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@FrenchBug82 Dina was clearly Alexis. Mother that abandons her husband and children to live a jet set life, remarries a wealthy man, becomes widowed, inherits late husband's business that rivals ex-husbands business. Even Dina's introduction as Madame Mergeron where she's dressed in a black suit with a matching hat and veil and then revealed to be Dina Abbott was a copy of Alexis introduction.

 

As for 1980s Jill, she was more Abby Fairgate Cunningham Ewing, single mother from a working class background that married up and became a businesswoman. The closest to Angela Channing that Bill Bell might have created was Stephanie, but by 1987 primetime soaps were past their peak. 

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1 hour ago, kalbir said:

@FrenchBug82 Dina was clearly Alexis. Mother that abandons her husband and children to live a jet set life, remarries a wealthy man, becomes widowed, inherits late husband's business that rivals ex-husbands business. Even Dina's introduction as Madame Mergeron where she's dressed in a black suit with a matching hat and veil and then revealed to be Dina Abbott was a copy of Alexis introduction.

 

As for 1980s Jill, she was more Abby Fairgate Cunningham Ewing, single mother from a working class background that married up and became a businesswoman. The closest to Angela Channing that Bill Bell might have created was Stephanie, but by 1987 primetime soaps were past their peak. 

 

To me it takes more than a biographical pitch to feel a character is inspired by another one. Sure, you can isolate some elements that are the same but that's quite a way away from saying this character is an attempt to reproduce another character.

So Dina started off Alexis-ish although was softened later on, I feel, but the "absentee mother" plot point certainly feels directly lifted and the way she was initially written certainly was Alexis-like so I will give you that one. Definitely agree there was inspiration there at the outset. 

But Jill really had nothing to do with Abby. "Social climber" certainly is not an original story that would need to originate in Abby and their personalities and the way they went about their climb were completely different. I don't find them alike at all, let alone assume one came from the other.
As for Stephanie, again, the "tough matriarch" is an archetype as old as literature, movies and TV. There was no need to look at Angela - who was not even that similar to Stephanie in her motives and personality - for inspiration in that way. I don't buy that at all.


I think Dina is the most convincing of all the examples given in this thread. Victor too to an extent. The rest feels like a reach to me.

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On 5/9/2021 at 10:33 PM, kalbir said:

 

 

Bill Bell introduced Victor, John, Jack in 1980 and their introductions overlapped with Dallas at the height of its popularity. I figured Victor (billionaire businessman that owns and lives on a horse ranch and has a long suffering younger wife) was modelled after JR, John (cosmetics company owner) was modelled after Jock, and Jack (playboy son of cosmetics company owner) was modelled as a Gary/Bobby hybrid.  

 

A big part of Jack's character when TL was in the role was the lost little boy with abandonment issues (from his mother leaving the family) that was always looking for his father's love and approval. That element of Jack seemed to be lessened when PB took over.

 

 

 

Even after John's death in 2006, Jack had crises of conscience thinking of his late father and the role model he has been for him (John's ghost embodied Jack's dirty conscience, his moral struggle)

About the abandonment issues, Dina came back in 1983 and their relantioship has partially healed since then, though she proved to be a not always reliable mother figure. 

 

I wonder if Bill Bell - aside My fair lady - was inspired by Charles and Diana when he suddenly decided to pair Victor and Nikki as a couple. In 1981 they got engaged and they married, they were the couple of the year: the world was watching them. Niktor started in late 1981. Charles/Victor: rich and sophisticated men, gothic and aloof. Diana/Nikki: pretty girls, so much younger than them, full of life, naive, different backgrounds. 

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On 5/7/2021 at 11:58 PM, Broderick said:

I always felt that the most defining characteristic of Terry Lester's Jack was his "devil-may-care" attitude.   Never made any difference to me how handsome he was or how charming he was.  

That all went out the window with Peter Bergman, who always seemed too methodical, poised, practiced & meticulous to be Jack Abbott.  

 

On 5/8/2021 at 1:02 AM, YRfan23 said:

Even after Victor takes Jabot, Terry's Jack during those last few months, doesn't even seem all that phased. He treats it all like a minor annoyance, and doesn't seem too worried about whatever else Victor had in store (namely hiring Brad as his right hand) 

 

 

Even when you knew Jack had to be in a stressful situation, TL's Jack always kept that  unbothered vibe.

 

There was that great scene where Jack knows that Katherine has the evidence that Jack and Jill had an affair but Jack wants to find out what exactly Katherine knows and whether she plans on using it. He's see desperate but is clearly determined not to show it. He doesn't want to betray how worried he is. So he has this unflappable appearance but you know, on the inside, that he must have been churning. TL's Jack really was the embodiment of the "never let 'em see you sweat" ethos.

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Could've sworn I typed "unbothered"
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@FrenchBug82 Angela and Stephanie both attempted to control the love lives of their children (and in Angela's case also that of her grandson), so that was a similarity. Bill Bell had wealthy matriarchs before Angela (Jennifer, Katherine, Vanessa; also Vanessa attempted to control the love lives of her sons) but none of them were as business-minded as Angela. 

 

@AlexGrimaldiI never thought of Victor and Nikki as being inspired by Charles and Diana. Then again Y&R did attempt to cash in on the Charles and Diana wedding hype with the London concert and ball in July 1981.

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2 hours ago, kalbir said:

@FrenchBug82 Angela and Stephanie both attempted to control the love lives of their children (and in Angela's case also that of her grandson), so that was a similarity.


A vague one.
Angela's relationships to her children was quite different from Stephanie's. Sure, there was meddling but, again, such a soap cliche. But there was nothing equivalent to Stephanie's almost incestuous affection for Ridge with Angela. 
The one plot that somewhat resembles would be Stephanie's Angela to what Emma initially was - the hiding the slightly "off" daughter etc. But not enough to think one came from the other - especially since Emma had since become a full-fledged character by the time BB started.
Also, Stephanie having Eric makes all the difference as it was a focal point of a lot of her run. Angela didn't have a man for most of her run and didn't seem to care very much. Eric drove a lot of story for Stephanie and was a thoroughline.
Falcon Crest WAS Angela's life, more than her children or anything else. Stephanie's interest in Forrester's was mainly a function of her defending her family. I never read it as "business-oriented"; indeed her meddling in the business was more about protecting it from outsiders while her family worked there than actually working at it herself. Angela ran Falcon Crest directly herself. 

I just don't agree with that comparison beyond the obvious: fierce scheming matriarch but that's not THAT original that it would require "being inspired by".

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Stephanie was inspired by Vanessa Prentiss, Katherine Chancellor and Jennifer Brooks. She was nothing like the primetime soap divas in my eyes.

I think that primetime took ideas and characters daytime and made them bigger than life.

Early Krystle/Blake/Alexis reminded me of Rachel/Mac/Iris. A triangle which was not about romance. Or was it?

Angela Channing was more or less based on Phoebe Tyler Wallingford.

Dina Mergeron had quite a few similarities with Alexis Colby, but her story was also based on Bill Foster. 

Jill Foster started out a lot like Rachel Davis, Erica Kane and Lisa Miller, she morphed into Alexis Colby and then Bill Bell got bored with the character after Brenda Dickson left (and Edward Scott made sure that Nikki would be Genoa City's first lady).

 

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Alan Locher will welcome Y&R’s Tricia Cast (Nina), Michael Corbett (ex-David) and Jess Walton (Jill) to his YouTube show, The Locher Room. The trio will participate in a live interview on Wednesday, May 20 at 3 p.m. ET,

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

Alan Locher will welcome Y&R’s Tricia Cast (Nina), Michael Corbett (ex-David) and Jess Walton (Jill) to his YouTube show, The Locher Room. The trio will participate in a live interview on Wednesday, May 20 at 3 p.m. ET,

 

Oh! This one is going to be FUN!

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1 hour ago, Forever8 said:

Alan Locher will welcome Y&R’s Tricia Cast (Nina), Michael Corbett (ex-David) and Jess Walton (Jill) to his YouTube show, The Locher Room. The trio will participate in a live interview on Wednesday, May 20 at 3 p.m. ET,

 

 

So awesome! Must tune in!!

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On 5/13/2021 at 5:31 PM, Forever8 said:

Alan Locher will welcome Y&R’s Tricia Cast (Nina), Michael Corbett (ex-David) and Jess Walton (Jill) to his YouTube show, The Locher Room. The trio will participate in a live interview on Wednesday, May 20 at 3 p.m. ET,

 

 

This is gonna be amazing. Walton and Corbett are still rather close friends, I think, and they have so much dirt and stories to share. This is surely gonna rank next to Kim Brown and Tracey Bregman with Michael Fairman for entertainment and fan appeal.

 

even though it is unrelated to David Kimble, I hope they bring that genius GUAM exchange of words with Kay up again when Jill wanted to ship Nina off to the pacific.

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Cross-posted from B&B Classic Thread:

 

Hi all!

 

Update 1: Everyone is correct in suspecting the Vault is now out of space. Thankfully it's not the situation like last time where the Vault space being reduced because Microsoft flagging the account. I've done a quick analysis of the folders taking up the most space, and the three biggest culprits are as follows:

 

B&B 1994 - 250 GB

B&B 2019 - 180 GB

Y&R 1999 - 690 GB

 

I suspect that it's because the file sizes are huge for each episode. That being said, I recommend temporarily removing B&B 2019 so people can continue to upload. In the meantime, I will take episodes with unnecessarily large files and reconvert them to H.265, which should save a considerable amount of space without sacrificing quality. This process will probably go over the course of a few weeks. Worst case scenario is I will spin off Y&R and B&B into their own vaults, which seem like an inevitability down the road. 

 

Thanks!

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