuclear deal. But I still supported President Obama. now we have this, and I'm genuinely terrified. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53848/trump-executive-order-reorganization/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/03/11/83-of-americas-top-high-school-science-students-are-the-children-of-immigrants/#d65cc0a2200f

Politics, sad, corrupt. The EVIL Koch bros run the GOP. NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF. https://thecorrespondent.com/6286/if-shell-knew-climate-change-was-dire-25-years-ago-why-still-business-as-usual-today/692773774-4d15b476 owned by oil and gas and the tobacco industry before that. We think we're divided now? Wait until we don't have safe drinking water for everybody and folks like GregNYC have all the guns and ammunition. They're nucking fruts and they're armed. It's kind of funny, only not. I have a dear friend who disregards climate science but she and her family are arming themselves to the teeth in case THE WALKING DEAD scenario actually comes to pass. And at 60 years old, I just bought my first gun. I hate them. I really don't want to live in a world that is so crazy I need to fear my neighbors, but I've come to see that my orange filth supporting neighbors have guns and they're frocking insane. It doesn't make sense to let the mentally ill have all the guns.

I'm not clever enough to know whether the GOP is merely a study in hypocrisy or the prime example of irony. If I get this correctly, they just introduced a healthcare bill that eliminates coverage for mental Health services that affects millions of patients. That happened within a couple of weeks of The Orange Smear In America's Underpants rescinding President Obama's executive order denying the mentally ill from purchasing guns. Soooooooo. Don't treat the mentally ill. Protect their right to purchase AR 15s.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736 I do feel sorry for her. In a way it's like blaming a homeless person for not knowing how to balance a checkbook. For whatever reason she's never engaged. Suddenly she's confronted with a singular issue that motivated her to engage for the first time. You never know what you don't know. But im insanely gratified that she's suffering the consequences of her decision. Accountability is really big for conservatives. It's good they have to suffer as well.

As would Bernie. But you are so right. HRC was at the forefront long before anyone else was committed to reforming healthcare.

It doesn't seem so. It's based on actual counties. Keeping in mind that densely populated counties show up the same as sparsely populated ones. The article was mostly about how polarized voting has become. The more interesting graph was about how that's shifted over time. "More than 61 percent of voters cast ballots in counties that gave either Clinton or Trump at least 60 percent of the major-party vote last November. That’s up from 50 percent of voters who lived in such counties in 2012 and 39 percent in 1992 — an accelerating trend that confirms that America’s political fabric, geographically, is tearing apart."

This scares me so much. I've about decided that the GOP promotes climate change less to benefit carbon fuel producers and more in hope rising sea levels will wipe out the remaining Democratic strongholds. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/purple-america-has-all-but-disappeared/?ex_cid=story-twitter

Not disingenuous in the least. Entirely candid. I wasn't pushing voter suppression aside as you characterized it.

1). But voter suppression isn't new. The strategy was most egregious during Jim Crow and was openly pursued under Reagan. Yet it continued and was allowed to gather steam primarily through state governments even under Clinton and Obama and the Supreme Court is a co-conspirator. Gerrymandering districts is an equally troublesome reality, but southern Democrats were doing that long before the GOP embraced the tactic and unfortunately the Supreme Court rarely appears to rule against the states. Complaining about it (and the Electoral College) is the same as Bernie supporters complaining about super delegates IMO. 2). I don't feel picked on. Urban was a poor choice of words. I meant it simply to identify highly populated metropolitan areas, but the word urban has developed racial connotations. That's not at all how I intended it or thought of it. And I don't think it's a dirty word for most people. But it's become very clear to me that the concerns for most city dwellers are very different than for large swatches of lesser populated geography. And it's not entirely about jobs. It's about social issues as well. The hub(s) of most small towns and rural areas are the churches and the schools. Moving here was a culture shock and changed what "diversity" means to me. While people here are almost entirely white, they cross all kinds of socio-economic boundaries. The primary school my children attended was more than 70% free or reduced lunch. My daughter's best friend and her college roommate is a young man who is gay. Their other roommate also grew up with them. Her family are "bible-thumpers" and her dad is a bona-fide survivalist with a full arsenal in his basement who openly discusses how he's preparing for whatever constitutional or environmental crisis will inevitably befall. There's one family that basically has a compound on their own mountain where three generations live and have lived for a century. That's pretty diverse. And if I lived in Dallas I wouldn't know many (any?) people like these and I would have a very different view of them. Just like my neighbors don't know many minorities, my friends from the city don't socialize with farmers, or bus drivers or volunteer firefighters etc.

I hope you are right, but it's a gamble to count on that. Unfortunately, I live in a county that voted for the orange filth 4-1. What I hear (wholly unscientific survey) are Republicans doubling down.

Well as a Bernie supporter, I can only speak for me. You're right to an extent. I don't care about the party in it's current configuration. I disagree that it's a coalition. It's more like a cadre. And that's why I remain an independent. As for the rest of your observations about Bernie supporters, I don't feel particularly wounded or disillusioned that the Democrats are going about business as usual even though they got their asses soundly kicked. The party needs to change. With or without Bernie supporters. Again speaking only for myself, I don't care so much that Bernie was defeated as I do that the Democratic Party refuses to acknowledge its failure. The party loyal blame everyone but the party leadership. That the party could not, or did not, field a candidate that could defeat the orange smear in America's underpants is on the party. Not Sanders. And that lack of awareness and ownership spells difficulty for the party moving forward IMO. And as far as the millions who choseHillary, it wasn't lost on me that the concentration of her supporters was in urban areas. I drove 11 hours this past summer from West Virginia to Omaha Nebraska, and did not cross one county/district that was carried by Clinton. It's becoming very alt Hunger Games as I've said before. The Democrats can complain that those voters are racist, ignorant and voting against their own best interest, but that's mainly self pacifying. They will still need to find a way to get more of those votes.