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1 hour ago, kalbir said:

Aww, it warms my heart that TB and BM became friends IRL and have stayed friends all these years. It says alot about both of them as people.

 

No wonder BM was Y&R's first acting Emmy winner. BM is a treasure and Traci really should be cemented as the heart of the Abbott family.

 

 

It’s funny because the past couple of days I have been thinking about what I would do if I were in the writer’s box seat, so to speak, and mapping out Y&R’s future direction. In fact, Traci would feature quite a lot as a major supporting character, if not front burner. Basically it would go as follows...

 

“One day Paul & Christine get a knock on the door at their place. They open it to a surprisingly lucid and happy Patty, who had finally been getting treatment for her long standing mental issues, and wants to have another chance at starting afresh. But Patty had a shocking surprise for both Paul & Chris - a new husband. Even more shocking is the identity of Patty’s new man...

 

Danny Romalotti.

 

It seems that while Patty was being treated for her issues, Danny happened to be on a break from one of his tours. Obviously he had not been so much in the loop with what had been happening in Genoa City over the last number of years, and his mind wandered to his high school sweetheart. At the same time, Patty flashed back to the support that Danny had given her all the way back during her ill-fated romance with Jack Abbott. She also relived in her mind the drama and heartache she had caused with Traci’s miscarriage, and felt that she had to truly make peace with Danny. So she made contact with him and they met once again for the first time in decades.

 

Danny and Patty were both very lonely and nostalgic for happier, younger times. So after a brief courtship, they became married. However, Danny was not fully aware of what had happened with Patty when she had returned to Genoa City in the late 2000s, and Patty wasn’t exactly willing to divulge that information.

 

Paul and Chris both tried to talk to Danny about Patty, but Danny wouldn’t have any of it. He insisted that he was happy with Patty and wanted to really make it work this time. Patty was overjoyed to hear this, as it meant a genuine new beginning for her.

 

Danny and Patty both decided to stay in Genoa City permanently to be closer to their loved ones, and moved into their own apartment. Word eventually reached Jack Abbott that Patty was back in town (again), and married to Danny as well.

 

So one day Jack paid Danny a visit. Danny was surprised to see Jack, especially as they had not had any contact with each other for a couple of decades. And Danny didn’t exactly feel sentimental either when it came to Jack Abbott, particularly considering what he had cause Patty many years earlier.”

 

 

I could literally go on and on spawning story from this. Danny has numerous historical organic ties to characters currently on canvas - Christine, Paul, Lauren, Michael, Traci, Jack, Phyllis. I’m not saying that it should become the Danny show, but his return (if written correctly) would be potential dynamite, particularly in combination with a Patty return. And you wouldn’t even have to create too much backstory, because most of it is already there. You could even have the Patty and Danny relationship develop on screen if necessary.

 

But again, this is just me with my crayons trying to map out a decent story.

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It's a shame that the Williams family was phased out in the mid 80s because all soaps need a middle class family...which I don't think we've seen seen on soaps since the 80s.

 

Nikki and Victor were toxic even in 1982.

 

Refreshing seeing Jill and Katherine not interacting.  It.was a mistake putting them back in one another's orbit

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The Williams family was the replacement for the Foster family and the Abbott family was the replacement for the Brooks family. By the early 1990s, the Williams family was almost all gone and the Abbott family was almost all recasts, yet Bill Bell didn't eliminate the Williams and Abbott families entirely and start over with two new families. 

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12 minutes ago, kalbir said:

The Williams family was the replacement for the Foster family and the Abbott family was the replacement for the Brooks family. By the early 1990s, the Williams family was almost all gone and the Abbott family was almost all recasts, yet Bill Bell didn't eliminate the Williams and Abbott families entirely and start over with two new families. 

 

Further complicating the Williams family is that Brett Hadley (Carl) had another job as well, with FEMA, and it was sometimes hard to bring him back for stories as often as they would have liked, which is partly the reason why he kept disappearing for long periods of time.

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6 minutes ago, trainman said:

 

Further complicating the Williams family is that Brett Hadley (Carl) had another job as well, with FEMA, and it was sometimes hard to bring him back for stories as often as they would have liked, which is partly the reason why he kept disappearing for long periods of time.

 

Really? It's so interesting when the soap stars have "real" jobs on the side like Kate Linder being a flight attendant and Beth Ehlers working for the state of New Jersey (although not while she was acting). I wonder what he did there and if people recognized him. It would have been a fairly new agency at the time. I haven't seen a lot from that era but I assume Carl's job made it easy for the writers to just say he was away on an assignment or undercover, and then, I guess they just eventually stopped bothering to mention him at all, same as they did when Carolyn Cromwell got sick and they didn't even give Mary an onscreen funeral or anything.

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8 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

 

Really? It's so interesting when the soap stars have "real" jobs on the side like Kate Linder being a flight attendant and Beth Ehlers working for the state of New Jersey (although not while she was acting). I wonder what he did there and if people recognized him. It would have been a fairly new agency at the time. I haven't seen a lot from that era but I assume Carl's job made it easy for the writers to just say he was away on an assignment or undercover, and then, I guess they just eventually stopped bothering to mention him at all, same as they did when Carolyn Cromwell got sick and they didn't even give Mary an onscreen funeral or anything.

 

I always felt they should have brought him back at least one more time to do better justice to the amnesia storyline, rather than just dropping it the way they did and have him go back to "Ruthie" in Norfolk.  He's done a few little acting jobs here and there in other productions post-Y&R amnesia storyline.  Currently at 89, I don't have high hopes we'll ever see him again, like we did with Liz for a few final scenes when they killed off her character, but who knows.

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42 minutes ago, kalbir said:

The Williams family was the replacement for the Foster family and the Abbott family was the replacement for the Brooks family. By the early 1990s, the Williams family was almost all gone and the Abbott family was almost all recasts, yet Bill Bell didn't eliminate the Williams and Abbott families entirely and start over with two new families. 


I think the difference is that with the Abbott’s you didn’t have a breakout like Lorie to overshadow everybody. Each character worked and when they recast Ashley it was seamless. Then with Peter Bergman a year later it was well received so it was easy to keep them going. With the Williams, Paul was the breakout star of that family so I think with him around they were okay with that. I do think it would’ve benefited him in the 90s to have another sibling around though. 

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2 hours ago, trainman said:

 

I always felt they should have brought him back at least one more time to do better justice to the amnesia storyline, rather than just dropping it the way they did and have him go back to "Ruthie" in Norfolk.  He's done a few little acting jobs here and there in other productions post-Y&R amnesia storyline.  Currently at 89, I don't have high hopes we'll ever see him again, like we did with Liz for a few final scenes when they killed off her character, but who knows.

 

If ever they were to bring closure to the Williams parents they would have done it during the Patty storyline or when Paul killed Ricky. Another missed opportunity.

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2 hours ago, trainman said:

 

I always felt they should have brought him back at least one more time to do better justice to the amnesia storyline, rather than just dropping it the way they did and have him go back to "Ruthie" in Norfolk. 

 

They didn't drop it. The decision to stay with Ruthie was arrived to after months of agonizing and was a lovely, if heartbreaking, end to the storyline.

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3 hours ago, trainman said:

Further complicating the Williams family is that Brett Hadley (Carl) had another job as well, with FEMA, and it was sometimes hard to bring him back for stories as often as they would have liked, which is partly the reason why he kept disappearing for long periods of time.

I guess if he had have been on contract there would be no need for him to find another job.

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Another thing that killed the Williams family was the loss of Lilibet Stern as Patty (Bell was upset at her leaving). Andrea Evans was a bust in the role and the character was quickly written out after a year. I say if Lilibet had stayed, Patty could have driven story for years. Bell never brought Todd on canvas and quickly wrote Steve out after about a year. I guess the Andy character filled the void as he and Paul were close like brothers. 

 

 

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Lilibet Stern was very likable as Patty.  Andrea Evans, not so much.  As for Hadley not being on contract, I think he actually was a number of times, but it was always "on again, off again".  To be fair, he probably wasn't always needed around too much when the law enforcement element wasn't a part of a particular story.  As for the most recent "crazy Patty" story, they tried to bring Carolyn Conwell back (Doug Davidson personally asked her to), but she was well into retirement by then, and refused.  So, they did what they could with the family, and most of the actors just kind of ran their course.  I miss seeing the Williams house set in particular.  It was so middle class and relatable.

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30 minutes ago, trainman said:

Lilibet Stern was very likable as Patty.  Andrea Evans, not so much.  As for Hadley not being on contract, I think he actually was a number of times, but it was always "on again, off again".  To be fair, he probably wasn't always needed around too much when the law enforcement element wasn't a part of a particular story.  As for the most recent "crazy Patty" story, they tried to bring Carolyn Conwell back (Doug Davidson personally asked her to), but she was well into retirement by then, and refused.  So, they did what they could with the family, and most of the actors just kind of ran their course.  I miss seeing the Williams house set in particular.  It was so middle class and relatable.

I agree. I always remember the Williams home and it's middle class colonial suburban style. In the mid 90's they randomly started talking about Patty around the time Bug & Paul were planning their wedding.They showed photos of Lilibet Stern in the family photo album as Bug & Mary looked at it and Mary told her that Patty was her sister in law. Then a few episodes later they showed the back of a blonde woman in a phone booth dialing the Williams home while everyone was at the wedding. It never amounted to anything. 

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Seeing Patty in 1982, she had the rare distinction of being a good girl and being interesting at the same time.  I often wonder how she would have played the shooting and the aftermath.  And I do agree had she remained, she would have carried story well into the 80s..maybe even being Danny's end game.

 

And her return in the 2000s had potential had the show kept her as eccentric instead of making her full ok crazy.  Early on there was a scene where she admitted her anguish at not comforting Paul after Nikki broke up with him.  Shame writers prefer over the top instead of more relatable moments.

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17 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Seeing Patty in 1982, she had the rare distinction of being a good girl and being interesting at the same time.  I often wonder how she would have played the shooting and the aftermath.  And I do agree had she remained, she would have carried story well into the 80s..maybe even being Danny's end game.

 

And her return in the 2000s had potential had the show kept her as eccentric instead of making her full ok crazy.  Early on there was a scene where she admitted her anguish at not comforting Paul after Nikki broke up with him.  Shame writers prefer over the top instead of more relatable moments.

 Maria Arena Bell was the queen of that. It was sad bc she knew the history so well and did bring back so many wonderful characters, but she’d put them into stories that were just insane or waste them. Like you said, Patty had potential to be an interesting long term character but they went too far. I feel the same for Adam. I will never like that character based on how much story he burned through with the first two actors. Justin Hartley and Mark Gorssman are good actors, but the history is too toxic for me to care about him. 
 

The biggest disappointment for me though had to be Olivia’s non story, even when Malcolm was recast and Nina. Sticking Nina with Paul was a bizarre choice given her friendship with Christine (which they neglected) and their severe lack of chemistry. I liked that both of her sons were back and Tricia Cast was giving POWERHOUSE performances but the material wasn’t to her level. It never made sense not to put her in Restless Style or use her writing career. 

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