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The last pairing that was going somewhere for me with Sonny was the original Kate.  After that it has been over a decade of misfires, while he also has aged considerably and is not capable of selling Sonny as sex symbol.  I’m not saying an older person cannot be sexy- they can and are.  He just doesn’t seem to be into it anymore.

 

Maurice is best as an actor when he is tortured.  Barking orders at everyone and strutting around town was never his best work.  He, like Genie Francis, plays suffering really well.  It’s why they make her do it all the time.

 

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Basic Betty looks great. For someone who had a coke induced heart attack.

Everyone showing up at GH. To offer :Laura and Dante support was nice.

This is so silly at this point.

These two trying to act.

It's great to see Tracy back.

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1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I disagree about Jason. I would keep him over Sonny.

 

Maurice IMO can work in a secondary position as a lapsed patriarch. He was moving into it under Guza and despite endless complaining over the years, he took a lot of tougher stuff for Sonny and he'll keep taking it if people stand up to him more often. He's too old to flex, he'll either quit or hang around. Steve will never accept not being the prime protagonist, does not want Jason to evolve or be challenged, and unlike Mo I don't think he'd ever accept story against his wishes, preferably story which moves Jason into law enforcement/WSB (preferably a plea deal) or closer to the Quartermaines. So Steve is the one I'd more readily dispose of.

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1 hour ago, victoria foxton said:

Basic Betty looks great. For someone who had a coke induced heart attack.

Everyone showing up at GH. To offer :Laura and Dante support was nice.

This is so silly at this point.

These two trying to act.

It's great to see Tracy back.

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I do have to say that these last few weeks have been better then normal. I really enjoyed the show today.

 

Mo/Sonny is just done. He wasn’t even convincing in those scenes today. I’m hoping that they run with the Sam wanting out of the mob life storyline. That would actually give her and Jason something to do as a couple. 

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10 hours ago, Faulkner said:

Sonny tapping his little finger on that guy’s head while Jason holds him down is ridiculous. This is supposed to be menacing? At least threaten to gouge his eyes out or something...


Nice to see Tracy again, though.


That finger tapping at the head was completely absurd. I couldn5 believe he did it once, let alone three times. WTF???

5 hours ago, AlexElizabeth said:

Somebody actually let deVry get in front of the camera with that hair today. Wow.


I actually thought DeVry looked better with that hair than he has since he had a buzz cut.

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On 11/29/2020 at 4:20 PM, titan1978 said:

I absolutely agree that Labine wrote Luke well, I don’t care that Tony hated it.  He was the same Luke, just grown up and back down to earth.  He still was impulsive, and reckless, and I never felt that father of the year crap he always complained about.  Lucky seemed like the kid they would have had- Luke’s spunk and grit mixed with Laura’s empathy and loyalty.

 

I don’t think Claire did that well by Laura though.  Laura was also impulsive and liked danger.  And I get she had kids now and had changed, but she kind of became a cliche a little under Labine, especially towards the end of their run.  I did think they nailed a grown up Laura in the beginning of their run.  I think it was by the time they got to the Puerto Rico story she had become the little lady left behind all the time that I really noticed it, then her kicking him out after the shootout and their getting back together felt like why did we even break them up?
 

I thought the first year of Guza was an excellent period of time for Laura.  It was all about her for the first time in ages, and Luke was not the center of her stories.  First she had the murder of Damian Smith trial, then Lulu’s illness leading the the return of the Cassadines.  After that it was all about Luke or Lucky again until she started having those flashbacks in the attic that lead to her catatonic state.

 

Excellent points about Laura. Was more-so talking about Laura's initial return and giving her that house, and eventually Mary Mae as a surrogate mother, etc. It was great. But I do agree it lacked later on and it was a lot of Luke and then Lucky. I didn't love everything about Labine, all the time, truthfully, but the characters felt real, the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

I know they probably wanted some conflict but Laura as the 'little woman' left behind was kind of insulting and not the best writing, considering Laura's history. I felt the same later on when it seemed like they had no idea what to do with Felicia.

 

I didn't think of it in the context I do now, in regards to Laura being 'left behind'. Good point there. I also imagine they worried about Laura looking bad abandoning her kids to run off and help Luke. It should have been natural conflict between them.

 

Guza did seem to write for Laura. I guess I didn't notice it as starkly at the time and it's been so long since I've rewatched any of it.

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10 hours ago, ranger1rg said:


That finger tapping at the head was completely absurd. I couldn5 believe he did it once, let alone three times. WTF???


I actually thought DeVry looked better with that hair than he has since he had a buzz cut.

 

LOL Mumbles Benard is so awful. It's embarrassing. 

 

I thought DeVry looked better too! lol 

On 11/29/2020 at 4:18 PM, ironlion said:

GH had some major improvements under Ron's tenure but it mellowed out after 2014ish. I didnt give the show too much attention up until Jason's return. There was some steam there but that too plateaued. 

 

Jason's character has been so boring since he came back. I'd like to see him and Sam broken up, he and Sonny in some sort of rift. Whatever can add some life to that orbit.

 

Yeah, between the ABC/Prospect Park [!@#$%^&*], Todd/Starr/McBain, 2014 and then 2015 were hot messes. HOT messes. The wheels fell off and honestly didn't recover. It also became a lot of "here's Y&R stars we stole! Look at Billy Miller! Look at Michelle Stafford!" and now, six years later, neither are here. Of course Nina's "legacy lives on" (gag)

 

Jason's return got me interested again in 2017 and there was definitely some momentum but it totally petered out (EDIT: reminds me of 2019 with Nikolas and Brook Lynn returning; the show had momentum and then petered out) and the show was afraid to really play the Sam/Drew/Jason triangle. It's clear Sam and Jason shouldn't be together. Sam has grown up. Jason still wants to be Sonny's bitch. Can we get a scene of Liz telling Sam "see bitch, told you". Didn't Sam judge the HELL out of Liz under Guza?

 

Speaking of that, I agree it's time to shake that orbit up. Jason/Sonny/Carly/Sam is stale. It's not cute. Jason isn't a confused 20 year old anymore. Sonny isn't slightly charming anymore. None of it works. Carly as their enabler works the most, weirdly.

 

I think under better writers (and less catering to Burton and Benard), Jason and Sonny could be much better characters and I do think they have earned a place on the show. I have to say that Sonny is the more tired of the two, IMO. Mumbles is checking out and he's painful to watch. Burton seems afraid to do anything but Stone Cold. Still.

 

I agree with others that they just gave up on finding a love interest for Sonny not named Brenda and stuck him and Carly together. Really don't understand how they became so "untouchable" though. It's such a toxic relationship. It weirdly works but also doesn't at the same time. I see a lot of Brenda in the writing for Laura's Carly mixed with some OG Carly. It's weird.

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@KMan101I think CarSon is "untouchable" because Frank can't be bothered with them as a pairing or individuals but knows he can't get rid of them.  He just deals with them because of Benard.  LW and Benard are going down with this ship so Frank allows them to believe they are the patriarch and matriarch of GH.  I watch about twice a month and neither really has a story and haven't for quite some time.  Back in the day, they would have been toast.  

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19 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

@KMan101I think CarSon is "untouchable" because Frank can't be bothered with them as a pairing or individuals but knows he can't get rid of them.  He just deals with them because of Benard.  LW and Benard are going down with this ship so Frank allows them to believe they are the patriarch and matriarch of GH.  I watch about twice a month and neither really has a story and haven't for quite some time.  Back in the day, they would have been toast.  

 

I am not really sure where you can go with Sonny and Carly.  They are past the point of a 3rd party love interest not named Brenda.  Maybe they could put Jax into the mix, but the show isn't really going there.  Carly has picked up some Brenda characteristics along the way and lost a lot of what made Carly different.

I agree that LW and MB are in it for the long haul, so the easiest thing to do is just keep them together.  It's true they don't really have a story, they are just inserted to others.  I think it's just a lazy way to keep a mildly popular couple together.  LW does try, but MB can clearly care less about the Carson pairing.  He doesn't even pretend to be into it.  But the last time I thought MB was into a performance was probably 2011-2012 when his marriage to Brenda broke up and some of the Kate/Connie stuff.  I guess he tried with the Mike stuff too.

I think the show could easily pair LW back up with Ingo, but Sonny doesn't really have anywhere to go.

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1 hour ago, ChitHappens said:

@KMan101I think CarSon is "untouchable" because Frank can't be bothered with them as a pairing or individuals but knows he can't get rid of them.  He just deals with them because of Benard.  LW and Benard are going down with this ship so Frank allows them to believe they are the patriarch and matriarch of GH.  I watch about twice a month and neither really has a story and haven't for quite some time.  Back in the day, they would have been toast.  

 

That makes complete sense, actually. I can see that. 

59 minutes ago, OzFrog said:

I loved that moment between Laura and Tracy in the hospital. Those two have come very very far over the years!

 

They really have. It was such a nice moment. And I did like how Monica and the others rallied around Laura and Dante. It felt like GH.

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59 minutes ago, carolineg said:

 

I am not really sure where you can go with Sonny and Carly.  They are past the point of a 3rd party love interest not named Brenda.  Maybe they could put Jax into the mix, but the show isn't really going there.  Carly has picked up some Brenda characteristics along the way and lost a lot of what made Carly different.

I agree that LW and MB are in it for the long haul, so the easiest thing to do is just keep them together.  It's true they don't really have a story, they are just inserted to others.  I think it's just a lazy way to keep a mildly popular couple together.  LW does try, but MB can clearly care less about the Carson pairing.  He doesn't even pretend to be into it.  But the last time I thought MB was into a performance was probably 2011-2012 when his marriage to Brenda broke up and some of the Kate/Connie stuff.  I guess he tried with the Mike stuff too.

I think the show could easily pair LW back up with Ingo, but Sonny doesn't really have anywhere to go.

 

I'd seriously like to see if lightning strikes twice and bring in David Andrew MacDonald (Edmund, Guiding Light) and pair him with LW.  Let him be the teacher who took advantage of Carly when she was 16 but she's drawn to him now.  Their chemistry on GL was just cruel!  I'd give just about anything to see them together again.  

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