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6 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I just remember a lot of him shouting and her looking confused and frightened by everything.

 

And that wasn't even acting on their parts! ;)

 

I think Marland was right to see Steve and Betsy as a limited couple (his words, not mine) but not allowing them to leave town together?  Their fans deserved a happier ending.

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11 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

And that wasn't even acting on their parts! ;)

 

I think Marland was right to see Steve and Betsy as a limited couple (his words, not mine) but not allowing them to leave town together?  Their fans deserved a happier ending.

 

I think there was real story to be told with Betsy on her own, so I can see why they kept her there. Maybe they could have recast Steve briefly and had him freed from prison and leave for a new life with Betsy (when Frost chose to leave). I think by that time Runyeon was on Santa Barbara. 

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And Betsy was about the only connection left to the Stewarts at the time. Without Betsy as a direct tie to Emily, Em's reintroduction to Oakdale would've felt flat.

 

Frost could've handled more and better story than she got. If there was a character who truly fell through the cracks under Marland, it was Betsy.

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2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Maybe they could have recast Steve briefly and had him freed from prison and leave for a new life with Betsy (when Frost chose to leave).

 

That might've been doable.

 

Acting-wise, Lindsay Frost was more accomplished than Meg Ryan.  Nevertheless, I'd be lying if I said Frost didn't leave me feeling cold emotionally whenever I watched her (on ATWT, as well as on other shows).

 

On 8/4/2019 at 6:38 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

I know Meg Ryan gets a ton of derision these days but throughout the 80s and 90s, she was regarded as the queen of the romcom and part of that goodwill she got on the silver screen was due to the popularity she amassed while on ATWT

 

Which is ironic, since MR -- who, IMO, should've stayed on soaps -- couldn't leave ATWT behind fast enough.

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On 7/16/2018 at 2:14 PM, Brolden said:

I'm a long-time reader of this board and this thread (ATWT is the only soap I've ever seen), but haven't really posted in here before.

Last year, while I had some spare time on my hands, I started trying to compile a full episode list for the show. A few episode numbers have been well-documented, and I'm trying to connect the dots between them, finding out which episodes aired and which ones were pre-empted. Obviously, it's not going to be possible to go all the way back to 1956, but I'm hoping to get as far as I can towards 1985, possibly even 1979.

I've recently found myself having a bit more spare time again and I have completely re-traced every step I took last year to double check the dates. I'm keeping an excel file, in which I've put everything that I've confirmed in bold and everything that was pre-empted in red. I want to throw some of the question marks out here, to see if any of you can confirm if these episodes aired or were pre-empted.

So, working backwards, the first (rather large) era is 1995-2010. The final episode was #13,858. Episode #10,000 aired May 12, 1995. Both of those episode numbers can be found in a number of places. These are the pre-emptions I'm sure about:

1995 (post-May 12): September 4 & 8; November 23 & 24; December 29

1996: January 1; March 14 & 15; September 2 & 6; November 28 & 29

1997: March 7, 13 & 14; September 1 & 5; November 27 & 28; December 25 & 31

1998: January 1; February 16; March 12 & 13; August 20; September 7 & 11; October 29; November 26 & 27; December 17, 25 & 31

1999: January 1 & 19; March 11 & 12; September 6 & 10; November 25 & 26; December 31

2000: March 16 & 17; May 29; September 4 & 8; November 20, 23 & 24; December 25 & 29

2001: January 1; March 15 & 16; September 3, 7, 11, 12, 13 & 14; November 22 & 23; December 25 & 31

2002: January 1; March 14 & 15; September 2, 6 & 11; November 28 & 29; December 25 & 31

2003: January 1; March 20 & 21; September 1 & 5; November 27 & 28; December 25 & 31

2004: March 18 & 19; May 7; September 6 & 10; November 25 & 26; December 31

2005: January 20; March 17 & 18; September 5 & 9; November 24 & 25; December 30

2006: January 2; March 16 & 17; September 4 & 8; November 23 & 24; December 25 & 29

2007: January 1; March 15 & 16; April 17; September 3 & 7; November 22 & 23; December 25 & 31

2008: January 1; March 20 & 21; September 1 & 5; November 27 & 28; December 25 & 31

2009: January 1 & 20; March 19 & 20; July 7; September 7 & 11; November 26 & 27; December 31

2010: January 1; March 18 & 19; September 6 & 10

Taking into account all of the pre-emptions listed above, I'm coming up with three episodes too many between #10,000 and #13,858. So three more episodes were pre-empted. The problem is, I have four episodes that I suspect were pre-empted. Therefore, one of the below four episodes must have aired. These are the four episodes I suspect may have been pre-empted:

December 31, 1996: New Year's Eve was often, but not always, pre-empted.
January 1, 1997: New Year's Day was often, but not always, pre-empted.
July 4, 1997: I had this marked as pre-empted when I worked on this project last year, but wasn't able to verify it when I re-traced my steps this year.
May 25, 1998: I had this marked as pre-empted when I worked on this proejct last year, but wasn't able to verify it when I re-traces my steps this year.    

Any info on these four air-dates is would be much appreciated, especially if it can be backed up with some evidence. I'll post the next era (July 12, 1993 - May 12, 1995) later...

 

OK, I'm really excited, because I have just had a major breakthrough in my research. If you'll remember from when I first posted the above, I've been trying to figure out ATWT's episode history (something which I have since moved to the separate As The World Turns Full Episode List thread). In doing so, I have divided the entire history of the show into 13 "eras" which are really bridges between confirmed episode numbers.

 

The 13th and final "era" stretched from episode #10,000 in 1995 to the end of the show (or, really, 1998, from which point on every episode number is known). In addition to all of the pre-emptions listed above, I came up 3 pre-emptions short. I had four episodes that I listed as potentials for the 3 remaining pre-emption slots. 

 

Something that saddens me tremendously is that so much information that was once available online can now no longer be found, due to websites being taken offline. (really, how difficult would it be for CBS to have an archive section in their website for shows that are no longer on the air?) Anyway, I achieved my breakthrough with the help of an amazing tool. If you go to archive.org in your webbrowser and then type in the URL of any site, it will show you archived backups of that site from history. Thus, even if www.cbs.com/daytime/as_the_world_turns can no longer be found, this tool allows me to see what the site looked like in, say, 2004. It's a bit touch-and-go, as some subpages will not be available and others will be, but it's EXTREMELY useful for research such as mine. 

Back to the point: although the CBS site actually wasn't much of a help, I found a former Dutch website (which I used to visit a lot and I know is a trustworthy site, they got all of their info from the official sources and translated them in Dutch). On that site I was able to confirm the pre-emptions listed above for May 25, 1998, July 4, 1997 (which is a bit odd, as it is the ONLY year I can find where the 4th of July was pre-empted, but OK) and January 1, 1997. Although I wasn't able to confirm anything (either airing or pre-emption) for December 31, 1996, since there was only room for 3 more pre-emptions, that episode must have aired. (In general, December 31-episodes aired much more often than January 1-episodes, which were almost always pre-empted, so that makes sense). 

With this info, we are able to connect 1998 to 1995, which means that ALL of the episodes from #10,000 onwards are now accounted for.

 

There are, however, a few minor irregularities. I feel confident enough about this info to "close the case" and move to the next era, but ANY further verifications are always very welcome, especially on these irregularities:

 

1.) The Dutch page I was referring to actually marked the March 17, 1997 episode as having been pre-empted. They marked the March 7, 1997 episode as having aired. However, I have previously verified the March 7 episode to have been pre-empted due to President Clinton's news conference. I doublechecked and that indeed happened on the 7th. I am therefore assuming that the Dutch site had the two dated mixed up.
2.) The April 5, 1996 episode, which aired on a Friday ended with Dan Region saying "join us tomorrow", instead of welcoming us to "join us again Monday". I'm assuming it was a TPTB oversight... but that seems to have rarely ever happened.

3.) In the Scrapbook, there is a section that follows the filming of one particular episode. The Scrapbook mentions this to be episode #10,155 and lists the airdate as December 22, 1995. According to my info, #10,155 aired the 21st, while #10,156 aired the 22nd. The Scrapbook, much as I love it, is actually filled with tiny little errors like this, so I am assuming it is very possible that they were simply one day off.  

 

 

Anyway, now that we have connected September 17, 2010 to May 12, 1995, it is time to shift our focus to the next era: 1993 - 1995. 

This is a tough one, as it is the era of O.J. I need to find 10 more pre-emptions. As you can see below, I have 8 pre-emption potentials, but I can't even be sure about any of them. Any help is welcome! 😉

 

On 7/17/2018 at 1:15 PM, Brolden said:

2nd era: July 12, 1993 - May 12, 1995

 

As I said last time, episode #10,000 aired on May 12, 1995.

Episode #9,548 aired July 12, 1993, as according to the Corporate Archives in Cincinnati, OH (http://www.oocities.org/televisioncity/studio/5185/sources/vidsources.html)

 

Between these two dates, I have the following pre-emptions verified:

 

1993 (post-July 12): September 6 & 10; November 25 & 26; December 24 & 31

1994: February 2/3 (because the 'Bell Tower' episode was pre-empted in much of the country, it was re-broadcast on February 3rd); March 17 & 18; September 5 & 9; November 24 & 25; December 30

1995 (pre-May 12): January 2; March 16 & 17

 

Taking these pre-emptions into account, I'm coming up 10 pre-emptions short.

 

According to btm0815ma's comments on magilla71's 1994 video's on youtube, the show was pre-empted on January 17, 1994 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbv9jZMbKLg). The January 14 episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmq6-qW1IE) does say 'join us again Monday', but I'm assuming this might be one of those unscheduled pre-emptions. The episode that btm0815ma says to be from February 18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhKtPEWYKek) says the show won't be seen the following Monday, which would be February 21.

 

So if btm0815ma is to be trusted (and I think he/she is, based on their multiple specific datings), January 17, 1994 and February 21, 1994 would have been pre-empted. That leaves 8 more pre-emptions. I have the following episodes (exactly 8) marked as 'potentially pre-empted':

 

September 13, 1993: Oslo Accords signing

June 30, 1994: O.J.

July 1, 1994: O.J.

July 4, 1994: O.J.

July 5, 1994: O.J.

July 6, 1994: O.J.

July 7, 1994: O.J.

January 24, 1995: O.J. (opening statements)

So, assuming these 8 episodes were all pre-empted, I'm actually able to connect episodes #9,548 through #10,000. But I don't actually know for sure these 8 episodes were pre-empted. I know the show was pre-empted because of O.J. a lot, but I'm not sure it was these exact dates. Again, any info would be much appreciated!

 

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Actually, scratch that. I think I may have just connected episode numbers all the way back to episode #9,102 on October 2, 1991.

 

It went a little fast for my taste though, and my head is spinning a bit, so I would like to doublecheck some things tomorrow before I post.  

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On 7/17/2018 at 1:15 PM, Brolden said:

2nd era: July 12, 1993 - May 12, 1995

 

As I said last time, episode #10,000 aired on May 12, 1995.

Episode #9,548 aired July 12, 1993, as according to the Corporate Archives in Cincinnati, OH (http://www.oocities.org/televisioncity/studio/5185/sources/vidsources.html)

 

Between these two dates, I have the following pre-emptions verified:

 

1993 (post-July 12): September 6 & 10; November 25 & 26; December 24 & 31

1994: February 2/3 (because the 'Bell Tower' episode was pre-empted in much of the country, it was re-broadcast on February 3rd); March 17 & 18; September 5 & 9; November 24 & 25; December 30

1995 (pre-May 12): January 2; March 16 & 17

 

Taking these pre-emptions into account, I'm coming up 10 pre-emptions short.

 

According to btm0815ma's comments on magilla71's 1994 video's on youtube, the show was pre-empted on January 17, 1994 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbv9jZMbKLg). The January 14 episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmq6-qW1IE) does say 'join us again Monday', but I'm assuming this might be one of those unscheduled pre-emptions. The episode that btm0815ma says to be from February 18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhKtPEWYKek) says the show won't be seen the following Monday, which would be February 21.

 

So if btm0815ma is to be trusted (and I think he/she is, based on their multiple specific datings), January 17, 1994 and February 21, 1994 would have been pre-empted. That leaves 8 more pre-emptions. I have the following episodes (exactly 8) marked as 'potentially pre-empted':

 

September 13, 1993: Oslo Accords signing

June 30, 1994: O.J.

July 1, 1994: O.J.

July 4, 1994: O.J.

July 5, 1994: O.J.

July 6, 1994: O.J.

July 7, 1994: O.J.

January 24, 1995: O.J. (opening statements)

So, assuming these 8 episodes were all pre-empted, I'm actually able to connect episodes #9,548 through #10,000. But I don't actually know for sure these 8 episodes were pre-empted. I know the show was pre-empted because of O.J. a lot, but I'm not sure it was these exact dates. Again, any info would be much appreciated!

 

OK, so I needed to find 10 more pre-emptions. Based on btm0815's comments, that included the January 17, 1994 and February 21, 1994 episodes. I had 8 more candidates listed, but I have since found out that the O.J. Simpson pre-emptions likely lasted a day longer, including July 8, 1994. Since it is widely known that soaps were pre-empted a lot for O.J. and  since my source for the Oslo Accords was very unsure about whether or not that led to any pre-emptions, I'm going to place an estimated guess that the show was pre-empted on July 8, 1994 and that the show aired on September 13, 1993, which will allow me to connect episode numbers all the way back to October 1991. 

IF this estimated guess should be incorrect, it will most likely mean that the September 13, 1993 episode was pre-empted and the July 8, 1994 episode aired, which means every episode number in between would be off by 1 (if that were the case). 

 

The Full Episode List has been updated accordingly.

As always, any info, particularly on September 13, 1993 and July 8, 1994 will be much appreciated!

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Rona Barrets Daytimers Jan 79

Amy Gibson (LOL) and her sister Jody (ATWT) model disco fashions.

 

Anyone know who Jody played? Obviously a minor role.

 

Jody chose another career path.

Jody Gibson is an American former madam who was active in Hollywood in the late 1980s through 1990s. Going by the pseudonym "Sasha of the Valley", Gibson operated an "escort agency" in Hollywood, during which time she employed several hundred women across 16 States of the United States of America, and also in Europe

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9 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Rona Barrets Daytimers Jan 79

Amy Gibson (LOL) and her sister Jody (ATWT) model disco fashions.

 

Anyone know who Jody played? Obviously a minor role.

 

Jody chose another career path.

Jody Gibson is an American former madam who was active in Hollywood in the late 1980s through 1990s. Going by the pseudonym "Sasha of the Valley", Gibson operated an "escort agency" in Hollywood, during which time she employed several hundred women across 16 States of the United States of America, and also in Europe

LOL..she was the inspiration for GL's Amanda..the "Malibu Madame!"

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On 8/6/2019 at 8:29 AM, Paul Raven said:

 

 

Looking over synopses, 1967 seems to be a tough year in Oakdale, Both Doug Cassen and his son Neil Wade died, leaving Claire and Penny widows for the second time.

Also Sara Fuller, Bill Holmes and Joan Rogers died in that year.

Irna must have been in a morbid mood...

 

Must have been. That was the same year she had lead character Robin Fletcher kill herself by throwing herself in front of a truck on Guiding Light. But Irna was always very morbid. Ten years earlier, she had Robin’s mother, Kathy, killed when, confined to a wheelchair, she was knocked into oncoming traffic by kids on bicycles. 

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Irna had this habit of killing off characters whose performers displeased her in rather gruesome ways.  Didn't she want to kill off Liz by setting her nightgown on fire, because Liz's portrayer had appeared nude in some movie?

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On 8/19/2019 at 10:22 PM, Khan said:

Irna had this habit of killing off characters whose performers displeased her in rather gruesome ways.  Didn't she want to kill off Liz by setting her nightgown on fire, because Liz's portrayer had appeared nude in some movie?

 

I think I heard that too. She killed her off in another morbid but creative way when she fell up the stairs. 

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On 8/20/2019 at 12:22 PM, Khan said:

Irna had this habit of killing off characters whose performers displeased her in rather gruesome ways.  Didn't she want to kill off Liz by setting her nightgown on fire, because Liz's portrayer had appeared nude in some movie?

That is a story I have read many times.

Jane House I believe was the actress in question and had appeared nude in the play Lenny. But when Liz was killed off she was being played by Judith McGillan.

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So in the past couple years I've pretty much for better or worse re-watched a lot of ATWT from 1993-1998, any suggestions of where to start at next? 

 

Speaking of Molly a few pages back @Khan, I did venture in 1999 just enough to see Molly make her  epic diss of Yvonne Perry's Rosanna. "Hi Rosanna I'm your cousin Molly, oh those clothes look so dowdy on someone so rich!" The biggest problem with Molly during the first couple years was she was pushed everywhere without rhyme and reason: a retcon history of her and Holden having a child, pushed into the Stenbeck family, and then was also Carly's cousin! No, Dusty Donovan never pushed her into the Snyder Pond either. Her pairing with Jake was a breathe of fresh air and allowed Molly to finally develop on her own and let Kay's acting abilities shine through  There was a reason it was so great when Kay's Molly returned in 2009 with a typical Molly down on her luck story with a nefarious man story. 

 

😦 at Finn Carter's arrest btw. 

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Figured this was the best place to put this. But I read on another board that Renee Props was actually on the season finale of Animal Kingdom on TNT tonight. It was said she still looked good, and the poster was glad she didn't go the plastic surgery route. So I am assuming she still looks like herself. (I don't watch the show, so I can't say first-hand.)

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