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2 minutes ago, Vee said:

I despised Carly for how she treated Robin, but I still found her fascinating and quasi-rootable at that time bc of her neuroses, pathos and obsession with Jason. It was very real and relatable. That's the best of what soap characters can make you feel, conflicted as a fan. I was not particularly hardcore for Jason and Carly though, bc I'd never liked Jason much either lol.

I think JFP and Megan were determined to put their stamp on the show and make GH like their other terrible works as quickly as possible. That's why they went full force with Jensen Buchanan and Roy, and that's why cutting out the roots with characters like Carly and Emily served their purposes to supplant them. Of course, GH being the flagship of ABC was a bridge too far, and it didn't work. JFP never had that kind of power again.

The reason I liked Jason is the way they played his brain damage back then.  I obviously hated what he did with the Q's and Sonny, but I liked the way SBu played Jason's overall confusion, having a blank slate, some actual mental limitations and the believable coldness of his early personality as Jason M.  My brain always assumed he would get his memories back and at least meld the two personalities, but it is what it is.  

I don't know if I found Carly even quasi-rootable, but I did find her watchable and interesting which is more than I can say for most characters.

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5 minutes ago, amybrickwallace said:

Who wrote Jason's accident - Labine or Guza? I know it was in 1996, but I thought at least the outline could have been Labine's on the way out. Obviously, Guza shaped it.

I believe it was Labine but it could be Guza.  It happened not long after Stone's death.  Like honestly a month or so later.   I think it actually occurred at the tail end of 1995 if I am not mistaken.  I would just assume the connection to Sonny started with Guza but Idk.

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At the time, I thought the Jason Morgan stuff was pretty genius.  Jason Q was boring.  The whole idea was really good EVEN tying him to Sonny and then Robin.  And the silliness of hating his family, Keesha and Brenda.  It put Jason in new group of people like Carly, Sonny, Robin, Brenda, Mike, etc that he normally wouldn't have interacted much with and gave SBu a lot more to work with and he tried back then.

It was a good idea that ostensibly had an ending of sorts, but Guza just gets so happy when things take off that he milks them to the end of time.  I would imagine the set up would have always been Jason getting his memories back and pitting him against AJ in Q family drama for years to come.  I doubt he was meant to be a hired killer 26 years later lol!   I also would venture to guess SBu was very vocal about not going back to Jason Q as well.

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21 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

When TB left in 2005, SJB was in New York on ATWT. When Jennifer Bransford and LW came on, SJB had accepted a primetime role on Cold Case (which subsequently did not last very long).

 

I forgot all about her on Cold Case. And hmm, wonder why it didn't last long. She wasn't allowed to succeed like other actresses IMO. Didn't she speak out about Moonves and others?

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7 minutes ago, carolineg said:

At the time, I thought the Jason Morgan stuff was pretty genius.  Jason Q was boring.  The whole idea was really good EVEN tying him to Sonny and then Robin.  And the silliness of hating his family, Keesha and Brenda.  It put Jason in new group of people like Carly, Sonny, Robin, Brenda, Mike, etc that he normally wouldn't have interacted much with and gave SBu a lot more to work with and he tried back then.

It was a good idea that ostensibly had an ending of sorts, but Guza just gets so happy when things take off that he milks them to the end of time.  I would imagine the set up would have always been Jason getting his memories back and pitting him against AJ in Q family drama for years to come.  I doubt he was meant to be a hired killer 26 years later lol!   I also would venture to guess SBu was very vocal about not going back to Jason Q as well.

 

I thought it was a very good twist to change up Jason. But you lost that moral compass for the Q's. Emily was able to pick that up.

 

Jason should have 'blended' years and years ago. But I know Burton has fought against it. I think that's why I preferred Filler Miller's "Jason" because he wasn't just some bot who forced out a tear and pretended to give a damn about the Q's. Burton does better now, in some ways, less in others (the writing is bad for Jason, IMO - they aren't invested in him despite being on constantly) and he seems to appreciate Leslie Charleson and it shows.

1 minute ago, Vee said:

Jason Morgan and Jason Q should have been merged with the memories years ago. Steve didn't let it happen and Guza didn't want it to. It still should tbqh

 

lol great minds think alike

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4 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I forgot all about her on Cold Case. And hmm, wonder why it didn't last long. She wasn't allowed to succeed like other actresses IMO. Didn't she speak out about Moonves and others?

I don't want to speak for SJB and I can't remember the details but she did say she was dropped from Cold Case and it had to do with Les Moonves and issues with her ex.  I want to say there is a thread archived on here about it.

2 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I thought it was a very good twist to change up Jason. But you lost that moral compass for the Q's. Emily was able to pick that up.

 

Jason should have 'blended' years and years ago. But I know Burton has fought against it. I think that's why I preferred Filler Miller's "Jason" because he wasn't just some bot who forced out a tear and pretended to give a damn about the Q's. Burton does better now, in some ways, less in others (the writing is bad for Jason, IMO - they aren't invested in him despite being on constantly) and he seems to appreciate Leslie Charleson and it shows.

 

lol great minds think alike

I think Guza tried a lot more early on to show Jason's "moral" center with his interactions with with Lila and Emily and they would show Jason had some memories with his medical training popping up time to time.  This was also a time where the Q's were wacky and slightly evil and Ned had to fix problems or whatever and really never helped and I think we were supposed to want Jason to hate his family.

It would have been interesting seeing Jason get his memories back and turn his back on Sonny only to be drawn to that life again.  But oh well.  SBu is what he is, but he does humor and comedy well and does have chemistry with most of his love interests, family, friends.  It will always be just a missed opportunity.  

On the other hand, if they never changed Jason at all Steve probably would eventually been recast a bunch of times and ended up more bland like Kevin/Joey on OLTL through the years.

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30 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I forgot all about her on Cold Case. And hmm, wonder why it didn't last long. She wasn't allowed to succeed like other actresses IMO. Didn't she speak out about Moonves and others?

Yes, she did. I was watching Cold Case at that time, but I really never thought her character fit in that show. 

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2 hours ago, ironlion said:

 

It's crazy how much 96-00 Sonny, Jason & Carly still affects the plot directly today! Even moreso evident as Nelle was written as a parallel to Carly. I loved when Carly got her just desserts after being falsely accused of pushing Nelle down the stairs, in parallel to what happened with AJ.

THIS.

 

Part of the reason I started to slow watch again was I was reading about the mystery of Nelle and how she had a grudge against Carly and hints kept being dropped around Bobbie (who I love) so yeah...still directing plot to this day. 

3 hours ago, Faulkner said:

This was also a decent scene. Robin could be very smug:

 

Smug Robin may be, but GUUUURRRRL, ROBIN BETTER READ. lol.

 

I always loved KMc's delivery of 'You're as common as dirt.' The inflection. The hint of bitca peeking through. You could feel their hatred of each other. And see it. Just flawless.

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36 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

THIS.

 

Part of the reason I started to slow watch again was I was reading about the mystery of Nelle and how she had a grudge against Carly and hints kept being dropped around Bobbie (who I love) so yeah...still directing plot to this day. 

Smug Robin may be, but GUUUURRRRL, ROBIN BETTER READ. lol.

 

I always loved KMc's delivery of 'You're as common as dirt.' The inflection. The hint of bitca peeking through. You could feel their hatred of each other. And see it. Just flawless.

And Kimberly’s bitchy little haircut haha…

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57 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

I always loved KMc's delivery of 'You're as common as dirt.' The inflection. The hint of bitca peeking through. You could feel their hatred of each other. And see it. Just flawless.

It was awesome. I don't think KMc ever had an on-screen rival as good as SJB. Then Carly and Robin were moved out of each other's orbits. KMc left the show for awhile, Carly was recast, and that was that. It was a great feud while it lasted!

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