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15 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

I believe that her being taken advantage the first time around, has just made her really cautious about being a public songwriter going forward. From what I understand she already signed her rights away to previous songs in the past and I think that anything she writes going forward she would get credit for.  But she's just hesitant to work as a songwriter publicly because she was burned in the past. Though,  I'm sure if Devon knew she was the songwriter, he would take whatever steps possible to protect her and her work. 

Right. That’s why it doesn’t make much sense to me, unless she has zero trust in Devon. Just seems like a flimsy excuse poorly contrived by the writers to create conflict.

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1 hour ago, Darn said:

 

I started fast forwarding the Devon/Nate/Ana scene when Nate started talking about Malcolm because the actor playing Nate has no charisma, isn't attractive and seems totally listless. And I was upset by no mention of Dru.

 

Dru loved Devon fiercely and is the only reason he has a family now but they don't allow him to mention Dru at all. I get that they hate Victoria Rowell but Dru was such an important character to the canvas and a large part of why the Winters are as prominent as they are today and she's been dead for 10 years.

 

The Jack and Dina scenes were great though. Y'all hate on Peter Bergman but at least he tries and isn't resting on his laurels like most actors left on soaps who have been doing this mess for 30-40 years.

 

He's definitely unattractive. But in his scenes with Victor on today's show, I started to like him. 

 

I'm largely over how the show ignores Dru. They'll never bring the character back or discuss her in the manner they should. 

 

However, it's silly that Devon and Bates kinship should go through Winters men versus Barber women. Both connections are valid though. So it's not like it was some huge reach. 

 

Lola is a ridiculous character. They are doing all they can to show she's not a golddigger. Won't matter to many viewers anyway.  

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I enjoyed the Fen and Ana scenes today. I like him figuring out that she was the songwriter of his demo and her opening up to him about her past as a songwriter. I am glad to see them establishing a connection with each other. I liked the looks he was giving her and I believe they will eventually fall for each other and get together. He was already chasing after her a little and trying to get her to give him some of her time.  (Though they may have Fen try to date Lola first. especially with her "breaking up" with Kyle.)

 

Speaking of Lola, her reaction to the purse was OTT and immature. Kyle has been an excellent boyfriend to her, (IMO she's not going to find anybody who will treat her better) He didn't deserve to be berated by her, for buying her a nice gift. I know that the writers probably want to give them angst, but this is not the way. Lola is coming across as immature and is unnecessarily struggling to date a rich man who has treated her very well. Kyle really seems to care for her. (He may already love her). She seems resentful towards Kyle for being rich and that won't bode well for them as a couple, if she doesn't stop doing that. I hope she makes adjustments if she wants to get back together with him. He has bent over backwards to please her.

 

And I liked the scenes with Nate and Nick in the car when Nick was thanking Nate for helping his family. I wouldn't mind seeing them be friends. Maybe Nate could befriend someone like Rey as well. I have been liking him in these hospital scenes and interacting with other people outside of his family. I wonder how he might try and explain away Nikki not being in the hospital room.

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24 minutes ago, Costello said:

So wait: Ana doesn’t want to come out as the songwriter because her shady mentor would have contractual rights to any work she produces moving forward? I’m not sure I heard it correctly.

 

Was that the reason? I didn't think they gave one. I heard her talking but thought the end result of the scene was explaining why she doesn't sing anymore and prefer behind the scenes. But if that's the case, it makes sense why she is hiding she wrote it. But it still doesn't explain why she's lying to Devon. She should tell him so he can fix it. It makes no sense to tell stranger Fen but not brother devon.

24 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

I believe that her being taken advantage the first time around, has just made her really cautious about being a public songwriter going forward. From what I understand she already signed her rights away to previous songs in the past though it sounds like anything she writes going forward she could get credit for.  But she's just hesitant to work as a songwriter publicly because she was burned in the past. Though,  I'm sure if Devon knew she was the songwriter, he would take whatever steps possible to protect her and her work. 

Also what i thought. Lying to Devon for no reason IMO 

9 minutes ago, Costello said:

Right. That’s why it doesn’t make much sense to me, unless she has zero trust in Devon. Just seems like a flimsy excuse poorly contrived by the writers to create conflict.

 

+1

4 minutes ago, xtr said:

I enjoyed the Fen and Ana scenes today. I like him figuring out that she was the songwriter of his demo and her opening up to him about her past as a songwriter. I am glad to see them establishing a connection with each other. I liked the looks he was giving her and I believe they will eventually fall for each other and get together. He was already chasing after her a little and trying to get her to give him some of her time.  (Though they may have Fen try to date Lola first. especially with her "breaking up" with Kyle.)

 

Speaking of Lola, her reaction to the purse was OTT and immature. Kyle has been an excellent boyfriend to her, (IMO she's not going to find anybody who will treat her better) He didn't deserve to be berated by her, for buying her a nice gift. I know that the writers probably want to give them angst, but this is not the way. Lola is coming across as immature and is unnecessarily struggling to date a rich man who has treated her very well. Kyle really seems to care for her. (He may already love her). She seems resentful towards Kyle for being rich and that won't bode well for them as a couple, if she doesn't stop doing that. I hope she makes adjustments if she wants to get back together with him. He has bent over backwards to please her.

 

And I liked the scenes with Nate and Nick in the car when Nick was thanking Nate for helping his family. I wouldn't mind seeing them be friends. Maybe Nate could befriend someone like Rey as well. I have been liking him in these hospital scenes and interacting with other people outside of his family. I wonder how he might try and explain away Nikki not being in the hospital room.

 

Fen is being portrayed as having less money so I'm sure he and Lola will date. Fen shouldn't be any poorer than Kyle, though. His mother is a Fenmore Heiress. He shouldn't be broke 

 

I hate they've made Fen some struggling artist. He should be a young hot shot corporate lawyer trying to untangle his family's company from Jabot. 

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Do you think Victor took Nikki?  Could that even be possible?  Yawn.  Because he knows how to care for her better than anyone?  Or was Stefano DiMiera behind it!?  I really wish a better bowl game was on today.

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26 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Was that the reason? I didn't think they gave one. I heard her talking but thought the end result of the scene was explaining why she doesn't sing anymore and prefer behind the scenes. But if that's the case, it makes sense why she is hiding she wrote it. But it still doesn't explain why she's lying to Devon. She should tell him so he can fix it. It makes no sense to tell stranger Fen but not brother devon.

Also what i thought. Lying to Devon for no reason IMO 

 

+1

 

Fen is being portrayed as having less money so I'm sure he and Lola will date. Fen shouldn't be any poorer than Kyle, though. His mother is a Fenmore Heiress. He shouldn't be broke 

 

I hate they've made Fen some struggling artist. He should be a young hot shot corporate lawyer trying to untangle his family's company from Jabot. 

 

And, Lauren did say she would try and get Michael to consider helping Fen financially while he's trying to make it as an artist. (After her and Michael initially said they wouldn't support his dream financially.)I really don't think they should have Lola acting like this regarding money.  I think she looks bad. This is not good angst for her and Kyle. IMO, Lola is going to look kind of ridiculous if she runs to Fen, because she can't deal with Kyle being rich. Fen does come from a rich family and will be probably eventually be rich himself, once he establishes a successful music career.

 

So she'll possibly be running from a rich man (Kyle) to a man from a rich family who will become rich eventually by himself (Fen). And there really is no other young man on the canvas (outside of Arturo) who isn't from a wealthy family. Noah is also wealthy so her insecurities about wealth and rich people could still rear it's ugly head no matter who she dates.  I think she may try to attempt to date Fen and then find out the grass isn't greener, before she ultimately goes back to Kyle. (And maybe realizing she loves Kyle in the process).

 

Also, I wouldn't have minded seeing Fen as a laywer, but I'm okay with him as a musician.

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15 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

And, Lauren did say she would try and get Michael to consider helping Fen financially while he's trying to make it as an artist. (After her and Michael initially said they wouldn't support his dream financially.)I really don't think they should have Lola acting like this regarding money.  I think she looks bad. This is not good angst for her and Kyle. IMO, Lola is going to look kind of ridiculous if she runs to Fen, because she can't deal with Kyle being rich. Fen does come from a rich family and will be probably eventually be rich himself, once he establishes a successful music career.

 

So she'll possibly be running from a rich man (Kyle) to a man from a rich family who will become rich eventually by himself (Fen). And there really is no other young man on the canvas (outside of Arturo) who isn't from a wealthy family. Noah is also wealthy so her insecurities about wealth and rich people could still rear it's ugly head no matter who she dates.  I think she may try to attempt to date Fen and then find out the grass isn't greener, before she ultimately goes back to Kyle. (And maybe realizing she loves Kyle in the process).

 

Also, I wouldn't have minded seeing Fen as a laywer, but I'm okay with him as a musician.

 

The show doesn't portray Fenmore/Baldwin family as wealthy despite Lauren's status and money. So I doubt Fen will ever be rich. Unless he makes it big in music 

 

I just hope they don't throw Ana in bed with Kyle. I fear they will. 

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12 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

The show doesn't portray Fenmore/Baldwin family as wealthy despite Lauren's status and money. So I doubt Fen will ever be rich. Unless he makes it big in music 

 

I just hope they don't throw Ana in bed with Kyle. I fear they will. 

 

When I first heard the story about Lola being a virgin I actually thought that Kyle might end up in bed with someone like Mia. (After him and Lola had some problems in their relationship). I could see Mia being that messy. But now it looks like her and Rey have "worked things out" for the time being. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in bed with someone, but I definitely hope it's not Ana. There is a spoiler that says that 

 

Spoiler

an unexpected pairing have sparks.

 

I'm not sure who sure who that is. I don't think it's Kyle/Ana. Maybe it's Cane/Victoria.  I also saw a rumor floating around that said that:

 

Spoiler

Fen will kiss Lola on New Year's Eve.

 

But I'm not sure how true that is either, and am looking to see if a reputable spoiler mag/site confirm that.

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5 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

When I first heard the story about Lola being a virgin I actually thought that Kyle might end up in bed with someone like Mia. (After him and Lola had some problems in their relationship). I could see Mia being that messy. But now it looks like her and Rey have "worked things out" for the time being. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in bed with someone, but I definitely hope it's not Ana. There is a spoiler that says that 

 

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an unexpected pairing have sparks.

 

I'm not sure who sure who that is. I don't think it's Kyle/Ana. Maybe it's Cane/Victoria.  But I don't know I also saw a rumor floating around that:

 

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Fen will kiss Lola on New Year's Eve.

 

But I'm not sure how true that is either, and am looking to see a reputable spoiler mag/site confirm that.

It's more than likely 

 

cane and Vikki

 

 

But if they are going to make Lola the Madonna/virgin, they need a whore for her to be more deserving and to win out  over. Who else is left? 

 

I can see a story where she breaks up with Kyle, gets with Fen who is less understanding and doesn't treat her as well as Kyle. She has regrets but he's already moved on with someone. The story then becomes Kyle and Lola pining and wanting each other but new love interest is standing in the way. 

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2 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

It's more than likely 

 

 

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But if they are going to make Lola the Madonna/virgin, they need a whore for her to be more deserving and to win out  over. Who else is left? 

 

I can see a story where she breaks up with Kyle, gets with Fen who is less understanding and doesn't treat her as well as Kyle. She has regrets but he's already moved on with someone. The story then becomes Kyle and Lola pining and wanting each other but new love interest is standing in the way. 

 

I definitely hope they don't treat Ana like that. She doesn't deserve to be treated like that. If anything she is the one who should have multiple men fighting over her. Granted I wouldn't mind see Kyle talking to Ana and befriending her ( and it would be cool if they had chemistry) but I don't want him quickly sleeping with her to try and get over Lola. I rather they would have Ana focus on her music career, family and continue to build a good connection with Fen, which will result in him ultimately falling in love with her. 

 

They could have Kyle lean on Mariah for the time being. I think they have good chemistry and I could see them getting together down the line. I wouldn't mind eventually seeing a slow burn love story with them.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

I definitely hope they don't treat Ana like that. She doesn't deserve to be treated like that. If anything she is the one who should have multiple men fighting over her. Granted I wouldn't mind see Kyle talking to Ana and befriending her ( and it would be cool if they had chemistry) but I don't want him quickly sleeping with her to try and get over Lola. I rather they would have Ana focus on her music career, family and continue to build a good connection with Fen, which will result in him ultimately falling in love with her. 

 

They could have Kyle lean on Mariah for the time being. I think they have good chemistry and I could see them getting together down the line. I wouldn't mind eventually seeing a slow burn love story with them.

 

 

 

They'd never pit Mariah and Lola against each other. Two "good girls". No one to throw under the bus. 

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2 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

The actor playing Reed was always awful. I was kind of surprised a few on here jumped on his bandwagon. Terrible. All of them are. I try and give them a pass but no. They've had time to grow and aren't. 

I never tried to give them a pass. They were awful from the start and over a year later with more to do have still been awful. 

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Does anyone call Niiki’s Sister (or is she dead?) to tell her that her sister is dying?  At least mention her?   I guess no one remembers her.

That said -  Loved that Traci has been on so much this Christmas season.  It’s been great. I guess she left town with Ashley?  

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43 minutes ago, frequentsoapfan said:

I never tried to give them a pass. They were awful from the start and over a year later with more to do have still been awful. 

 

Well, I tried to give them a chance at first. But they never should have aged Lily and Cane's kids anyway. I'd have rather seen children react to what's going on than teens who can't act. But I hate they had kids to begin with and that they were even together, so that's a whole nother rant ... lol

21 minutes ago, Fevuh said:

Does anyone call Niiki’s Sister (or is she dead?) to tell her that her sister is dying?  At least mention her?   I guess no one remembers her.

That said -  Loved that Traci has been on so much this Christmas season.  It’s been great. I guess she left town with Ashley?  

 

It's so glaring. It's as if Casey doesn't exist at all. I imagine no one remembers her. Who is left on the staff who would (honest question)? But it's glaring as hell.

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