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6 minutes ago, danfling said:

Three questions:

 

When Search for Tomorrow expanded from fifteen minutes to thirty minutes, who was producing the show?   Who was the writer at the time?

 

Also, I know that Luci Ferri was producing The Guiding Light when it (at the same time) was expanded and moved.   Who was/were the writer(s)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiding_Light#Head_writers_and_executive_producers

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Joe Ainley and Carl Waster both co-produced The Guiding Light  with actor David Lesan.  (Mr. Ainley from 1936-1952, and Mr. Waster, I assume, only on the radio version).     I have never heard of them.   Does anyone know anything about these two men?  I do see that Mr. Ainley was an actor as well as a producer.

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On 5/6/2019 at 2:26 PM, Vee said:

I seriously doubt it was ever rewritten. I don't think Jessica not being Viki's was ever going to be the final outcome. I think the planned outcome was what we ended up getting: Both Jessica and Natalie are Viki's daughters. I'd heard about that reveal (and Mitch's return) months before it aired, and I'd suspected it long before that.

 

The originally planned ultimate outcome was, how it ended... except it wasn't initially envisioned to wait an entire decade.

On 5/6/2019 at 1:55 PM, Khan said:

It would have depended on which HW she had to work with, though.  If she had had someone like Lorraine Broderick as her HW, then maybe (she would have been good at GL).  Chances are, however, Francesca James would have been stuck with someone like Megan McTavish or Brown & Esensten.

 

Case in point: All My Children with Francesca James & Broderick in 1997....  then James & McTavish in 1998. Wow, was that an awful "WTF" year.

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13 hours ago, YurSoakinginit said:

 

The originally planned ultimate outcome was, how it ended... except it wasn't initially envisioned to wait an entire decade.

 

Case in point: All My Children with Francesca James & Broderick in 1997....  then James & McTavish in 1998. Wow, was that an awful "WTF" year.

 

How in the heck did McTavish ever manage to keep being rehired as a HW?  I don't think there is one soap she was the HW on that I thought she was a good fit for.  Okay, her brand of over the top stuff might have worked a  little better on Days, but her stints on GH, AMC, and GL weren't very good. 

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Megan McTavish and Dena Higley were two HW's who kept getting re-hired, because they knew how to pitch ideas to the network (or, in GL's case, the sponsor) that sounded terrific, but needed strong day-to-day writing to make them work.  That is always where they (and others) fell down.

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I get why she was hired at GL in the 90's, her first run on AMC wasn't bad.   But, everything else after that I don't get.  Because to me that tenure on GL was pretty terrible, although I do think a lot of that was decent ideas that weren't executed well.  I mean there is no pitch in the world that could make Josh, the walking abortion, seem like compelling storytelling.

 

 

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If I'm honest, some of her first AMC stint was quite ridiculous too - because it sure as hell wasn't Wisner Washam or Agnes Nixon's AMC. However, I think Felecia Minei Behr, Agnes Nixon, and a team of wonderful scriptwriters were there to save her ass for a long period of time. If anything, her other stints at AMC and on other soaps proved that when she no longer had superior talent to cover her, she quickly went off the rails and there was little innate talent there. 

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45 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

If I'm honest, some of her first AMC stint was quite ridiculous too - because it sure as hell wasn't Wisner Washam or Agnes Nixon's AMC.

 

Thank you.  I've felt the exact same way for decades.  IDC how "riveting" Kendall's introduction or Natalie-in-the-well was for many.  To me, those storylines were sooooo not AMC.  In retrospect, it was all too indicative of how much the network and others had begun to interfere.

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This thread seems to be turning into one about the writers of the shows, not the executive producers.   If one wants to recognize a soap opera creator/writer/actress who was often hired but later dismissed and not asked back again, look at Margaret DePriest.

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Except, Maggie DePriest was asked back at ANOTHER WORLD.  It was during her second HW'ing stint, in fact, that she (and then-EP JFP) killed off Frankie Frame.

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On 4/9/2019 at 10:59 PM, danfling said:

I find it odd that Christopher Goutman is being mentioned for his work on As the World Turns, but not for his work on Another World.

At AW at the end Goutman almost saved the show. He came so close to doing so that the Head Honchos moved up their deadlines & cancelled AW before they had said they would. Even before the show celebrated its annual fan club & anniversary! By the time Goutman had done his best, AW had better ratings than did Sunset Beach. But, Susan D. Lee, from NBC, gave Sunset Beach a 6 month extension & cancelled AW outright with only a month to finish things up. This was something no one could understand. Goutman wept. So did everyone else at the show. However, something different happened at ATWT. Someone I know who was on the team at both shows at the end said to me that around 2004-2005 Goutman went over to the dark side whatever that means. That is also when he gave that Q&A to Digest where he said he knew full well what his show needed & he didn't want or need fan mail or calls to the office. Then, of course, he burned Martha like crazy.

On 5/22/2019 at 9:02 PM, Khan said:

Except, Maggie DePriest was asked back at ANOTHER WORLD.  It was during her second HW'ing stint, in fact, that she (and then-EP JFP) killed off Frankie Frame.

And, Susan D. Lee, who also had part to do with the murder of Frankie. I think that it was about 4 months after that when NBC fired Susan D. Lee. Served her right! Some of us had a party!

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31 minutes ago, Donna B said:

Someone I know who was on the team at both shows at the end said to me that around 2004-2005 Goutman went over to the dark side.

If I recall correctly Chris Goutman & Marcia McCabe got their divorce about then & personal turmoil always seems to add into conflict.

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On 4/9/2019 at 4:48 PM, Emma1420 said:

So I've been thinking for the soaps that were cancelled who the worst executive producers ended up being?

 

For years, I blamed the demise of shows like OLTL and GL on JFP.  However, recently I've changed my mind.  She made some mistakes (killing Maureen, etc.), but I don't think she was the most destructive force on those shows.  For me the worst EP on any soap is and always has been Ellen Wheeler.   Ellen Wheeler destroyed any production values that GL ever had.  She took a struggling show and ground it into dust.

 

So I was wondering what other EP's have I missed as being destructive and show destroying? 

 

 

At the end of AW, both Charlotte Savitz and JFP were miserable, terrible EPs. Goutman was a good one. (There was a  mess of HWs.) At GL & at OLTL JFP was a miserable terrible EP. At ATWT Goutman was a miserable, terrible EP. It's very hard to rank Paul Rauch. Very early on, he was great, but he didn't maintain that. Great at AW but a mess at OLTL. And, then, at the end of his life, he was working avidly to find a new venue for GL! John Conboy was awful & hired the terrible Ellen Weston as HW & overspent his budget leaving a deficit for Wheeler. Me, everyone knows I love Wheeler. She gave us 2-4 years we would not have had otherwise & she gave us Otalia & Jammy. She solved the money problems that Conboy left behind. She gave us Kreizman, Lucky, Dunn & Jill Lorie Hurst. She went along with CBS & what they wanted her to do with the new production model. She did a way better job than Goutman did at ATWT. If it is true that Barbara Bloom loved Wheeler as some people say, well, some people also say that GL was Bloom's favorite soap. If those 2 things are both true, I can only wish that Bloom had done more to save GL. And, like I've said that at the End Days of AW, everyone was crying. At GL, in the End Days, everyone was crying there, too. Zimmer just wanted to be derisive of Wheeler's crying in her book, but Wheeler was too classy a lady to write a book. Maybe someone else from the team will write theirs because Zimmer cried at the drop of a pin!  She still does cry like crazy even if it's just someone from the soap press or pre-production.

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On 9/25/2019 at 7:17 PM, John said:

I thought they were still married

from the IMDb:

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Christopher Goutman was born on December 19, 1952 in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, USA. He is a producer and director, known for As the World Turns (1956), All My Children (1970) and The Prowler (1981). He was previously married to Marcia McCabe.

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