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Jerry Douglas was so suave, commanding, handsome, noble and authoritative and yes, sexy. Cutting John as the patriarch was one of the dumbest decisions this show ever made.

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2 hours ago, Vee said:

Jerry Douglas was so suave, commanding, handsome, noble and authoritative and yes, sexy. Cutting John as the patriarch was one of the dumbest decisions this show ever made.

I agree with that sentiment re John's early days on the show.

With Deborah Adair there was definitely chemistry and the way Deborah played Jill you could understand the mutual attraction.

Once Brenda went into full diva mode, John started to look like a fool for ever marrying her.

 

Would posters still want Jerry on the show now? Would he still be capable at his age (88)?

If not, the decision to cut Jerry from the show might have had to be made at some point.

Have John move out of town or kill him off?

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1 minute ago, Paul Raven said:

I agree with that sentiment re John's early days on the show.

With Deborah Adair there was definitely chemistry and the way Deborah played Jill you could understand the mutual attraction.

Once Brenda went into full diva mode, John started to look like a fool for ever marrying her.

I partly agree. I don't think Bell gave Jill (with Brenda) enough chance to vent John's poor treatment of her during their marriage. If you were married and your husband was stepping out with his ex, assumed you purposely caused a miscarriage and spent months deciding if he even wanted to stay married to you, how would that make you feel? 

 

He rarely seemed to back her up or support her and saw her insecurities about Dina (who with Kay was actively working to ruin Jill's marriage) as childish

 

Bell should have made more of this. Jill does say she felt like a trophy wife and undervalued and it was motivating her drive to take him to the cleaners, but this was one scene once. John wasn't the greatest husband and Jill went into survival mode as a result. Her diva act would have made more sense and John would not have seemed like such an innocent fool. 

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On 2/23/2021 at 4:19 AM, j swift said:

But, I thought, it was remarkable that classic soap stories about older characters (in contrast to other soaps going younger and more action-driven) were an integral part of Y&R 30-year-plus dominance of soap ratings.

Y&R stayed #1 for years telling traditional soap stories with a few 'modern'nods to action/adventure/mystery plots but other soaps seemed more willing to copy each other with serial killers/clones/aliens/spies etc to chase ratings

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12 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

 

 

Would posters still want Jerry on the show now? Would he still be capable at his age (88)?

If not, the decision to cut Jerry from the show might have had to be made at some point.

Have John move out of town or kill him off?

 

These are fair points, and I think how he died made it more difficult for viewers.  It was a very ignominious exit for such a beloved character: dying in jail, for a justified crime, the sort of which many soap characters routinely get away with. In some way it was fitting for his character after being a doormat to Gloria those last years (another point of contention). It was at that point in the show where they had a lot of questionable ideas but they were executed well, like Cassie's death and even Jill being mother and daughter (I felt like it was a mad writing choice to do it, but still entertaining as hell to watch it unfold). The scenes involving John's death hold up pretty well. There's the part where his family sets up a flight to Ireland and begs him to go there and he insists he must serve his sentence, which is in character. The bedside death scenes were all very good, and even the funeral episode that re-aired last year was good with the conflict of Jack not inviting Gloria, which is absolutely something he would do. 

 

I'd still categorize it as a mistake overall, for the simple reason that he had years of story left, and this was born out by how they immediately tried to bring him back, first with that ridiculous Alistair character, and then as a ghost. That showed there was still use for him as a patriarch of the family for several more years. I wouldn't object to them killing him off if he decided to retire, like Susan Flannery. That's a better option than just having a character disappear like Mary Williams and not even acknowledging the death onscreeen when it happened.

 

If you are going to be that writer that wants to make the big splash of killing a major character, then you had better be sure you're not going to need them again in six months...

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I've gotten through another chunk of stuff from the Y&R Anonymous Angel

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January 2 and 3, 1992 clips

These episodes are already on YouTube but this is a better quality. These scenes are so funny.

 

 

January 8 and 9, 1992 clips of drunk Nikki in the snow

 

 

February 14, 1992 clip
Victor reminiscing

 

 

March 17, 1993 clip

 

 

October 16, 1995 Primetime clip
Brad gets "cheeky" 

 

 

1992 Daytime Emmys
Bill Bell's Lifetime Achievement Award and Y&R's Best Show montage

 

 

1992 Bill Bell SOD Awards tribute

 

 

Various Y&R Awards show clips
I was lazy and didn't cut them up, but I'm pretty sure they are all available already

 

 


 

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I had a vague recollection of that story with Dru and the pornographers but clearly don't remember the details. That was entertaining!  If Tricia wasn't on that list for the best heads of hair on soaps, she should be. Boy, do I miss Kristoff. Danny had some swagger in this piece. When the show actually had room for Neil and Nathan and Paul and Danny, what a time!

Those two guys that came in before were kind of 'roids scary.

In those final scenes, you know Dru's about to get a lecture.

Hard to believe anyone could take those two 'moobie' guys seriously but I guess two desperate idiots with guns are probably the most unpredictable and dangerous.

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Another batch from the Anon Angel.  This time mostly clips.

 

2002 Daytime Emmys - Michael Bolton presents Y&R montage No More Drama

 

 

March 4, 2002
Victor remembers Julia & Nikki
I posted that Christmas clip already

 

Jeanne Cooper - CBS Scrapbook 2002

 

 

Y&R Bloopers

 

 

John McCook & Melody Thomas Scott Behind the Scenes at CBS Television City Studio - I like the banter between them!

 

 

 

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Great uploads!!! Bold Restless, Antonia chapstick, YR, and Y&R Fans 23, 93 etc.... have really been on fire these past few months!!!  (amongst others who I may not have mentioned) Thank u guys!!!!!

 

Speaking of the yr channel I see they've uploaded some yearly episode playlists from the 90s forward. Excited about 2002 and 03 which are usually hard to find:

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCuJkTOrjRs3ygJNMk1dfm_A

 

Probably uploaded already but lost in the shuffle:

 

(5/21/03) Kay finds out Jill is her "daughter":

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_dA7KVkpZe0&list=PLoeEe7VyF-9lQNEdrstrxzlekMfMpnz2z&index=23

 

(5/21/03)Aftermath:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DeWbOde6j98&list=PLoeEe7VyF-9lQNEdrstrxzlekMfMpnz2z&index=22

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A lot of the material the Anonymous Angel sent me actually has to do with that storyline (day by day clips of it) so if we have all the episodes that will save me some work, but I'll double check it to make sure there's nothing new or different. 

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3 hours ago, Soap-princess said:

I refuse to watch the Kay/Jill maternity reveal. Possibly one of the worst moments in Y&R history for me personally. 

Yep, that's the big Jump The Shark moment for me as well. Nothing that happens after that is canon in my eyes.

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Sorry if this was mentioned by anyone, but by going through the closing credits of the 1986-1987 German episodes was anyone able to get the exact dates that Wes Kenney was last credited as EP and Ed Scott became EP. something i didn’t realize was that Bill Bell was actually the sole EP for Most of 1987 and based on the little full credits that are available Ed Scott actually became EP around October/November 1987. I’d love to know when the exact dates were though. 

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