Members DramatistDreamer Posted December 1, 2018 Members Share Posted December 1, 2018 I think some of the uneven quality that has been mentioned is as a result of a show (or its creator/production staff) that is self-conscious and hyper-aware of the fact that it may be running on borrowed time and is in a rush to squeeze every issue into its episodes. It's hard to straddle the line between having show that focus and character and humor while making a statement in each episode. In sitcom writing class, you're discouraged from trying to go the "message route" but when dealing with topical/political humor, it's pretty much a mandate. In a way, a 13 order season frees you up from having to stretch material out over 24-26 episodes (which can get tedious and repetitive filler fast) but it can also be constraining where you realize that your time is limited (minutes on the clock limited) and you have to drive certain issues across in any given episode. If you have a platform like Netflix or HBO where you don't have to deal with commercial breaks, you have more time to work with but with network TV where ads have to be place in every episode (more and more each year, it seems) you have that added tension, added pressure to try to 'get it all in' and ideas can feel crowded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 3, 2018 Members Share Posted December 3, 2018 Catching up on this thread, but Carl's quote above reminded me of something. I found that plot point well done and yet in some ways annoying, maybe for the same reasons. It *didn't* surprise me--I was sure they'd have a gay character on the new show and I was sure it would be Pat since every time I've seen the comedian do standup, his routine has revolved around being a gay Indian, etc and it just seemed odd to cast him in a role where he seems to be playing himself and not using that. But it also used the now (thankfully) very old fashioned trope where when a TV show, specifically a sitcom, would show a progressive/tolerant view of homosexuality, it almost always involved one of the main characters worrying he was or being mistaken for being gay when it was actually a secondary character. Of course thankfully in this episode that was only *briefly* played for laughs with Miles and not the focus of the storyline--and it does fit in with the history of Miles as a character (though you'd think he'd be more aware of gays living in DC all these years since the show ended Please register in order to view this content ). And then recently on my news feed one of those "explaining gay pop culture" videos from Matt Baume popped up on my feed. I find Matt Baume's videos both well done and sometimes insightful and extremely obnoxious and annoying (and no, it's not just because he did one devoted to musical theatre where he spouted off things about Sondheim shows which were factually *wrong*... I swear ). I guess there's gonna be a second video addressing this Murphy Brown episode, but here he talks about a '90s episode that did play off the Miles might be gay thing for the entire episode--and to my surprise I suddenly remembered that episode and how uncomfortable it made me watching it with my parents... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted December 3, 2018 Members Share Posted December 3, 2018 I remember the scenes of Miles talking about his dolphin dream. Oddly enough they are some of my strongest memories of the original show. Clearly that had an effect on their young gay viewers... I had to laugh at the video guy going on and on about the incredible ass of the man behind Miles. Honestly, the only thing I noticed about that man was his pants didn't fit properly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 3, 2018 Members Share Posted December 3, 2018 Ha I had the same thought. It is true though that the premise of the episode seemed to be SUCH a trope in earlier gay (comedy) stories--down to the "You're not my type" conclusion joke. I suppose it was a relatively safe and inoffensive way to deal with the issue--focusing it through the eyes of a straight character, reassuring the viewer that *they* won't be gay or whatever, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted December 3, 2018 Members Share Posted December 3, 2018 Even back then when I was not really aware of those types of things and not even that aware of myself I always thought there was something different about Miles. I kind of wondered if they might make him gay in the revival but I guess they don't see him that way. (maybe the actor is gay - I don't know) I had stopped watching by the time he was with Corky. I don't know how that went or why they split up. Clearly Diane English doesn't either... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BetterForgotten Posted December 3, 2018 Members Share Posted December 3, 2018 The fact Miles/Corky ever happened was a clear sign that the original series ran for way too many damn years than it needed to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faulkner Posted December 6, 2018 Members Share Posted December 6, 2018 Candice got a Golden Globe nomination this morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KMan101 Posted December 6, 2018 Members Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) Even ABC news ran a scroll saying Murphy Brown revival not picked up/renewed. I can't remember exactly how it read but I knew it wasn't factually true. I'm glad English came out and reassured folks that the media was jumping to conclusions. What a shocker ... I still need to catch up. I'm so behind on EVERYTHING lately. Sigh. (Though not shocked they made Pat gay and I'm good with it and was just waiting for them to drop it) I hope to see it come back (and let's be real, it's clearly got a now stable audience, a new show could do worse, could do better - I think 9 with Mom behind it would have been better of a cushion so to speak but I get they probably thought it was better to have it at 9:30 with Mom as the anchor show). And good on Bergen for the nod! Edited December 6, 2018 by KMan101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted December 6, 2018 Members Share Posted December 6, 2018 I think with the exception of the terrible Steve Bannon episode the show has improved each week - though once again I am two weeks behind. I think the ensemble still has it and the new people gel, and the political commentary which is important to the show and always has been has become smarter and a bit less hamfisted (depending on the episode, or scene...). It's comfort food for me politically and socially, but IMO it's genuinely funny and often smart. Its ancient cast is never going to take EW by storm again. But I would like to see it get one more season at least. If not, at least it's been a good time and they haven't disgraced the series. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted December 6, 2018 Members Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) Oh, and I did just get to the Thanksgiving episode - emotional and excellent. Edited December 6, 2018 by Vee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mango Posted December 10, 2018 Members Share Posted December 10, 2018 "Like he's driving a chariot, like Ben-Hur!” That poochie is a great addition to the cast. I hope Bennie is sticking around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 21, 2018 Members Share Posted December 21, 2018 Was anyone else a bit let down by the finale (I noticed they advertised it as the finale--not season finale or series finale...) It just felt off in a way that earlier episodes hadn't to me--maybe they tried to shove too much into it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted January 13, 2019 Members Share Posted January 13, 2019 Pat: And those were sounds from my silverware drawer set to a house beat. Thank you. Guy: Play YMCA! Pat: I'm not a whore. I dug the finale. Yes, the Afghanistan conflict was predictable but I really enjoyed the big party and the cameo parade with Lawrence O'Donnell etc, even from other DC people I don't like much like Andrea Mitchell (who got a great line about Quayle) - it's just what Murphy Brown does, taps into the Beltway scene and the old/new circles. I loved the generational mix of the ensemble, and especially loved seeing more of Jim and Julius. I also may be one of the few that loves Merle Dandridge as Diana, and again the generational thing coming into play with Miles relating his early experience to hers on the original show, and I even dug their kiss. I liked Phil's and its history as a microcosm of the show's. Its chances for renewal are likely 50/50 at best, but I'm hoping its unremarkable but decent ratings and the complete implosion of CBS as a misogynist hotbed of harassment may give it cover to return. But if this is the end it was a good one, and the show didn't disgrace itself - it was mostly a fairly solid season of a very particular show I didn't think could ever have a viable comeback with fresh blood. But it did, and I really liked it, warts and all. Belated: A Diane English interview re: the season, finale, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members DramatistDreamer Posted January 31, 2019 Members Share Posted January 31, 2019 Looks like the fate of the series is still up in the air. CBS Boss On ‘Big Bang’s End & Possible Spinoff, Fate Of ‘Murphy Brown’, ‘Mom’ & ‘MacGyver’ And Company Climate – TCA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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