Keaton

Thanks for the compliment hookedongh. :-) I hope you're wrong and Tracy is on tomorrow. I love it when she and Luke are just honest and open with one another. Not just about their own relationship but about their real thoughts and feelings about various things: Parenthood, marriage, family, the mob, abortion, etc.. I enjoy them alot on a friendship level, not just a romantic level.

Hi fellow Tracy Q fans

I wanted to comment on today's show in light of all the anti-Lacy, anti-Tracy, anti-Luke stuff out on the net. First off: I agree with those that saw Lucky as the good guy today. Tracy lashed out at him for acting disdainful toward his father. But frankly, since Greg Vaughan took over the role I've NEVER thought of Lucky as a self-righteous, judgmental jerk. (Well, except when Lucky was a drug addict and called Lulu a baby killer.) Ironically, I think the far superior Lucky, Jonathan Jackson, FREQUENTLY seemed like a self-righteous, disdainful ass toward his father. Hell, he could be downright contemptuous toward Luke. But GV's Lucky? Not at all. In fact, I think GV's Lucky often appears more interested in getting his Dad's love and approval than judging him.

Here's where I disagree with many posters (both here and on other sites):

I didn't see Luke and Tracy as villians. At least not entirely. I think Luke in particular acted like a real jackass to Lucky. However, Luke seemed geniunely upset when Lucky lashed out at him. Not upset for himself as much as upset that he'd hurt his son. Maybe it's my hardcore Luke/Lucky fandom coloring my viewing, but I really got the impression Luke regretted hurting his son the way he did.

Another disagreement I have is regarding whether it was out of character for Tracy to lash out at Lucky. I don't think Tracy's behavior was out of character. I saw it as example of Tracy's powerful sense of loyalty when she loves someone. Tracy can be horrible to her loved ones. lol. But she's also the greatest ally they could possibly have. She'll defend them even when they don't deserve it. THAT'S how I interpreted her behavior today - as a manifestation of her fierce loyalty to her husband.

RE: Tracy defending Luke as a father.

The truth is Luke WAS a good father to Lucky. Luke was a shitty, neglectful Dad to his daughter - not his son. However, there is such a weird needy vibe among the actors (Geary and Vaughan) that you almost get the impression Luke has been emotionally abusing Lucky and treating him contemptuously his entire life. Not true. Luke practically worshipped JJ's Lucky. Their estrangement began when teen Lucky rejected LUKE after finding out about the rape. (Now I see Luke as almost wary of his own son - afraid his son will emotionally knife him again.) I'm not saying Luke's attitude about Lucky's career choice is OK. In fact, I think it's pretty crappy. (Particularly when it leads him to implictly pick a conman over his own child.) However, I almost wonder if Luke sees it as another example of Lucky's rejection. It's almost like after he found out about the rape Lucky made it his mission to be the anti-Luke in every way possible. He went from being a Luke mini-me to being his polar opposite.

Lastly, I don't think Luke treated Tracy like an emotional punching bag. He very gently told her he didn't want her involved in his conflict with Lucky. He wasn't harsh. He didn't say butt out, your opinion doesn't matter. He used a soft tone. I only wish he'd told her "I appreciate you defending me." I guess we'll see if I'm right tomorrow.

So anyway, I saw Luke as the biggest jerk today, but in the end a very remorseful jerk. I saw Tracy as a very fierce and loyal wife that kind of over stepped her bounds. I saw Lucky as the hurt, rejected outsider that was only looking out for his Dad. And I saw Ethan as the REAL outsider (in the end Luke's concern was with his own son, not Ethan. He snapped at the kid.) Maybe I'm nuts but I actually LIKED today and still like all three characters (Luke, Tracy and Lucky.)

Either focus on her or let her go and not make her feel second ALL of the time.

One small point: Luke wasn't throwing his feelings for Laura in TRACY'S face yesterday. He was responding to Sonny's statement that he was envious of how united Luke and Laura seemed to be. That particular conversation didn't seem unrealistic to me. When people remarry they generally don't yammer all the time about their ex-spouses to their current ones. BUT they'll talk to friends and family about their former spouses. That's not weird. Especially when people get together after 60 years. It would actually be more unrealistic if they NEVER spoke of their past relationships IMO.

I understand your point and I do think Luke is definitely guilty of what you're suggesting. But not yesterday.

I was actually just coming here to add to my previous post that I don't blame anyone for being upset with yesterday's scenes. I was just offering a different perspective.

Oh and pinkpopsicle? "No Turning Back" was hotness personified. DAYUM. I loved it.

The only thing making me want to watch is that i want to see how he said everything he said, what kind of look did he have on his face when he was calling her second best?

That's the thing. I think everyone SHOULD watch those scenes and decide for themselves. To me, it was like he was talking about two completely different lives. Laura WAS the love of his life. There's no doubt about it. And yes, as painful as it is to hear him say it, if he'd had the choice he would've been married to her forever. But the thing I found really striking was HOW he spoke of his relationships with Laura and Tracy. I didn't feel any schmoopsy, sentimentality when he spoke of Laura. It was more like he was looking back in time and had a que sera sera, matter of fact attitude. That is, it's simply a fact that Laura changed his life the moment he met her. It's simply a fact that he never experienced anything like that before or since. There was no wistfulness and most importantly there was no joy or happiness. In contrast, he smiled and kind of laughed when he spoke of Tracy. The message I GOT was that this woman, this REMARKABLE woman (as he put it) makes him pretty damn happy. Of course maybe I was just too distracted by those monster coffee cups he and Sonny were drinking out of to really get the tone of the scene. They looked like soup bowls!!

I swear at this rate NO ONE is going to be happy. Luke and Laura fans are pissed because Luke has said Tracy is the first woman that's really challenged him and marrying her was the smartest thing he ever did. LuNacy fans are pissed that Luke still calls Laura his greatest love and in the same conversation refers to Tracy as a "remarkable woman" and someone that's "suited" for him. I don't know which way TIIC plan to go with this story. They seem to be playing both sides and losing on both fronts.

Tracy had a few really good zingers in today. The only one I can remember off the top my head was "Everytime you open your mouth you fall into a deeper abyss of dumb" LOLOLOL.

The tone of the scene was interesting. Luke finds Tracy at the bar drinking her troubles away. She seems depressed and fears she's turned into some kind of doormat because of him. She's angry at him obviously. He isn't warm and fuzzy in response. Instead he reminds her of all the bad crap she's pulled in the past. But it isn't accusatory. It's more like a tough love pep talk. lol. The tone is more like "Buck up woman! You're a badass. Don't wallow in self pity." By the second scene he has her cheered up and smiling. The piece de resistance for LuNacy fans: Luke tells her that marrying her may be the smartest thing he ever did. ;-)

These two have such an interesting relationship. They are NOT a sentimental, traditional love story and I really LOVE that about them.

I don't think Luke has to tell Tracy about the rape. She was in town at the time and everyone found out after Scott punched Luke over the side of the yacht, and Luke and Laura went on the run.

When Luke didn't resurface, Scott was arrested for killing him (another reason Scott should hate Laura rather than love her, IMO). He told the police that he did it because he found out that Luke had raped Laura.

The whole thing was well publicized because after a few days when Laura disappeared & Luke's body didn't surface, the police suspected Luke kidnapped Laura. They printed their pictures in all the papers, etc, so the whole story was out.

Actually MagicHappens, Scott and everyone else in town assumed Luke and Laura were having an affair at that time. That's why Scott was angry at Laura as much as he was angry at LUKE that day. He'd found a goodbye letter Laura had written to Luke and based on the tone of that letter jumped to the conclusion that Laura had cried rape in an attempt to mask her affair with Luke.

So my point is, not everyone in town knows the real story. These are the people who definitely know:

Bobbie (because Luke confessed to her), Scott (somehow put the pieces together later on), Nik (because the Cassadines found out somehow), Lucky (because Nik told him), Liz (because Lucky told her) and Emily (because apparently the 4 muskateers tell each other everything).

Hi fellow Tracy lovers!

I loved the little kiss today between Luke and our girl. The look on his face when she pushed him away was priceless. I liked how she GOT to him. He's affected by her and her charms.

Tracy intrigues and interests him more than any other woman I've seen him paired with.

One of the things I really love about this pairing (despite all the assy things Luke has pulled) is that it's OBVIOUS that he just plain ENJOYS her. He think's she's a hoot. She gets his attention. (That's huge, because he gets bored easily.) She's earned his respect. (That's also big because Luke IS a tad bit arrogant. He doesn't respect just ANYONE. Titles of authority, for example, mean nothing to him.

I guess I just enjoy seeing someone actually appreciate her for who she is.

I also wanted to share these results from the Soapzone voting booth poll:

The most entertaining pair/couple out of these is: -- 259 votes

91 (35.1%) Luke and Tracy

58 (22.4%) Alexis and Sonny

49 (18.9%) Lulu and Spinelli

19 (7.3%) Monica and Alan *sniff*

17 (6.6%) Jax and Carly

16 (6.2%) Lorenzo and Ric

5 (1.9%) Pete and Patrick

4 (1.5%) Georgie and Maxie

I love it when other people enjoy them too. Go LuNacy!!!

*waves to Keaton* Feel free to come post with us.

Thank you Ms. Quartmaine. I hope you feel the same way after I say: I loved the Laura return story. <gulp>

I actually think the contrast between Tracy/Luke and Laura/Luke was compelling as hell. I'm not upset that Luke wasn't declaring his eternal love for Tracy and giving her the same starry-eyed looks he gave Laura. The Tracy/Luke dynamic is totally different from the Luke/Laura dynamic, but just as powerful IMO. He treats Tracy as his equal, a person he respects and trusts. Luke may love Laura, but he has a much more adult, real and HONEST relationship with Tracy. I hate how he's hurt Tracy, but I don't think he's trying to be callous to her and her feelings. Unfortunately, he's over-estimating her toughness and under-estimating the depth of her feelings for him. At the same time, he's still engulfed in a 25 plus year obsessive need to protect Laura from any and all harm. And this obsession largely stems from guilt (e.g. the rape, stealing Laura away from a safe life as Mrs. Scotty Baldwin, driving her to a breakdown, etc.)

Sorry for being such a Luke apologist in the Tracy Quartermaine thread - lol. Let me just say, I UNDERSTAND Luke, but I don't think all his behavior is excusable. He should be damn grateful to Tracy. Not only did she keep her mouth shut about their marriage but she's also been a damn good FRIEND to him. I don't think Tracy has treated ANYONE as kindly as she's treated Luke. (You can tell that she loves the guy.) Anyway, I'm still aboard the LuNacy bus for a couple of reasons: First, I think Luke honestly respects, likes and cares for her. I don't think any of her other husbands even LIKED her. He isn't contemptuous of her in the least. Secondly, I don't think Tracy is being humiliated in this relationship. I love good angsty, soap relationships but I draw the line at humiliation (e.g. Sonny's "whore, slut, tramp", etc, Ric's blatant and unrepentant adultery with his stepdaughter while his wife battles cancer, etc) Tracy's been HURT by Luke, but I don't think he intends to humiliate and demean her. I'm sure alot of you disagree (dons armour. LuNacy may never be a fairytale love story but I think they still have the makings of a fun, sexy, ADULT love story.

**waves to Keaton who is lurking**

**waves back at nex4evr**