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Interview with producer Jack Herzberg, from December 1979.

 

 

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3 hours ago, asafi said:

Reading the synopsis of June 1980.. gosh, it sounds so boring!!!  

 

It was even more boring on screen than it plays on the page. 

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@beebs Under a good HW's pen. The battle for Anderson could've been interesting. The only teens on the canvas are Jessica, Tod and Cassie. It makes no sense. That Days didn't keep Donna. I didn't realize Josh was so much older than Jessica.  Mike and David were in their mid 20's. And neither was being properly used.  Seems like Days was chem testing everyone. Was Sunny Liz's mom? Leslie was seeing Alex's mug. As She was talking with Chris Kellum Chandler was a proto Steffy. Who never worked out. Kellum does give me Donald Trump vibes. The only bright spots are Liz. Who would take off. And spark with Neil. The little i've seen of Josh i like. But the whole mystery of Sunny's death. Sounds like a clunker. Would love to see Meg Wyllie as Mrs. Chisholm. 

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6 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

It makes no sense. That Days didn't keep Donna.

 

Donna really does remind me of OLTL's Tina: a "bad" girl, who isn't so much "bad" as she is impulsive, and prone to do the wrong thing but for the right reasons.  She definitely could have been interesting in a pairing with Tod Chandler.

 

TBH, I'm struggling to find the value in Alex and Jessica OR in making them integral parts to Marie's newly created backstory.

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19 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Donna really does remind me of OLTL's Tina: a "bad" girl, who isn't so much "bad" as she is impulsive, and prone to do the wrong thing but for the right reasons.  She definitely could have been interesting in a pairing with Tod Chandler.

 

TBH, I'm struggling to find the value in Alex and Jessica OR in making them integral parts to Marie's newly created backstory.

Never made that connection. But i totally see it now. Donna would've made that bland teen scene lively. 

 

Marie's backstory was badly handled from the jump.  In spite of it. I still enjoyed what very little i've seen of Jessica and Alex.  

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@victoria foxton I am being a bit glib in saying that Josh was 40. The character was definitely meant to be a 20-something like Tod/Todd/Taud (anyone with confirmation on how we're technically supposed to spell his name? I'm running out of amusing misspellings). Just that the actor was so much older than the part he was playing.

 

I really don't get the logic of what Laemmle is trying to do here. The worst part is, after reading that article @jam6242 just posted, I'm reminded that Desmond, Byron's lawyer has also just vanished, even though he was clearly meant to be a big part in Lee's unmasking. It just feels like Laemmle couldn't be bothered to do her homework on what had just happened not six months prior to her arrival. 

 

Also nice to get confirmation that Kate Woodville's storyline for Marie was indeed dropped, and why. I wonder what Ann Marcus' intended direction was for that story. 

 

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1 hour ago, victoria foxton said:

Marie's backstory was badly handled from the jump.  In spite of it. I still enjoyed what very little i've seen of Jessica and Alex.  

 

Well, I could take or leave Jessica, although I definitely don't see WHY they had to make her Marie's long-lost daughter.  (Did Marie even NEED a long-lost child?  Or an illicit, past affair that we've never heard about before?).  But, Alex...?  Like I said upthread, Alex is entirely too one-dimensional for me.  Even his scenes w/ Marie, the one woman whom he allegedly loves for realz, come across as smarmy and unbelievable -- and now that Kellam and Max have him over a metaphorical barrel with all the dirt they've supposedly dug up on him, he's become kind of a joke as well.

 

IMO, Alex needed a much better backstory than that of sleazy, masochistic lover and murderer.  He needed a real, rootable and relatable motivation beyond simply being a bastard.

 

For instance, he could have come originally from a blue-collar neighborhood in Salem, living with his mother, a homemaker; his brother, Ha(r)ley; and his father, an employee at Anderson Manufacturing.  When Alex and Ha(r)ley were young, their father was killed in an on-the-job accident.  Subsequently, their mother suffered a nervous breakdown and was institutionalized, and Alex and Ha(r)ley were sent away to live with relatives.  Even though Anderson was officially cleared of all negligence regarding Alex's father's death, Alex has grown up holding the company, and Bob Anderson in particular, responsible; and now that he's older, and wealthy, Alex returns to Salem to stage a hostile takeover at Anderson and avenge the destruction of his family.

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9 hours ago, beebs said:

Having said this, if the big mid-80s romance was between Bo and Donna instead of Bo and Hope, I could ABSOLUTELY have seen Don take on the disapproving heavy role that Doug and Julie ended up taking on. Quite frankly, it would've made a whole lot more sense for all the characters involved, tbh. And I gotta say, I could see there being potential chemistry between Peter Reckell and Tracy Bregman.

YES!

 

9 hours ago, beebs said:

Allen is behind the mishaps (duh), and Max wants more of them, and quickly. Apparently knowing no subtlety or patience, Max threatens to reveal some shady information from Allen's past if he doesn't act now. How did Max get this far in life while being completely incapable of playing the long game?

Yet another parallel between DAYS' evil men and the White House folks who tried to pull off "Stupid Watergate" (thank you, John Oliver).

 

9 hours ago, beebs said:

Mary learns that Phyllis is once again suicidally depressed, and plans to visit her. Alex pretends to be concerned and encourages her to go, before suggesting Leslie can help him with the promotional work while she's gone, which immediately sets Mary off. Alex snaps, tired of Mary's (justifiable) jealousy. Mary storms off, leaving Alex alone. He smiles and says to himself "thank you, Phyllis".

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Would somebody please annul this damn marriage?

 

9 hours ago, beebs said:

He ALSO tells Julie how much he reminds her of the dead second wife, who finally has a name: Sunny. He also declares his attraction to Sunny's Doppelganger Julie, and asks her to be his hostess while Liz is out of town.

I initially thought this was another attempt at topical storytelling, but Claus and Sunny von Bulow wouldn't enter the public eye for another year or so.

 

9 hours ago, beebs said:

Liz meets Neil and is taken with him. They go out on a date, and Liz finds him rather disarming. They're quite taken with each other, and quickly share their weaknesses with each other. They both agree to see each other regularly, though Liz insists she not be put on a pedestal. Neil agrees, so long as he can still spoil her with flowers and candy.

On a whim, I read up on Liz's entire storyline. She and Neil barely had a moment of peace.

 

9 hours ago, beebs said:

Apparently Brent finds Doug and Julie boring, but agrees to follow them one more time to catch them in the act and impress Lee. But again, just more antique hunting. While they shop, Brent spots an antique pistol in one of the stores, and holds it up, while looking at Julie. THIS IS FORESHADOWING, YOU SEE. SEE IT?? EVERYONE??? SEEE???! Nina Laemmle: Queen of Subtlety.

HAHAAHHAHA!

 

9 hours ago, beebs said:

Marlena decides to take on a new job as Kellam's campaign staff psychologist. She enjoys working alongside Don on the campaign trail, and husband and wife get close once again. Kellam is so thrilled by Marlena's presence on the trail, that he makes her the spokeswoman for his campaign over Liz. He finds Liz too polished (read: phony), and the public would see right through her.

A staff psychologist is qualified to be the contact person? Well, I guess it is better than the candidate's daughter. *barely resists Ivanka jokes*

 

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Since we are discussing the 70's. What did Tommy Horton do after the late 60's ? I saw John Lupton in cast photos through out the decade, but what did his character do onscreen ? He last appeared in 1980.

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4 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

Since we are discussing the 70's. What did Tommy Horton do after the late 60's ? I saw John Lupton in cast photos through out the decade, but what did his character do onscreen ? He last appeared in 1980.

So, according to the recaps (which I think I may compile into a blog at some point), Tommy basically starts to reappear in 1977, starts dating Linda, who is only using him to make Bob (her real target, because she wants his $$$) jealous. Once she gets what she wants, Tommy is dumped, and is a talk-to for the next year, before vanishing again, only to show up for Tom and Alice 50th wedding anniversary party in March 1980, and then he vanishes, never to be heard from again. 

 

That's literally it. 

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45 minutes ago, Franko said:

A staff psychologist is qualified to be the contact person?

 

I don't even understand Kellam appointing Marlena the "staff psychologist," let alone spokesperson.  Is it common practice for political campaign staffs to have staff psychologists?

 

Was Nina Laemmle attempting to foreshadow Marlena's rape?  If so, I think she's doing an awkward and clumsy job, especially when she's muddying the waters by having Kellam become...infatuated with Julie.  Perhaps, Julie was intended to be Kellam's victim, but they changed course (perhaps, because Julie was already a victim of sexual assault).

 

4 minutes ago, beebs said:

So, according to the recaps (which I think I may compile into a blog at some point), Tommy basically starts to reappear in 1977, starts dating Linda, who is only using him to make Bob (her real target, because she wants his $$$) jealous. Once she gets what she wants, Tommy is dumped, and is a talk-to for the next year, before vanishing again, only to show up for Tom and Alice 50th wedding anniversary party in March 1980, and then he vanishes, never to be heard from again. 

 

That's literally it. 

 

In my mind, Tommy relocated to Maine, remarried and legally adopted his new wife's child or children.

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3 minutes ago, Khan said:

Was Nina Laemmle attempting to foreshadow Marlena's rape?  If so, I think she's doing an awkward and clumsy job, especially when she's muddying the waters by having Kellam become...infatuated with Julie.  Perhaps, Julie was intended to be Kellam's victim, but they changed course (perhaps, because Julie was already a victim of sexual assault).

Laemmle seems to be leaving everything open at this point. It feels like there's a lot of chem testing happening, and not a lot of clear vision. 

 

I'll agree that it seems like they were heading towards Kellam having an obsession with Julie/potentially raping Julie. I suspect once again, Laemmle didn't do her homework and that angle was vetoed because Julie had literally been raped 2 years earlier, so she just pivoted to Marlena...and yeah, it doesn't make sense. 

 

Honestly, I just get the sense that Laemmle didn't care about DAYS or its history. She came in wanting to write the show she wanted to write, and it was gonna happen no matter where she ended up, existing characters be damned. 

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1 hour ago, beebs said:

Also nice to get confirmation that Kate Woodville's storyline for Marie was indeed dropped, and why. I wonder what Ann Marcus' intended direction was for that story. 

 

Same.  Tom suffers a stroke, and Alice and Marie fall out over how best to care for him.  Where on Earth CAN you go with such a story?  Was Marie going to fight Alice in court to have Tom declared incompetent, or what?

 

11 minutes ago, beebs said:

I'll agree that it seems like they were heading towards Kellam having an obsession with Julie/potentially raping Julie. I suspect once again, Laemmle didn't do her homework and that angle was vetoed because Julie had literally been raped 2 years earlier, so she just pivoted to Marlena...and yeah, it doesn't make sense.

 

Perhaps -- and this is just speculation on my part -- the idea was to place Julie in harm's way in order to facilitate a Doug/Julie reunion.  But, heck, those two had their hands full with Lee and Brent and whatever THEY were up to.  Adding Kellam and the mystery of his wife's death to the mix is just plain overkill (no pun intended).

 

Gawd, even Dena Higley wasn't this messy, lol.

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12 minutes ago, beebs said:

So, according to the recaps (which I think I may compile into a blog at some point), Tommy basically starts to reappear in 1977, starts dating Linda, who is only using him to make Bob (her real target, because she wants his $$$) jealous. Once she gets what she wants, Tommy is dumped, and is a talk-to for the next year, before vanishing again, only to show up for Tom and Alice 50th wedding anniversary party in March 1980, and then he vanishes, never to be heard from again. 

 

That's literally it. 

He was on and off since 1970, so his other appearances must have been short.

Here is a creepy 1967 photo of Tommy Horton (John Lupton) as a prisoner of war. He returns under the alias Dr. Mark Brooks (Bill Bell must have loved the Brooks surname as he would use it on Y&R). 

 

Days Of Our Lives : News Photo

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2 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

He was on and off since 1970, so his other appearances must have been short.

I suspect he was simply a talk-to between 1970-77, because he was mentioned extremely rarely in any Daytime Serial Newsletter recap before Ann Marcus arrived. 

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