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On 9/10/2019 at 10:00 AM, Broderick said:

I agree.  Plus, it seems that Bill Bell deliberately placed Jennifer Brooks and Kay Chancellor in separate "orbits", because, after all, they were esentially the same prototype of character, being used in two completely different storylines. 

 

With Jennifer Brooks, we get the vain, shallow, needy, blonde, non-working, middle-aged society lady (with fading beauty) who is placed in a "matriarch" role of an upper-middle-class family, with her entire world revolving around her daughters and her husband, while she carelessly seeks outside attention to affirm that she's still attractive and desirable to men.

 

With Kay Chancellor, we get the vain, shallow, needy, blonde, non-working, middle-aged society lady (with fading beauty) who is placed in a more upper-crust/millionaire environment, with no children except an estranged son, and her entire world revolves around her addictions and out-of-control desires and her need to be reigned back into a more wholesome and productive life. 

 

It's almost as if Bill Bell looked at the Jennifer Brooks character after a few months of storytelling, and said, "Let's see what happens if we take this character, give her even MORE money, take away the children, give her a pack of cigarettes, a bottle of vodka, a husband who neglects her, a stableboy who bangs her, and let's see how LITTLE JILL would deal with this woman."

 

To put Jennifer and Kay in the same "universe" would make it pretty obvious that Bell was perhaps overusing this prototype, although his use of the character certainly differed in the context of Jennifer's storyline and Kay's storyline.     

 

On 9/11/2019 at 7:06 PM, Broderick said:

 I always felt that Bill Bell re-tooled the "mother-and-her-two-sons-concept" in 1977 with Vanessa Prentiss, Lance and Lucas; rather than utilizing it earlier with Regina, Mark, and Russell.  (And then of course he revisited the idea later with Stephanie, Ridge and Thorne on B&B.)    

 

Jennifer, Katherine, Vanessa, Stephanie were all similar in character. Bill Bell certainly liked the messy matriarchs. 

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4 hours ago, AdamNewmanFan said:

When did YR start getting bad for you guys?

 

The day we had Brad Carlton (or was it Victor Newman?) crushing Nazis' windpipes with his thighs, while Victoria was holed up at her place replicating reliquaries.

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1 hour ago, kalbir said:

 

 

Jennifer, Katherine, Vanessa, Stephanie were all similar in character. Bill Bell certainly liked the messy matriarchs. 

I remember someone posting that there was a scene where Katherine, Jennifer, and Vanessa all wound up in the office of a plastic surgeon at the same time. I wonder if they conversed with one another or if they had them sitting in different parts of the waiting room waiting to be called back ?

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43 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

 

I remember someone posting that there was a scene where Katherine, Jennifer, and Vanessa all wound up in the office of a plastic surgeon at the same time. I wonder if they conversed with one another or if they had them sitting in different parts of the waiting room waiting to be called back ?

 

That sounds more like "fan fiction", lol. 

 

Jennifer Brooks definitely had some reconstructive surgery after her mastectomy (circa 1975?), and Mrs. Prentiss had scar tissue from the burns removed from her face (circa 1977?).  Kay toyed with the idea of having a face-lift from about 1980 till she finally did it in 1984.   But I sure don't remember any of those three surgical procedures ever "colliding" in a plastic surgeon's office.  

 

The only ocassion where I remember Kay consulting with a doctor, surprisingly, in the 1970s was when she was married to Derek Thurston, and Derek decided that he wanted a kid.   Kay went to her OB/GYN who told her that she could still get pregnant if she wanted to, but he advised against it because of all her drinking and smoking.  He assured her that she hadn't begun menopause yet.  I remember being sorta STUNNED by that revelation, because Kay looked to be 60+ years old.   In reality, Jeanne Cooper was about 48 at the time.  (The problem was eventually solved of course by Kay tracking down Suzanne Lynch, who was theoretically gonna return the little boy Jamie to Derek, but that didn't ever happen because the boy was in an institution or something.)

 

But don't trust anything that I say, because I've already freely admitted that I'd completely forgotten about the scene between Snapper Foster and Vanessa Prentiss, lol. 

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1 hour ago, Broderick said:

 

That sounds more like "fan fiction", lol. 

 

Jennifer Brooks definitely had some reconstructive surgery after her mastectomy (circa 1975?), and Mrs. Prentiss had scar tissue from the burns removed from her face (circa 1977?).  Kay toyed with the idea of having a face-lift from about 1980 till she finally did it in 1984.   But I sure don't remember any of those three surgical procedures ever "colliding" in a plastic surgeon's office.  

 

The only ocassion where I remember Kay consulting with a doctor, surprisingly, in the 1970s was when she was married to Derek Thurston, and Derek decided that he wanted a kid.   Kay went to her OB/GYN who told her that she could still get pregnant if she wanted to, but he advised against it because of all her drinking and smoking.  He assured her that she hadn't begun menopause yet.  I remember being sorta STUNNED by that revelation, because Kay looked to be 60+ years old.   In reality, Jeanne Cooper was about 48 at the time.  (The problem was eventually solved of course by Kay tracking down Suzanne Lynch, who was theoretically gonna return the little boy Jamie to Derek, but that didn't ever happen because the boy was in an institution or something.)

 

But don't trust anything that I say, because I've already freely admitted that I'd completely forgotten about the scene between Snapper Foster and Vanessa Prentiss, lol. 

I still think its incredible the way bell wrote for all of those women and it was done separately in good fashion, i would have loved to see a scene where kay and vanessa go toe to toe but come to think of it kay never had any interactions with the prentiss at all i dont even think she ever mentioned them at all during there tenure on the show.

 

Random but also i think its amazing that the brooks gang got to interact with the new gang before they were off the show forever like lorie mixing with victor and nikki and apparently she knew jack n met ashley, then chris mixing with the abbots before she got the boot and even leslie interacting with gina and danny before she left and also peggy had scenes with nikki jack victor and the williams before she left

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It may have been fan fiction.....LOL. I still can't believe Peggy and Victor shared scenes. She seemed to be the last Brooks sister to ever interact with him, let alone him giving her the bedroom eye. It also seemed Peggy was destined to hook up with guys named Jack (Curtis & Abbott). Chris seemed to share a lot of time with early Nikki pre-Victor. 

 

I think the only time Kay interacted with The Prentiss was when she attended the 1981 Gala Ball and Lance escorted Leslie. Kay & Vanessa would have been awesome fighting with each other. What if Kay had hooked up with Lucas ? The fur would be flying.

 

 

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Did Kay ever mix it up with the Brooks? Weren't Lorie and Brock friends? I think I read from some synopsis they were friends abroad, right? I would find it odd that Kay wouldn't've never interacted with Lorie.

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24 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

Chris seemed to share a lot of time with early Nikki pre-Victor. 

 

I think the only time Kay interacted with The Prentiss was when she attended the 1981 Gala Ball and Lance escorted Leslie. Kay & Vanessa would have been awesome fighting with each other. What if Kay had hooked up with Lucas ? The fur would be flying.

 

 

 

Nikki was kinda unique in that she interacted at various times with all four of the Brooks sisters, though never as a family unit.  As you pointed out, Nikki and Chris were "friends" when they were each married to a Foster brother.   Then later, Nikki was in the New World cult with Peggy, but didn't seem to realize that Peggy was Chris's little sister.    A year or so after that, Nikki took piano lessons from Leslie, but never quite seemed to make the connection that Leslie was an older sister of Chris and Peggy.   And of course finally, in 1982, Lorie became Nikki's rival for Goat Daddy's ancient love & affection, but again Nikki didn't seem to notice a connection with any of the other Brooks girls.  It was only when they showed up as a group in 1984 at the Goat Wedding that Nikki saw them all at once. 

 

Yeah, the only time I saw Kay cross paths with a Prentiss was when Kay and Lance were both guests at the concert in London. 

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25 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Weren't Lorie and Brock friends? I think I read from some synopsis they were friends abroad, right?

 

From what I understand, Brock "found the Lort" as a result of all the naughty [!@#$%^&*] he and Lorie did overseas.  Which opens a whole other can of worms, when you think about it.

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7 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

From what I understand, Brock "found the Lort" as a result of all the naughty [!@#$%^&*] he and Lorie did overseas.  Which opens a whole other can of worms, when you think about it.

 

Was it ever revealed what they did abroad? I am assuming drugs but knowing the great Bill Bell, it was probably something else too...😂

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3 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Was it ever revealed what they did abroad? I am assuming drugs but knowing the great Bill Bell, it was probably something else too...😂

 

It was described (in typical 1970s fashion) as "tripping on drugs and sex".  lol.  So I'd assume they got high pretty often, and he porked her regularly. 

 

By the time Brock showed up in Genoa City, he'd "found the Lort", so he wasn't much into the weed, coke, and LSD.   Also, he didn't do much porking.  But after Mark Henderson ditched Lorie in about 1975, she went to the Allegro and begged Brock to take her home and bang her brains out.   He didn't.  Instead, he delivered a brief sermon and serenaded her with a hymn.  She rolled her eyes and said, "What a waste!"  lol. 

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2 minutes ago, Broderick said:

 

It was described (in typical 1970s fashion) as "tripping on drugs and sex".  lol.  So I'd assume they got high pretty often, and he porked her regularly. 

 

By the time Brock showed up in Genoa City, he'd "found the Lort", so he wasn't much into the weed, coke, and LSD.   Also, he didn't do much porking.  But after Mark Henderson ditched Lorie in about 1975, she went to the Allegro and begged Brock to take her home and bang her brains out.   He didn't.  Instead, he delivered a brief sermon and serenaded her with a hymn.  She rolled her eyes and said, "What a waste!"  lol. 

 

Well damn! 😂

 

It is sad that soaps were so daring and bold back in the 70s but are so dull, cliche, and saccharine nowadays. 

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5 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Well damn! 😂

 

It is sad that soaps were so daring and bold back in the 70s but are so dull, cliche, and saccharine nowadays. 

 

Soaps used to reflect real life, and they took risks; they obviously don't even try anymore.

 

The scene where Brock quoted scripture to Lorie, only to have her roll her eyes and say "what a waste!" is VERY memorable, because it established so much about the two characters.   It showed that Brock had completely transformed his views toward being "holy" and "spiritually helpful to his fellow humans", and it showed the extent of Lorie's grief over her break-up with Mark.   As you said, we just don't see things like that anymore.   

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14 minutes ago, Broderick said:

 

It was described (in typical 1970s fashion) as "tripping on drugs and sex".  lol.  So I'd assume they got high pretty often, and he porked her regularly. 

 

By the time Brock showed up in Genoa City, he'd "found the Lort", so he wasn't much into the weed, coke, and LSD.   Also, he didn't do much porking.  But after Mark Henderson ditched Lorie in about 1975, she went to the Allegro and begged Brock to take her home and bang her brains out.   He didn't.  Instead, he delivered a brief sermon and serenaded her with a hymn.  She rolled her eyes and said, "What a waste!"  lol. 

You have such a good memory! I bet you could recite the first 6 years of the show by heart! :D 

1 hour ago, SoapDope said:

It may have been fan fiction.....LOL. I still can't believe Peggy and Victor shared scenes. She seemed to be the last Brooks sister to ever interact with him, let alone him giving her the bedroom eye. It also seemed Peggy was destined to hook up with guys named Jack (Curtis & Abbott). Chris seemed to share a lot of time with early Nikki pre-Victor. 

 

I think the only time Kay interacted with The Prentiss was when she attended the 1981 Gala Ball and Lance escorted Leslie. Kay & Vanessa would have been awesome fighting with each other. What if Kay had hooked up with Lucas ? The fur would be flying.

 

 

In a bizarre way 80-82 Y&R does sound " fan-fiction-ness" with the random interactions and such! :D 

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2 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

You have such a good memory! I bet you could recite the first 6 years of the show by heart! :D 

 

lol.  I wish.  I was just an impressionable little kid who watched it every day, because it was such a strange-looking show.   My parents always watched "World Turns" after they ate lunch.   This stuff of Bill Bell's was something ENTIRELY different from what they watched, lol. 

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