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5 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 

What makes the Patty/Emily story make even less sense was that Patty/Jack divorced.. had closure.. and she was put into the Danny/Paul/Lauren/Traci orbit for the last six months or so of Andrea Evans stint... and the character wasn't hung up on Jack.

Yeah true, she was trying hard to get back together with Danny. I think Traci's miscarriage was the end of her run? Pretty sure she left about that time. In the divorce scenes she was grown up and a bit jaded, but definitely not hung up on Jack. She was pretty much ready to move on. 

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3 minutes ago, Legacy said:

Wow never knew they even thought about her in the 90's, especially after Soo much years of not hearing a word about her.

 

Her and Traci have some damaging/no coming back type relationship, I always forget that Patty has killed 2 of her kids that's crazy how we never seen Traci in rage over just thinking about Patty williams.plus what did Traci ever do to Patty back then I swear they friends at one point if anyone remembers.

 

I think Patty should have gone after Diane because I swear Diane was mean to party if I'm correct, I thought when Diane died that they would have just made it be Patty who killed her because there history goes well with why Diane would have met her demise!! But no instead they made be Nikki 

All the crazy rewrites of Bill Bell's history has destroyed any sense of continuity. I remember getting my hopes of Patty's return in the 90's when that scene of Lilibet photos being shown and the let down when nothing came of it. Alex Donnelly came back as Diane at that time too, so I have a feeling they approached Lilibet and things did not work out as planned. They scrapped it and did that lame Carl Williams story instead.

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34 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

All the crazy rewrites of Bill Bell's history has destroyed any sense of continuity. I remember getting my hopes of Patty's return in the 90's when that scene of Lilibet photos being shown and the let down when nothing came of it. Alex Donnelly came back as Diane at that time too, so I have a feeling they approached Lilibet and things did not work out as planned. They scrapped it and did that lame Carl Williams story instead.

Also and the whole Victor bringing her back for revenge on Jack thing was Soo pointless, it never made sense why all of a sudden out of all the years he could have done that he just out of the blue bring Patty back smh they just did this as a prop to put more beef between him and Jack.

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18 hours ago, Broderick said:

 

Yes, there were four kids.   Steve was the oldest;  he was  preppy, confident, yuppie-type character who prized his virginity and delivered heart-warming lectures to everyone about making the most of their situation.   Then there was floundering teen Paul who was a drop-out and a complete disappointment to his parents.  And the little girl Patty (a/k/a "Pipsqueak" or "Pip" for short) who was about 15.    And then there was the unseen brother Todd who was "away studying to be a priest", which delighted Carl and most especially Mary, of course.   (Several lines of dialogue in 1980 indicated that Todd was probably even younger than Patty, or at the oldest, was slightly younger than Paul but slightly older than Patty.   He seemed to be away in Catholic prep school (high school) studying to be admitted to the seminary.  But by the time the character was finally introduced thirty years later in the form of Corbin Bernsen, he'd morphed into the oldest brother.   That didn't seem to be the Bill Bell's original intention for the character.  The idea was PROBABLY that we were going to meet him as a seminarian, as "The Thorn Birds", about the tempted priest, was very popular at the time.)     

 

At the time of the Williams' family introduction, William J. Bell gave the breakdown of the kids' ages as follows: Steve was 25, Todd was 22, Paul was 19, and Patty was 16. I've always remembered this because it mirrored the ages of the Brooks sisters when they were introduced in 1973: Leslie was 25, Lorie was 22, Chris was 19, and Peggy was 16. I still have the press releases around here somewhere. :)

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On 4/1/2019 at 8:19 AM, Broderick said:

Wasn't Carl Williams another Unneeded Father Figure who just vanished like Stuart Brooks and Neil Fenmore?    (In about 1999, Bell & Alden went through that whole agonizing harangue of Cricket running into Carl in the Norfolk airport, and Paul and Mary revealed that they'd been "grieving" over Carl's "death" for many, many years.   But I don't remember Carl Williams ever dying or any grieving.  I was thinking he just vanished in a puff of smoke sometime after the Cassandra Rawlins storyline ended and wasn't mentioned again until the Norfolk storyline.)

Carl vanished in the mid 80s, was seen again in 1989/1990 (?) and then disappeared for good - until that really swell story in Norfolk in 1998-1999.

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1 hour ago, FrenchFan said:

He was taken off contract in 1984. I wonder if he made recurring appearances or only came back for the Cassandra Rawlins story.

He was around to investigate Jill's shooting in '86

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17 minutes ago, yrfan1983 said:

He was around to investigate Jill's shooting in '86

 

Oh right ! So he must have recurred a bit before being phased out and brought back.

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6 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

At the time of the Williams' family introduction, William J. Bell gave the breakdown of the kids' ages as follows: Steve was 25, Todd was 22, Paul was 19, and Patty was 16.  :)

 

Hey, great information!  Thanks so much for providing that.   We could see in 1980 that Steve was a grown-ass man with a college degree (so 25 makes sense), Paul was constantly being badgered by Mother Mary for not being in college (so 19 makes sense), and Pip was always announcing her age.   Todd was more of a mystery (since he wasn't on camera), but I was pretty sure Mary made a comment one time to Steve about "your two younger brothers", so I figured Todd was intended by Bell to be one of the younger three kids. 

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The full Williams family unit came and went pretty quickly. He wrote Steve out after about a year. Patty was written out after he lost Lilibet in the role and felt Andrea was a bust recast. Carl was dropped to recurring till being phased out. So their span as a main family was 1980-84.

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2 hours ago, SoapDope said:

The full Williams family unit came and went pretty quickly. He wrote Steve out after about a year. Patty was written out after he lost Lilibet in the role and felt Andrea was a bust recast. Carl was dropped to recurring till being phased out. So their span as a main family was 1980-84.

Yea your right the Williams family didn't get that long stretch of time for us to really know them as a whole, i wonder why bell didn't invest in there family Dynamics for too long but at least he kept Paul and Mary and I heard that she was asked to come back many time but her health wasn't too good

 

Soo sad 😥 wish they could brought her back at least once before she passed away, and the fact that they never brought back Steve for the Patty of today is just not right.

 

I wonder if Carl is supposed to still be alive today or will we hear that he died but nobody knows anything further about it smh

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Hadn't Paul been off-screen for awhile before DD returned?  If so, they could say he was out of town, visiting Carl at some hospice in his final days.

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Of course even Mother Mary herself wasn't immune to being dumped.    During the Cassandra storyline in the late 1980s/early 1990s, Carl Williams and his policewoman partner (Salena?) were contract cast members, but Mother Mary was recurring.   By the late 1990s, Mary was back on contract, and of course Carl was completely missing in action until that wonderful, edge-of-your-seat Norfolk storyline. 

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18 minutes ago, Broderick said:

Of course even Mother Mary herself wasn't immune to being dumped.    During the Cassandra storyline in the late 1980s/early 1990s, Carl Williams and his policewoman partner (Salena?) were contract cast members, but Mother Mary was recurring.   By the late 1990s, Mary was back on contract, and of course Carl was completely missing in action until that wonderful, edge-of-your-seat Norfolk storyline. 

 

 

Not to mention Mary had love interest, Charlie Ockell....

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Carl's return was a good storyline. Davidson, Conwell, Hadley, Kriesa, and Bevis sold the hell out of it. Paul and Mary discovering Carl were two of the most memorable scenes in 1998-1999.

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