GoldenDogs

How are all these things proof of racism? You are intepreting the words and actions of others and insinuating race into their motives; complete and utter crap. Has anyone stood up and said, "Don't vote for Barack Obama because he is black"? Who has said that? What has Joe Arpaio said to indicate that he dislikes black people? Bachmann wasn't referring to Obama's skin color in that statement... she was referring to Chicago-style politics - unless a history rewrite indicates Al Capone was black. I haven't seen a reference to Obama's middle name is ages! Who in the mainstream right refers to him as "Barack Huseein Obama"? But, wait, isn't that his middle name? We aren't allowed to say it... EVER? More crap, Juppiter. Weak arguments. You are telling me that Obama could get a nonsensical health care bill passed... but nothing for the economy? That is a laugh riot. It should be noted that the Democratically-controlled Senate has not passed a budget in THREE YEARS. But they rammed through a health care bill... Your argument here is weak, dude. The stimulus was a spending bill... NOT A BUDGET. The government needed a budget, not a spending bill. As far as the notion that Obama should have abstained from all non-budget related legislation... nobody ever said that. Indeed, the government can multi-task. There are two chambers of Congress and the Presidency... three separate entities that CAN work on three different things, bare minimum. Priorities, however, are important. With the economy in shambles following that warmonger, George W., I would have thought that some facet of the Obama Administration could have found time to hammer out a budget... find a way to control spending rather than figure out additional ways to blow the wad. Budget first, Obamacare second. I don't know how things work in other people's houses... but I pay my bills and cover necessities before doing other things. It is racist to vote for a man based on skin color, PERIOD. Ruling out all other options... not considering domestic or foreign policy... ignoring a person's qualities, skills or abilities and selecting that person based solely on skin color IS, indeed, RACIST. In true liberal fashion, you've made the notion of racism a moving target... it IS racism when you need to be, but it isn't racism when you wish it not to be. That, in and of itself, is the worst kind of racism. It is that notion or idea that fuels affirmative action-style policies and that is why well-meaning affirmative action has evolved into an utter failure that has hurt minorities more than helped them.

How, Juppiter? Explain to me how the mainstream right has made Obama's presidency all about race. Cite examples... and I'm not talking fringe politics - you said MAINSTREAM right. By mainstream right, you are talking about people like me. So explain to me how guys like me have made this about Obama's skin color. With regard to the whole birther thing... what IS the guy's background? Look, I have no idea where he's from or what his background is, etc., except that he was supposedly born in Hawaii. Whatever. Some may find the circumstances of his birth and where it took place troubling... and let's face it, even IF he wasn't a natural citizen, it would be the most closely guarded secret EVER because of the constitutional crisis it would create. Of more concern to me are his policies and where things stand almost four years since he took office. The fact of the matter is that, for as rotten as the economy was he says he inheritated from that awful man, George W. Bush - all created by monster Republicans - why did he waste two full years with a Democratically-controlled Congress ramming through Obamacare rather than fixing the economy HIS WAY? If things were so terrible and dire following Bush's reign of terror, why not fix the economy FIRST, then deal with Health Care? Simple question... should be a simple answer. TWO FULL YEARS of total government control... and that wasn't enough time to tick off the major items on his to-do list? The problem with Obama isn't a matter of race or where he was born. Black man, green man... It just isn't an issue for the majority of Americans. For the hating fringe, perhaps... but for most of us? Nope. This noise about racism is smoke and mirrors designed to distract from the President's terrible record. Juppiter, what about this issue in reverse? Is it racist to vote for Obama based solely on the fact he's black? Let's face it, his Presidency is historic and will always be remembered as such... is THAT point racist??

Over the top, Ann. You're so over the top. You think someone shot at an Obama campaign office because he's black? How do you know that? I've grown suspect of those who imply racism is at the root of everything these days. I swear, people of all races, religions, creeds and sexual orientations got along better years ago than now, for all the "progressive" assistance out there. Have you ever stopped for one moment - just a single moment - and thought that maybe people differ with Obama because of his POLICIES and not the COLOR OF HIS SKIN? I personally could care less about the man's skin color. What I'm interested in is what he has done - or not done - as President. Do I like his policies? Oh, sure... there are still racists out there. And I say we condemn ignorance, blow apart stereotypes, enforce laws where civil rights are violated... and stop painting groups of people with the same broad brush - as you like to do when it comes to conservatives. I'm beginning to think you are one of the most intolerant posters I've ever seen here or anywhere online.

Wales... you are awesome. I can't recall a post recently here so open and forthright... by anyone, including myself.

Okay, I'm lovin' Q-Fan even more now... LOL!

Q-Fan, I know I don't often agree with you on politics/policy... but I definitely recognize that you are one of the most fair-minded, least partisan people in the forum. I know where you stand but your honest assessments are appreciated. I believe Biden scored more points... I think his demeanor was a little weird, though, and it may have turned some off. While I won't go so far as to say it was rude or disrespectful, I do think it was strange. I found myself tuning out the dialogue and just watching him. Ryan finally found his voice late in the debate, but it was too late to score a win. He knew who he was going up against and he should have grown a pair before walking out on stage. He also needed to counter the moderator... she was ridiculous and, at one point, seemed to be actually debating Ryan. Biden, himself, seemed to square off against her at the end for some reason... then the silly 15 second versus 40 second thing... ummm, okay. Based on Biden's strange demeanor, I'm going to say I really think it was a toss-up. I don't think Biden did what he needed to do, which was score a knock-out. The main event is next week, anyway. This debate won't change anybody's mind. It might slow the current Romney surge... but it won't stop it.

I can't hear Ryan, actually. Biden doesn't stop talking... and the moderator is debating Ryan, herself... weird...

Wow, Biden is overplaying his hand tonight. Dude is making a fool of himself, grinning like the Joker on Batman and chuckling, interrupting... Just... wow.

I just realized that the words to the Sesame Street theme basically sum up Obama's foreign policy... Sunny Day Sweepin' the clouds away On my way to where the air is sweet Can you tell me how to get, How to get to Benghazi Come and play Everything's A-OK Friendly neighbors there That's where we meet Can you tell me how to get How to get to Benghazi

You KNOW I'm insane. Of course I care. I rarely feel good. I know you're making faces at me! I'm just THAT kid in the classroom...

Anybody want to talk about a possible cover-up by the Obama Administration regarding Libya?

I absolutely believe he's saying it. Why? Because, unlike Obama, the man has bigger fish to fry. As a voter who leans right, I could care LESS about this statement or his stance on abortion. Things aren't going well in the country these days and abortion really ranks rather low on the list. Seizing upon this statement is a clear act of desparation on the part of liberals. Let's face it... you guys spend more time talking about Romney's statements or positions than selling Obama's. This is precisesly why Obama is getting hammered right now. But keep it up... Let's keep discussing Romney's more moderate positions... it plays really well...

Actually, Ann, if you really dig into the polling, you'll find that they have been consistently oversampling Democrats this entire election cycle. Sometimes they oversample by as much as 10%, and that's not counting those who call themselves independents who often swing Democrat. The significance of these polls showing Romney in the lead is that they are STILL oversampling DEMOCRATS. In other words, even fudging the polls to oversample Dems, they are still showing Romney pulling ahead. I still don't believe the polls are accurate because they are still oversampling Dems! The truth is that Romney may actually have a wider lead than the polls reflect. This is why Liberals are in freak-out mode right now. The Obama Machine's internal polling is revealing this, too, and it's scaring the crap out of them. But don't take my word for it... go to Gallup or Pew or any of them and look at the polling data - the breakdown of those called. There is also a difference in accuracy of results when considering likely voters versus registered voters. I generally throw out a "registered voter" poll because those people may not even show up on Election Day... LIKELY VOTERS is a more accurate sampling of what might happen on Election Day...

Carl, I'm sure he didn't tell any more lies than the President did during that debate. Romney certainly didn't misrepresent what Obama has done and continues to do to Medicare or private insurance in the name of Obamacare. Romney certainly didn't misrepresent the massive failure the stimulus was, or Obama's boner for failing green energy policies. But what Romney did that Obama didn't do was offer more specifics, to explain the differences between himself and President Obama. I seem to remember George W. Bush getting TRASHED after his debates... Remember the "hunchback" deal... thinking he had a device for cheating under his jacket? The mainstream press floated that BS for a week or two... And they tried it again with Romney's handkerchief. Good grief. If Romney is getting any favorable coverage at all right now, it's because he won the debate... NOT because the media LOVES Romney. They hate him and you know it.

How can you honestly deny that the mainstream media has been in the tank for Obama since he challenged Hillary for the nomination? It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that the media in any way has been pro-Romney. Do you watch MSNBC? Do you read the New York Times? CBS News? Unless you are suggesting FOX News alone is controlling the airwaves... but with people like Shepherd Smith leading two newscasts a day there and conservatives like Bill Crystal and Charles Krauthammer frequently slamming ROMNEY, I'm not sure the argument FOX is bias washes these days. Even blowhard Bill O'Reilly is frequently critical of Obama and Republicans - to the point where I've often wondered if he's bending over backwards to be overly fair. No, I haven't. I've seen stories about how Obama lost the debate for reasons all his own. I've seen forthright liberals like Lanny Davis say Obama is blowing it big time because the media HASN'T called him out on policy and asked him tough questions... so when it came time to account for the past four years, he stumbled horribly! Univision broke it open when they asked him tough questions about Libya he couldn't answer... Real journalism... FINALLY. You think UNIVISION is in the tank for ROMNEY? Puh-lease, Carl...

Obama has to explain the state of the economy and the country after four years... And he's having difficulty doing so.

I know... and it worked so well the first time for Obama - wonder why it's not working out so well this time... Ohhh, you mean the media has a boner for Mitt! Riiiigght...

PRINCETON, NJ -- Registered voters' preferences for president are evenly split in the first three days of Gallup tracking since last Wednesday's presidential debate. In the three days prior to the debate, Barack Obama had a five-percentage-point edge among registered voters. http://www.gallup.com/poll/157907/romney-narrows-vote-gap-historic-debate-win.aspx

Why he's falling apart The foundations of Obama's campaign are not nearly as strong as they once seemed Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/falling-article-1.1176348#ixzz28hysTo76

Oh YES! Agreement in the forum again! Love you, Juppiter!

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Marceline... ya'll are right. Numbers are great and Americans are back to work! I've just come to realize that everything is totally awesome with the economy and all these low-paying part-time jobs the "adjusted" unemployment rate reflects are just what the doctor ordered. Silly me... you've proven me wrong again.

Marceline, it isn't just the right questioning the data. Everyone is suspicious of the numbers. I think it's sad, too, that we can't trust the judiciary, the Justice Department, the Federal Reserve... or anyone.

I agree 100% with Juppiter here, particularly on the point that the notion there are still undecided voters out there. How could some people NOT know by now who they intend to support? When asked for polling purposes, I don't believe some people are responding honestly or accurately, particularly in those battleground states. Eerily familiar to 2010. Polls correctly somewhat about a month or so before Election Day and you're starting to see that now... These people are JUST KNOW figuring out who they wish to vote for... they've known for quite some time. I believe there is manipulation of the polls, but not for the same reasons Carl does... and certainly not in support of Mitt Romney to help him. I'm still floored by that charge...

Good points... I agree with much of what you're saying. Are you surprised we're seeing this tight of a race this close to Election Day? I know people like Carl here believe the media, out of some love for Romney or a need to make things exciting, are responsible for all of this... but the media didn't make Obama perform poorly in the debate, nor did they give Romney an edge in public speaking... I'm curious as to your thoughts on this...