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On 11/8/2018 at 4:38 PM, j swift said:

Why didn't Dan Woleck fight for his right to the Lord fortune?  Didn't Meredith get anything in the will to leave for her son?

 

I was listening to the late '60s Niki Smith scene on Youtube and I'm curious to know more about the fall-out over Meredith not being Victor's biological daughter. Was that ever reversed or did it stick? I mean, Victor obviously loved her and was happy to raise her as his own, but I wonder if legally there was anything to do with that.

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On 11/3/2018 at 3:19 AM, Goldensoaps said:

oh yes!!!! And Search for tomorrow with Liza and Travis in Hong Kong (I think)........ RH in Irland I think it was in 1977...so maybe RH was the first soap doing this...

In soap trivia books (which often get details wrong) AMC's honeymoon in St Croix is listed as the first international location shoot (apparently the show was so popular there that they aired in prime time).  (Although technically St Croix is a constituent district of the US...)  It seems like it was a particularly popular tourist place for Americans around that time--you don't hear about it nearly as much now...

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While writing my MA essay on Agnes Nixon and gay storylines in soaps, I came across this--has this been discussed and I missed it?  A VERY analytical dissertation on OLTL from the mid 1970s but it has fascinating stuff--script excerpts, a hint that Sam Hall and Gordon Russell did not get along (*shock* ;) ), confirmation that Agnes Nixon basically suggested the death of Victor Lord story, etc...  https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?105547168403::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:132868#abstract-files

(scroll down to the download links)

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@EricMontreal22I read it and my jaw dropped at the idea of what passed as a dissertation at Ohio State in 1976.  There are five pages on writing a letter of introduction to Agnes Nixon?  I get that media and theoretical studies don't include data, but that is just a guy sitting in someone's office for a few days.  It's like a four grader's report on Bring Your Child to Work Day.  The parts about the dogs on the street in front of the studio and the hot dog cart made me think that you and I are the only people who read this because a dissertation committee who normally require edits of such obvious padding.   I googled him and couldn't discern if he is the behavioral researcher or the political commentator, but I couldn't find any further soap references for him.

 

All in all, it reminded me of an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show with two smart guys and a wisecracking gal-Friday trying to appease everyone.

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On 11/16/2018 at 10:38 PM, EricMontreal22 said:

While writing my MA essay on Agnes Nixon and gay storylines in soaps, I came across this--has this been discussed and I missed it?  A VERY analytical dissertation on OLTL from the mid 1970s but it has fascinating stuff--script excerpts, a hint that Sam Hall and Gordon Russell did not get along (*shock* ;) ), confirmation that Agnes Nixon basically suggested the death of Victor Lord story, etc...  https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?105547168403::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:132868#abstract-files

(scroll down to the download links)

 

Wow, haven't read the whole thing, but getting a chance to read the included script from 1976 was pretty amazing. That's the first time I'd ever "seen" a Victor/Dorian (Sheppard Studwick/Nancy Pinkerton) scene.

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Or all of his own work....
She's too classy, but I kind of wish Lauralee Bell would sometime post a pic of her dad's Y&R tape archive..LOL

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11 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

i think Ron started at OLTL in the mid 90's, so unless he got a hold of some rare earlier tapes, there's nothing in his closet of interest...

 

I've love to rewatcvh OLTL from 1968 to 1983, and then Michael Malone's homophobia story,, but anything after that, ehhh.

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I mean I assume Ron would have had access to the ABC archives which go back to 1978? (77?) with a few earlier episodes and MAYBE they made him copies but even so, I bet it's more just key episodes from his time at the show.

On 11/16/2018 at 11:03 PM, j swift said:

@EricMontreal22I read it and my jaw dropped at the idea of what passed as a dissertation at Ohio State in 1976.  There are five pages on writing a letter of introduction to Agnes Nixon?  I get that media and theoretical studies don't include data, but that is just a guy sitting in someone's office for a few days.  It's like a four grader's report on Bring Your Child to Work Day.  The parts about the dogs on the street in front of the studio and the hot dog cart made me think that you and I are the only people who read this because a dissertation committee who normally require edits of such obvious padding.   I googled him and couldn't discern if he is the behavioral researcher or the political commentator, but I couldn't find any further soap references for him.

 

All in all, it reminded me of an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show with two smart guys and a wisecracking gal-Friday trying to appease everyone.

Isn't it bizarre?!  This was for a PHD it seems, not just a MA paper.  He goes from very jargon filled pages and pages about methodology, etc, and then weird stream of conscious narration about his experience.  Still, it's pretty amazing that apparently he traveled to New York and was granted access to the writers for an entire week.  It does list the readers and it was signed off and stored at the school so I assume he did complete his studies, though...  But yeah, you're not kidding about padding--I mean is there any reason he has to say that attendance in the last class was low, or he was also going to spend some time visiting his family, what the lighting was like, how "fine" his stereo back at home is, etc?  (Funny as I've been writing my MA paper on soaps--and grant you it is much much shorter with a requirement of under 10,000 words which came to about 35 pages, the emphasis with each submission has all been about editing as much as possible).

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What was great to read though was all the transcribed conversation between Gordon, Sam and Gordon's secretary Joan--which gave you a sense of listening in on them.  While you can tell there might be already some mixed feelings between Sam and Gordon, it also seems like grumpy Sam exaggerated his feelings for the lack of work and talent Gordon showed in his interviews much later for Llanview in the Afternoon--that's just a guess, but (or maybe he grew tired of Gordon later on).  They also imply that Gordon hired Sam...  And of course it's interesting to hear Agnes' role--that she will consult if they need her and she's *required* to consult if ratings are in trouble--one such rating slip seemingly leading to her suggesting that they kill Victor off.  Also this seems to prove that Wiki is (what's new?) wrong and Doris Quinlan was EP at the show at the time (I know she also worked in that capacity at AMC with some overlap there--I think with Agnes and Bud Kloss playing much of that role at AMC).

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