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Susan is in retirement mode.

Vincent Irizarry has one of the best reputations.

Ellabelle, Vincent put up your clip of them and Joan on his FB page.

I thought Tom and Brooke were great as friends, but I didn't care for how Tom wanted Brooke to sacrifice her career. I thought Brooke was too domestic and dull with Tom. When Brooke got involved with Adam, the writers wrote her as smart and driven. Adam and Brooke's sexual chemistry stemmed from their intelligence,

Brooke always sought the unconditional love that she missed out on as a child. Adam loved Brooke the way she needed to be loved. Brooke loved the tenderness that Adam only displayed with her, but her inner bad girl was also attracted to Adam's dastardly ways despite her moral compass telling her she shouldn't.

Adam vs. Tom

Adam is the winner. Edmund is second. Tom is at best third place.

The Valley Inn was definitely around in the late 80s because Jack both lived there and somehow ran a law office out of his hotel suite as well. I'm not sure when the hotel or its restaurant and terrace were first used as sets though.

Yes, I think the Valley Inn was around in the late 80's - I'm think the first time the outdoor terrace was shown was the Summer of 1991 although the interior might have been shown prior.

I think the Valley Inn became prominent in the early 1990's after the demise of the Chateau.

English Tea - partially, yes. There are three of us collecting episodes and clipping them.

I asked a few pages back, but I guess you missed it - is the AMCThroughTheYears channel yours? It's very Brooke-centered, and I know you're a big fan of the character. If it is and you are looking for anything from 1999-2000, let me know because there's a good change I have it, and I'd be interested in trading for other 90s Erica clips.

I sent you an inbox message.

These were just uploaded to YouTube: how Liza found out in 1999 that Adam was really Colby's father, not Jake.

The backstory to set up these scenes: Colby's cord blood cells had been saved (improbable considering that she was delivered in a cabin by David, and not at a hospital, but whatever), and Liza and Jake agreed to donate them for an experimental therapy for Dimitri. Adam was afraid testing on the cells would confirm he was the father, so he switched Colby's sample with another sample, and Liza finally figured that out. She was furious and was prepared to confront Adam over it. David had reached the end of his patience with Adam, and after months of threatening to go public with the news that Adam was really Colby's father, David swore that the next person who walked into the room would hear the truth - and that person happened to be Gillian.

Is this your channel?

The plane crash:

With the anniversary of the Northridge Earthquake just having come a week ago, I was reminded of one of my All My Children memories. Even though we lived 60 miles north of the valley, the power in Santa Barbara was knocked out for hours and I recall my mother and grandmother being disappointed at missing the show, because Belinda Keefer had kidnapped a baby and they wanted to see what happened next. "Shoot, we gonna miss what she did with that baby", lol.

Wow... 20 years ago... I remember moments from it like yesterday. Although 10 years ago, a news channel showed footage from the earthquake, which I was only seeing for the first time since most of what was going on around me was via radio reports

Thanks. I wasn't 100% sure. I guess Skye's mother was dead before Skye came on the show.

Sometimes I wanted all these dead, manpain women who existed entirely offcamera, like Lottie, to rise from the dead and roam Pine Valley.

Given the Orpheus plotline, I'm half-surprised they didn't.

I wanted Laura and JR and/or Colby and Jamie - either would work for me - to get together, have a baby girl, giving a grandchild to Brooke and Adam, and I wanted her named Charlotte after Lottie.

I'm not sure about the guy with Jeremy, but I think Jesse and Angie separated over Jesse killing Angie's father. Thanks for watching and commenting on the episode. Fun read.

Well that material starts around Thanksgiving (end of November). I posted one of the two I have from October, and I also have another one in November as well as one from April. But, pretty much, yes. Are you looking for anything in particular?

Pretty much anything from 1987 and/or 1988... just really hard years it seems for finding material, much less full episodes.

As for the strike material, I believe they also held off some on Cindy's storyline.

Thanks.

They did Hunter Tylo no favors with this hair color (or she did herself no favors). The scenes with Matt seem stilted, with bad dialogue ("it's not you, it's me"). They have no chemistry and he looks crazy-eyed.

Cecily is a lot of fun as a bitch. Her friend seems a little loopy. Julie is another one with awful hair and makeup.

Nina looks great in those crazy patterns and colors. I think it's the contrast to her hair and skin tone. I wish she'd worn this stuff more often. It's striking. Cliff "dies" on that plane, via plane crash, right?

I'm surprised that Myra was so happy for Palmer to marry Natalie. I guess that changed later on.

Joanna wasn't Skye's mother, was she?

Joanna's such a weird character. I wish they'd brought her back later on. I wonder if she will have any interaction with Stuart or Adam around this time.

Joanna was crazy, and not Skye's mother. She was married to Stuart for a time, but they were not romantic.

Love the beauty shot at the end.

This makes me sad for what Brooke and Adam became later on. She's so genuinely happy to see him and they actually talk about feelings and emotions. He's actually trying to change as a person.

Great to see Louise Shaffer and Charles Keating.

The part where Travis closes the dead bodyguard's eyes is a little chilling.

Love Erica spending her scenes trying to help zonked out Silver, then getting out of there while she still can. (poor Susan struggling to get that grating on). Is it me or is Susan's hair longer than usual here?

Silver seems so wan. I wonder if she was any better when she wasn't being hypnotized.

Was that guy with Jeremy supposed to be someone they were bringing in?

Lisa Eichhorn is terrific as Elizabeth. She makes me feel so much for the character and her struggle. I wish they'd kept her around.

So Angie and Jesse were separated? Why?

I guess this is before Cindy found out she had HIV. Ellen Wheeler was always so good at sweet, simple emotion and performance.

Those are some of the best scenes between Brooke and Adam... what Lorraine Broderick wanted to get back to when they reunited... which I think she did. PPs hinted at the emotions that existed, but more unspoken given DC's limitation on set.

I uploaded some AMC which includes the following (and more):

Thanksgiving & Christmas of '87

Angie tells Cindy she has AIDS

Nina tells Cliff she married Matt while he was "dead"

Some of Natalie's rape trial

Erica gives birth to Bianca

Julie and Ross land an airplane hijacked by Creed

Natalie kills Silver and Palmer finds the body

Stuart/Cindy's wedding

Is this the earliest material you have?

Maybe one day we will get a lot of BTS footage that was shot by Larson, Willey and Young.

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the Gloria/Dimitri pairing either. I was so intrigued by the Erica/Dimitri/Brooke triangle they hinted at in late 1998/early 1999. Don't get me wrong - I loved the Erica and David romance that blossomed that year, but I think I could have really enjoyed a triangle in which Erica tried to keep Dimitri and Brooke apart because she didn't like Brooke and gradually fell back in love with her ex, leaving Dimitri genuinely torn between both women.

ETA: Plus if they'd gone that route in 1999, they could have explored Edmund realizing that his ex might move on with his brother, and if Michael Nader hadn't been fired for a drug addiction, maybe we could have finally righted the wrong of the early 90s and had Erica and Brooke as sisters-in-law, living in the same house. I'm still bitter that never happened. I would have paid good money to watch Brooke and Erica live at Wildwind together.

Totally agree, plus the timing would have worked out for the characters to all be under the roof of Wildwind... and then had Maria return. It could have then caused a great quint-angle with emotions twirling all over the place among the group... instead of Maureen Gorman (while I thought had potential) turned into one of the worst returns in history.

I think Maria and Edmund were reunited because they were popular with fans, but the problem with this is they'd been popular in a very different era of AMC. I thought reuniting them was a big mistake - assuming you can just go back is always a mistake. And they'd pretty much sucked in their last few years before ELC left - did they do anything beyond Maria weeping and Edmund grabbing her arm?

I don't disagree that Maria and Edmund were popular, but the writers seemed to forget so were Brooke and Edmund... and since Brooke lost Edmund the first time to Maria, it wasn't going to sit well that she would lose him again to Maria.

I think one of the big reasons that Edmund and Maria worked the first time was because all three characters were played simply as good people who found themselves in a triangle, and tough (but never easy) choices had to be made so they could all move on with their lives.

Finally, the story was written to make Brooke a villain, but JB played it so well that the audience felt sorry for Brooke, and Edmund came off as an ass.

1994-summer 1995 was the marriage, Del, the self-abortion reveal, the Senate race, Edmund's "death," and the infertility. Supposedly McTavish's stuff stopped in spring 1995, not sure though.

I do wonder about that possibly being for Brooke, although the last thing Brooke needed was another baby story.

You might be correct about Megan's material tapering off in the Spring of 1995 - I believe that the Brooke/Adam redux of 1995 was a sticking point for MM, she wanted to keep them at each other's throats - Wisner Washam I think initially stepped in and started their romance prior to LB officially coming back to the show.

I think she had a fair amount of story for Edmund/Maria, but it was dark, dark, dark (self-abortions in the bathtub...love in the afternoon indeed). Everything after Del, the Senate race, and the infertility was Broderick.

I always felt that Brooke/Edmund were going to have the infertility storyline (which made sense given Brooke's history topped with the ectopic pregnancy), but when they finally decided to go with Maria/Edmund, they just made it that Maria couldn't conceive, and came up with the Del/self-abortion lame backstory.

Lorraine was gone by 1992, and she wasn't back until 1995, so anything involving Maria/Edmund until summer of 1995 was Megan.

I think McTavish was fairly heavily involved throughout 92, myself. Some even have suggested Natalie in the well (late '91) was her idea--but the Will Cortland murder mystery (which I loved) is very McTavish (when she's at her best)--of courseshe tried to replicate a lot of it for the less successful Michael Cambias mystery.

You mostly only tend to get stories like that when a writer decides they never want to work in soaps again--otherwise they *usually* are pretty guarded.

I think that is one of the main problems with McTavish - she may tell a great story once, but her replications usually don't work. The original Wildwind saga (great), which started with Angelique, I think had a lot of MM in it... but then shortly afterward, she had no real story for Edmund/Maria, and the addition of Kelsey into the baby saga felt like a poor man's version of Brooke/Adam/Dixie, and Covina felt like a complete crap version of Edmund's struggle to prove he was a Marick.

There are so many points along the way during AMC's history when I wish I could sit down with the head writer or the EP and say, "What was the plan here? Why did you guys change the story? Did you ever think about doing X? What made you decide to do Y?"

The list of things I'd like to know is long, very long.

I actually think interviews with HWs on stories that they wanted to happen, but didn't or had to be changed because of X,Y and Z would be very interesting for one of the magazines to tackle - it would actually make me purchase the magazine.

I think youtube had scenes with Dottie hanging out with Jesse in 1983.. pre-tad

I'm not sure about Dottie and Jesse, but it was Jesse and Jenny who spent the summer together in the low rent apartment with Mrs. Gonzalez as their landlord.

Nico & Cecily were a popular couple. Definitely not as huge as a Angie & Jesse or Jenny & Greg, but still popular.

BTW, why did they divorce? I can't remember.

Off camera, Nico had supposedly cheated on Cecily.

I forget, what brought Cecily back to town in the first place? The Martin housewarming? I remember first seeing her then.

She was getting a divorce from Nico, and was going to stay with Aunt Phoebe, but Pheebs wouldn't let Cecily stay if she wasn't willing to ask Nico for alimony.

Yeah frankly his destruction started under Rayfield if not even a bit before (it was under Rayfield he would love Maria up and feed her drugs). McTavish at her worse is way too eager to do execs bidding, but I doubt it was her decision.

That ELR interview is one I'd never read and just--wow. What an awful situation.

Umm I have most initials down but who is TKFP

That Kit Fisher Person

I always saw Edmund's exit as more due to age and Frons - Edmund was going nuts before McTavish came back.

Ageism was definitely prevalent starting with the Disney invasion and Frons. I don't think it was quite 40 plus, more like 50 and over as the targets.