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7 hours ago, trainman said:

Well I see the '86 clips are still rolling along.  '86 was a good year for Y&R.  I wonder if we'll get into 1987...  I don't recall '87 being a particularly exciting year.  I just remember that Douglas returns, Matt leaves, Nikki fakes being ill, Rose comes back again, and then there's the whole Nikki & Jack / Victor & Ash story, but I really can't recall what else was going on.

Besides Cricket eating the show, there was Ashley's breakdown after aborting Victor's baby, Nikki's recovery from her illness that she hid from Victor, Katherine and Jill's custody battle over Phillip, Nina becomes pregnant with Chance, Paul and Lauren divorce, Lauren becomes involved with Brad, Jill hires Rex to woo Katherine; I think that covers the main non-Cricket 1987 stories. November 1986 had the EP change from H. Wesley Kenney to Ed Scott and June 1987 was the first of the big three late 1980s recasts when Brenda Dickson was fired and replaced with Jess Walton.

 

There was also what seems to be a slight cast purge during the second half of 1986 to through 1987, with the departures of Marla Adams, Colleen Casey, Alex Donnelly, Steven Ford, Lauren Koslow, Julianna McCarthy, Phil Morris, Robert Parucha, Jon St. Elwood, James Storm, Stephanie Williams. I wonder how much of it was Bill Bell running out of story for the characters and how much of it was Ed Scott doing some house cleaning.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but by the time Ed Scott arrived as the senior EP, was there any real independent power there?

 

If there was cleaning house, it was done on Bell’s behalf.  From everything I have read, Conboy was the only EP that did what he wanted, and would piss Bell off when he saw the air shows.

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7 hours ago, kalbir said:

Besides Cricket eating the show, there was Ashley's breakdown after aborting Victor's baby, Nikki's recovery from her illness that she hid from Victor, Katherine and Jill's custody battle over Phillip, Nina becomes pregnant with Chance, Paul and Lauren divorce, Lauren becomes involved with Brad, Jill hires Rex to woo Katherine; I think that covers the main non-Cricket 1987 stories. November 1986 had the EP change from H. Wesley Kenney to Ed Scott and June 1987 was the first of the big three late 1980s recasts when Brenda Dickson was fired and replaced with Jess Walton.

 

There was also what seems to be a slight cast purge during the second half of 1986 to through 1987, with the departures of Marla Adams, Colleen Casey, Alex Donnelly, Steven Ford, Lauren Koslow, Julianna McCarthy, Phil Morris, Robert Parucha, Jon St. Elwood, James Storm, Stephanie Williams. I wonder how much of it was Bill Bell running out of story for the characters and how much of it was Ed Scott doing some house cleaning.

 

Thanks for the history lesson.  I just vaguely remember a lot of it.

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Oh, wow!  Deborah Adair briefly appears as Jill in 1986 clip 119.

 

Secondly...  Has anyone seen the “Stories Behind the Stories” videos that Doug Davidson posted a little ways back on his Instagram account?  The videos are broken into parts, and chronicle a lot of behind the scenes stuff that was going on during Doug's involvement with the Cassandra Rawlins storyline.  Interesting stuff.  Links below...

 

Episode 1:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyKR0_AcRG/

 

Episode 2:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBWO3I1gFlW/

 

Episode 3:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBn3QQYBZ2T/

 

Episode 4:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB5-cGNF6Yj/

 

Episode 5:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCLh0z3hUj-/

 

Episode 6:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCdiis-Bwna/

 

Episode 7:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCvhokrh2Gi/

 

Episode 8:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDBe6hyh9CA/

 

He also gave some background on the other actors involved in that story, including his TV parents Carolyn Conwell (Mary) and Brett Hadley (Carl).  He even posted a recent photo of Hadley, still going strong at 89...

 

 

brett hadley 89 years old.jpg

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Very cool, thanks @trainman ! Look forward to watching the series. I had seen the first one but didn't know the following segments had been released. I wonder where Doug gets all that rare footage from...   Wow, Brett Hadley still has that twinkle in his eye... 

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On 9/18/2020 at 12:43 PM, trainman said:

Well I see the '86 clips are still rolling along.  '86 was a good year for Y&R.  I wonder if we'll get into 1987...  I don't recall '87 being a particularly exciting year.  I just remember that Douglas returns, Matt leaves, Nikki fakes being ill, Rose comes back again, and then there's the whole Nikki & Jack / Victor & Ash story, but I really can't recall what else was going on.

 

I notice a folder has been opened in the vault for 1987!

 

Hoping to catch up on watching clips and uploading more of my stuff this weekend.

 

3 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Very cool, thanks @trainman ! Look forward to watching the series. I had seen the first one but didn't know the following segments had been released. I wonder where Doug gets all that rare footage from...   Wow, Brett Hadley still has that twinkle in his eye... 

 

I watched the first clip and it was really informative... I've never actually watched the Cassandra storyline in full in its entirety, so I feel like I should wait until I do... I mean I know more or less what happens but not in full detail. 

 

Hadley does look good. It's too bad we didn't get any Y&R reunion specials like they did for ATWT and GL... being that it's still on the air almost every Zoom interview was current cast members (except Kimberlin Brown). It sure would have been nice if someone did reunions for the Brooks family, Williams family, Barber Family (with VR and TLW)... there's so much nostalgia there. Would also be interesting to get, say, Heather Tom and Amelia Heinle together with the other Newmans, or imagine Jess Walton and Brenda Dickson together with Kate Linder sharing memories about Jeanne!

 

 

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Now that most of the “Jack works at a homeless shelter” story has been posted in the clips, I’m curious – what are people’s impression of the story?

 

I watched the original airings as a teen and assumed that this story would be used to “humanize” / “redeem” Jack… but that didn’t wind up being the case… he just went back to his scheming dastardly ways in ’87.

 

Do you think this was just one of Bill Bell’s “summer social issue” stories... or maybe it was originally intended to redeem Jack but then later they decided to go another route… or…?
 

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On 9/18/2020 at 5:41 PM, kalbir said:

There was also what seems to be a slight cast purge during the second half of 1986 to through 1987, with the departures of Marla Adams, Colleen Casey, Alex Donnelly, Steven Ford, Lauren Koslow, Julianna McCarthy, Phil Morris, Robert Parucha, Jon St. Elwood, James Storm, Stephanie Williams. I wonder how much of it was Bill Bell running out of story for the characters and how much of it was Ed Scott doing some house cleaning.

 

Didn't Beth Maitland also get "purged" (temporarily) during all of that?   Seems like Traci announced rather suddenly that she was going to Stanford to finish her degree, packed her bags, and swooshed out of town rather suddenly.  Also seems like Beth Maitland was removed from the cast list.  Brad walked around grouchy about it for several weeks, became closer with Lauren, then Neil Fenmore died, Brad started working with Lauren on the Fenmore Foundation, and after a few months, Traci came swooping back in.  I never knew if the intention had always been to bring Traci back later in the year, or if Bill Bell just kinda changed his mind about getting rid of her in the first place.  

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5 hours ago, Broderick said:

 

Didn't Beth Maitland also get "purged" (temporarily) during all of that?   Seems like Traci announced rather suddenly that she was going to Stanford to finish her degree, packed her bags, and swooshed out of town rather suddenly.  Also seems like Beth Maitland was removed from the cast list.  Brad walked around grouchy about it for several weeks, became closer with Lauren, then Neil Fenmore died, Brad started working with Lauren on the Fenmore Foundation, and after a few months, Traci came swooping back in.  I never knew if the intention had always been to bring Traci back later in the year, or if Bill Bell just kinda changed his mind about getting rid of her in the first place.  

Beth said that it was her choice to leave in ‘87. Every time Traci left after that, though, Beth said she was fired.

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15 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Now that most of the “Jack works at a homeless shelter” story has been posted in the clips, I’m curious – what are people’s impression of the story?

 

I watched the original airings as a teen and assumed that this story would be used to “humanize” / “redeem” Jack… but that didn’t wind up being the case… he just went back to his scheming dastardly ways in ’87.

 

Do you think this was just one of Bill Bell’s “summer social issue” stories... or maybe it was originally intended to redeem Jack but then later they decided to go another route… or…?
 

 

I think that was a story gimmick that was used from time to time, to redeem certain characters, and then have them get drawn back into their old ways (Victor was redeemed briefly when he went to Kansas / Kay's battle with the bottle and on-off feud with Jill).

 

As for the purge, I don't know if we can include Brock, since he left in late '86, but was basically swapped-out with Phillip Jr.  Brock returned in 1988 and stayed through 1992, then returned in 1999 before departing in 2003. He had appeared occasionally since then.  Matt Miller was more or less swapped out with the return of Douglas in early '87.  Michael Evans (Douglas) was a favorite of Ed Scott's as well as Melody Thomas Scott.

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7 minutes ago, trainman said:

Any long-time viewers know if Vince (Rose's sidekick) in clips 124 - 126 is the same sidekick (and same actor) she had back in the late '70s?

Both wiki and imdb say that Alex Rebar played Vince during '79-80 and '86-87

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4 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Beth said that it was her choice to leave in ‘87. Every time Traci left after that, though, Beth said she was fired.

 

Makes sense.  I just remember it seemed kinda "rushed".   I was changing schools at the time and gave it lots of thought.  Traci, on the other hand was like, "Hmmm, I think I'll go to Stanford and finish my degree.  Oh, and by the way, I'm leaving today.  Good-bye!"  lol.  

2 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Both wiki and imdb say that Alex Rebar played Vince during '79-80 and '86-87

 

Yeah, Rose & Vince were like those Thenardiers in Les Miserables.    Whenever we thought we were rid of them, they popped up yet again.   They were funny.  

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