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He’s like Aidan on AMC or Rafe on DAYS. He never really took off or worked as a character, but somehow just dodges the chopping block year after year. I suppose Lane has a fanbase, but they just seem like their own walled garden...

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2 hours ago, DeeeDee said:

 

Victoria has been rewritten for AH from the very beginning. Hence her being a committed 'artist' in Europe and chem tested with JT within a couple months of her arrival in GC.

 

I totally agree that the rape/not rape was OOC for Paul & was done to make Michael (and Michael/Cricket) more palatable, but acknowledging it (and everything that led up to it) would make a Big Little Lies situation for them much more logical than it would for any other couple on Y&R's current canvas.

 

True. But I do feel they tried with her when she was first cast. But it devolved into this cold controlled heroine who, even in anger, couldn't raise her voice above a breathless whisper. 

 

The audience has known Paul a long time, I don't think they'd buy it. 

 

 

1 hour ago, ChitHappens said:

 

She even said Billy Miller is Billy Abbott and all but refused to work with David.  How can a lifeless recast be so cocky is beyond me! 

 

At that point, Villy was the shows signature couple and extremely popular. She had just won and Emmy. I'm sure she knew her worth. 

1 hour ago, Juliajms said:

She'd have stabbed him to death, so she can't take him back.  Still, with my luck it would have proved to be Cane's identical triplet, not really Cane. So yeah, bad idea.

 

:lol:

 

Yeah, it would have been Caden. 

 

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13 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

At that point, Villy was the shows signature couple and extremely popular. She had just won and Emmy. I'm sure she knew her worth. 

 

I mean, that’s some cojones. I just imagine doing an interview in my own profession in which I not only admitted that I just plain didn’t do my job because of some petty nonsense but I also had to be reprimanded for it. I suppose at that point she knew she was a lifer and that very few people read the soap media. And I guess in the small insular world of soaps, Daytime Emmys (which don’t even air on TV anymore) still matter.

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17 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

At that point, Villy was the shows signature couple and extremely popular. She had just won and Emmy. I'm sure she knew her worth. 

 

 

She said these things once Billy left and David was in the role.  

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2 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

 

She even said Billy Miller is Billy Abbott and all but refused to work with David.  How can a lifeless recast be so cocky is beyond me! 

And apparently TPTB listened to her childish ranting and fired David as quickly as they could.

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18 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

And apparently TPTB listened to her childish ranting and fired David as quickly as they could.

I guess she rightly wagered that, in protest of what she thought was unfair treatment of Billy Miller during his contract negotiations, she could leverage BM/Villy fans on social media to push DT out while doing her own bit onscreen to make sure it looked like he failed. It was smart calculation on AH’s part, and now she’s survived Villy.

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50 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

And apparently TPTB listened to her childish ranting and fired David as quickly as they could.

 

In all fairness, word was that tptb knew they'd made a mistake by hiring DT as soon as he set foot on the sound stage. 

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Soaps nowadays operate by listening to fans too easily and letting fringe fanbases dictate story instead of letting the person in charge actually create and come up with story.

 

Cane and Lily breaking up last year was a long time coming and was very slow moving (this is the one time where Sussman's writing style came in handy)... but now they're back together with Cane being blame free?!?!?!  Makes no sense whatsoever except to satisfy a very hostile fan base.

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7 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Soaps nowadays operate by listening to fans too easily and letting fringe fanbases dictate story instead of letting the person in charge actually create and come up with story.

 

Cane and Lily breaking up last year was a long time coming and was very slow moving (this is the one time where Sussman's writing style came in handy)... but now they're back together with Cane being blame free?!?!?!  Makes no sense whatsoever except to satisfy a very hostile fan base.

 

Fringe fanbases have destroyed shows in the past i.e. "Manny" and "Gush" fans over at GL, "Bratie" and "Nuke" fans at ATWT etc. Not too sure why Lame or Villy even have fanbases to even begin with unless its manufactured hype from the folks on in the control room. 

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Sussman did what needed to be done with Cane and the character actually became legitimately interesting as a heel. So of course the network and Young walked it all back because they jealously guard any small fanbase in this dying genre. See also: ABC's inexplicable obsession with Julian and Alexis on GH despite a tiny fanbase. Any port in a storm.

 

Billy and Victoria probably should've ended with Miller gone. I don't much like her in the role but getting rid of Amelia Heinle is a pipe dream at this point and has been for a long time. Fantasy is not a viable strategy, so you have to move on.

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2 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

True. But I do feel they tried with her when she was first cast. But it devolved into this cold controlled heroine who, even in anger, couldn't raise her voice above a breathless whisper.

 

The audience has known Paul a long time, I don't think they'd buy it. 

 

Y&R never tried with AH's Victoria. Within six months she went from A stories to an afterthought love triangle with Brad & Sharon and making faux reliquaries.

 

That's not the point. If Y&R HAS to do a Big Little Lies story it has a couple with an established enough past played by strong enough actors that would make such a storyline relatively plausible even if the original story was OOC.


At the very least it wouldn't be as time consuming & utterly character destructive as what's currently happening between Victoria & JT.

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I like AH fine as an icy villainess, but the problem is they want her to be a romantic, flawed heroine who can carry the entire show on her back, and that’s beyond her abilities. She’s not a Laura Wright who will give it her all no matter what. Or GT who sometimes brings it so hard that it results in things like the Hair Flip Heard Round the World. Amelia will do the bare minimum and sometimes not even that.

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18 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

I like AH fine as an icy villainess, but the problem is they want her to be a romantic, flawed heroine who can carry the entire show on her back, and that’s beyond her abilities. She’s not a Laura Wright who will give it her all no matter what. Or GT who sometimes brings it so hard that it results in things like the Hair Flip Heard Round the World. Amelia will do the bare minimum and sometimes not even that.

 

Exactly. But they're not going to replace her unless she leaves, and they'll block any attempt to remove her. So what do you do other than deal with it? Nothing.

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9 minutes ago, Vee said:

 

Exactly. But they're not going to replace her unless she leaves, and they'll block any attempt to remove her. So what do you do other than deal with it? Nothing.

Right. I mean, I sit through Josh Morrow and plenty of other actors I don’t rate highly. I sat through Lauralee Bell learning how to act on my time my entire childhood. Such is soaps.

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The problem is that the show then keeps characters like Cane around to help fulfill it's 40+ Straight White Male Lead role because Morrow can't carry the show.

 

The same thing has happened to Victoria which is why she's reduced to baby rabies and feuding with Abby instead of running Newman.

 

If Victoria & Nicholas were played by actors who would carry Y&R then the show wouldn't regularly relegate them to pointless secondary & tertiary relationships/stories.

 

How many times have posters at SON complained about Nicholas not having any purpose? Or Victoria's only story about her relationship with Billy?

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