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Angelica McDaniel OUT! (CBS Daytime)

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7 hours ago, xtr said:

 

I don't think that Lola is very popular on social media. She/K o l a get a lot of hate whenever the CBS accounts post something about him. I was looking at an instagram post about them recently. that had several hundred posts and most of them were overwhelming negative. There were a lot of people even attacking Sasha Calle personally. A lot of people do not like Lola/K o l a and they had the lowest ranked wedding. That episode was the last in total viewers for the week. Summer/Kyle's wedding, Rey and Mia's vow renewal from earlier in the year had better ratings than  K o l a's wedding. Even Billy/Victoria's commitment  ceremony in June performed better than K o l a's wedding. Billy and Victoria unlike K o la managed to hit a 3.0 for their ceremony episode and was the highest ranked episode of that week.

 

K o l a is not very popular on Social Media and they are heavily disliked on several different soap sites. I frequent/post/lurk on several soap sites. Kyle and Lola are heavily disliked on Twitter, Instagram, Soapcentral, soaps.com, (Soaps.com had a support group type of thread where people gathered to talk about personal things while they refused to watch the wedding. And there were several people participating in that thread) Daytime  Royalty and this site. And I think I may be forgetting one, lol.

 

Rey has some fans and some people like him with Sharon.  But a lot of people don't like him either.  Y&R may have had issues before the Rosales showed up, but I think  the heavy focus on them has been to the detriment of this show. 

I didn't say very popular lol, they have a dedicated fanbase, they along with Elena and Devon are the tops winning all the online polls  Ones a cop, ones married to a core character, neither are hogging eppy counts, I don't see them going anywhere!  

 

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22 minutes ago, rlj said:

I didn't say very popular lol, they have a dedicated fanbase, they along with Elena and Devon are the tops winning all the online polls  Ones a cop, ones married to a core character, neither are hogging eppy counts, I don't see them going anywhere!  

 

https://twitter.com/Team_Shey

 

Devon and Elena aren't that popular either. Lord knows I wish they were for Bryton's sake but I just don't see it for them. They've got a few organized stans and most folks aren't bothered by them but they are nowhere near having the buzz that Hevon had. 

 

The show won't keep Kyle in that pairing with Lola. They see him as the younger generation lead. TPTB will eventually look for bigger for him. I wish they had kept Loren Lott and given her an opportunity alongside Mealer. 

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9 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Devon and Elena aren't that popular either. Lord knows I wish they were for Bryton's sake but I just don't see it for them. They've got a few organized stans and most folks aren't bothered by them but they are nowhere near having the buzz that Hevon had. 

 

The show won't keep Kyle in that pairing with Lola. They see him as the younger generation lead. TPTB will eventually look for bigger for him. I wish they had kept Loren Lott and given her an opportunity alongside Mealer. 

 

While I've always been a Fen/Ana fan, I said in the very beginning after Loren first showed up, that I also would have been fine with an Ana/Kyle pairing. Lola doesn't work for him. (Or in general) She drags him down. At this point with Angelica being gone, I wouldn't be surprised if Josh revisited Kyle/Summer. It looks like they are already teasing stuff with them. Now with the record low ratings for K o l a' s wedding and Angelica gone, maybe Josh will this as an opportunity to reunite them. Especially since it seems like the show hasn't really given Theo's character much direction. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Remember, weeks ago, I posted about the Viacom/CBS reunification and mused about how CBS Daytime could be affected? 

When I was in grad school at [redacted] in NYC, we had to read the trade papers because these business decisions do affect the creative ones, that is how it works.  If this comes as a shock to you, then you haven't been reading what has been going on.  I knew that Angelica McDaniel would not be long for CBS Daytime, there were changes and the continual ratings fall under her watch has been dramatic.

What I can't figure out is, why is Steve Kent still there?  He's been there to witness the entire ratings cascade, which began before McDaniel took the position and Kent has generally been a toxic presence.  He should be shown the door as well.

 

I don't know what to say.  I gave up on the show over a year ago.  There's nothing that I've seen in clips or read in spoilers or summaries that would get me to watch again.  Shows like Y&R can't just rely on viewer loyalty to maintain ratings when the stories are just not there to keep viewers tuned in.

 

So, do you think Viacom/CBS might decide to cut their losses and just give up on its Daytime lineup completely -- giving affiliates total control over programming between the end of CBS This Morning up until CBS Evening News?

 

Not a big fan of McDaniel, but she was committed to CBS Daytime as an entity and to keeping soaps on there (unlike Frons). Having said that, like you, I haven't seen Y&R in months. I used to be ride-or-die for that soap! And now... 

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This won't have a major impact on the falling ratings and Griffith's terrible work. His first stint on the show predated Angelica, and it was in the vein of the same boring trash we have now. 

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49 minutes ago, Cat said:

So, do you think Viacom/CBS might decide to cut their losses and just give up on its Daytime lineup completely -- giving affiliates total control over programming between the end of CBS This Morning up until CBS Evening News?

 

I don't think CBS will give affiliates TOTAL control.  However, I do see them throwing in the proverbial towel eventually for B&B and Y&R.  Under those circumstances, "CBS This Morning" would expand another 30-60 minutes, while the remaining time will be handed over to another celebrity chatfest.

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1 hour ago, Cat said:

So, do you think Viacom/CBS might decide to cut their losses and just give up on its Daytime lineup completely -- giving affiliates total control over programming between the end of CBS This Morning up until CBS Evening News?

 

Not a big fan of McDaniel, but she was committed to CBS Daytime as an entity and to keeping soaps on there (unlike Frons). Having said that, like you, I haven't seen Y&R in months. I used to be ride-or-die for that soap! And now... 

 

I think that, as in the case of all M&A (Mergers & Acquisitions) someone has been going line by line and looking at non-performing and under-performing Divisions and seeking to make cuts where they can to create a "leaner" corporation.  That's from the financial "numbers" side of things.  There is also the production/creative side which is more complicated.

 

I don't think CBS/Viacom will seek to take a hacksaw to the Daytime division (or what's left of it), it will be more like using a scalpel.  I don't see them trying to make radical changes right away (especially in light of recent renewals) but I do think you could see some financial tensions there as the remnants of the Daytime division might be made to justify its costs vs. the ratings numbers.  I know viewers complain that what they see onscreen already seems to reflect a tight budget and perhaps, the bean counters at the network may agree in the short-term that the budget is already lean.  Perhaps you could also see some cast cuts and changes down the road.  I haven't been watching enough of the show over the past year to truly know how possible changes can manifest themselves. 

 

Perhaps it only means that the remnants of the Daytime division will get "folded" into another larger Division and become part of that.

 

It will be interesting to see what becomes of this and what further changes come to be. I do know that McDaniel, Kent and a subsequent cavalcade of underwhelming head writing and production regimes are not blameless in this situation-- they all had their part to play in this. 

 

Daytime TV, especially daytime drama has not learned how to adapt over decades, the industry hasn't even learned how to preserve what was special about the genre while moving to adopt aspects of the changing times that we live in.  I don't care how loyal you believe your viewers are, that was never going to be a recipe for success. 

 

I also know that CBS/Viacom, like a lot of other networks and production companies, wants to invest in more original programming, they've been getting acclaim for some of their limited series lately (like The Red Line) and many of their shows that started out on CBS All Access have been branching out to the CBS Network (e.g. The Good Fight).  It may not happen all at once or in the immediate future but CBS/Viacom is definitely seeking ways to go into new directions creatively, away from the Les Moonves model of more "traditional" looking programming (i.e. white male centered shows).  Y&R should be concerned that almost none of their storylines are female driven-- if they want to show their "worth", they could begin there but we know that they don't really have the creative ingenuity to do this or at least, they have failed to show that they have this capability creatively. 

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the problem with the remaining Rosales clan is that you can't have a bunch of squeaky clean characters jump in a basket of bad eggs, meanwhile continue to have them remain above the fray, because it makes the established characters looks awful by comparison and it makes people have to look at themselves, their choices,  likes and dislikes, and how much of a mess that is in broad daylight... people don't want to hear or see all that. LOL Rey and Lola are basically saints on the Y&R canvas of popular sinners. They have this secret Kyle is keeping, and his drive to keep it secret is not disappointing saint Lola, an peeps ain't here for that because we haven't been SHOWN how saintly Lola is, only been told, but are shown a very iffy character with questionable morals AT BEST.

 

tbh, I honestly feel like this pairing/Lola's character would have been a lot more successful if she had ended it with Kyle when she found out the lengths he went to to get her a kidney. That's pretty disgusting behaviour, so the fact that Lola took him back ad forgave him, but we're supposed to believe ish he did before he even knew her and was a "bad boy" factors into their relationship, now? Really, girl? 

 

it's like they want Lola to be a B&B Hope-like paragon of virtue character, but have shown us nothing to support that. Like, we've been SHOWN numerous times Hope making sacrifices for other people, because she's supposed to be that "good" but what have we been shown of Lola? lol

 

like, I'm pretty sure Arturo was the most popular Rosales, and even Mia was more popular than Rey and Lola... but they're both gone. 🙄

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I find it so fitting that McDaniel was shown the door on the eve of her favorite show, The Talk’s new season starting Monday. The weak link on CBS daytime, The Talk, was her pride & joy and the only show on the schedule that she cared about. She knew nothing about soaps and interfered with Y&R to the point that no one could succeed with her interference. And CBS is not replacing McDaniel, which tells me that someone finally woke up and realized that she contributed nothing to the network. Karma. Justice. It’s a happy day. 

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I'm all for Y&R (and other soaps) becoming more inclusive in the kinds of characters and stories that they feature.  However, they botched the introduction of the Rosales clan big time; and I think the blame for that lies squarely at Angelica McD's feet.  In attempting to introduce a Hispanic family onto Y&R's mostly white canvas, she (or her writers) forgot that even a Hispanic family needs to be interesting at the end of the day.

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2 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

Eh online polls can be robovoted, I don't put much stock in them nor SID polls given on that one you can vote for character's who are no longer couples

 

Richard is puppet. I don't believe his polls at all. Whatever couple the show wants to push ends up on the poll. 

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28 minutes ago, Khan said:

I'm all for Y&R (and other soaps) becoming more inclusive in the kinds of characters and stories that they feature.  However, they botched the introduction of the Rosales clan big time; and I think the blame for that lies squarely at Angelica McD's feet.  In attempting to introduce a Hispanic family onto Y&R's mostly white canvas, she (or her writers) forgot that even a Hispanic family needs to be interesting at the end of the day.

 

AnHellica wanted to tell her story thru this Lola person.  Pure poor girl with admirable values (embellished, of course) meeting and marrying her white prince.   It's a fail and I'm glad she's gone.  For someone who loves the genre, she sure couldn't get her ass out of the way and let writers do their jobs!  

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