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1 hour ago, KMan101 said:

 

Hogan was the Ron before Ron Carlivati LOL. Just randomly pulling out a son for Cricket who hadn't, if at all, been mentioned or referred to prior. I liked Hogan (he still had his many many flaws) before he was saddled with Jean.

 

Hogan always randomly brought back the most obscure characters that nobody was asking for, even as the fans begged for even a cameo of Scott DeFreitas/Andy.

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1 hour ago, BetterForgotten said:

Hogan's first year or so - I get it it, it was something different and the show had more energy than it had for a while. It wasn't classic ATWT though. I think the wheels quickly fell off after that first year (before Jean came along) and it was just one big muddled mess held together by some decent actors and scriptwriters. Hogan's always been offensive and lazy trash, in the Bob Guza mold. 

 

It did fall apart after the first year.

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1 hour ago, BetterForgotten said:

Hogan's first year or so - I get it it, it was something different and the show had more energy than it had for a while. It wasn't classic ATWT though. I think the wheels quickly fell off after that first year (before Jean came along) and it was just one big muddled mess held together by some decent actors and scriptwriters. Hogan's always been offensive and lazy trash, in the Bob Guza mold. 

 

This is what I've been saying for years now!  Sheffer gets credit for simply pulling the show out of its slumber.  It was in the doldrums, tbh but his version of ATWT was vastly different from anything resembling the show's classic years.

 

35 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

It did fall apart after the first year.

 

It really did and because Sheffer had added a consistently absurdist element to so many aspects of the storytelling, everyone that came after him seemed to double down on that element.

1 hour ago, amybrickwallace said:

Well, then the Giolitos should look into who put online that Lindsay has been married to a Zach Ashby since 2013, and that she and Rick have been divorced since 2004. Yikes!

 

Maybe because Lindsay hasn't really been an actress in awhile that the information, nobody bothered to update the information but it is still up there--her IMDB page and Wikipedia page still lists Rick Giolito as her husband.

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It's a battle of the P&G actresses! We've got Colleen* promoting department store goods and at 30:51, Marcia McCabe** hawking jewelry. Come for the soap actresses, stay for the array of promos and commercials for 1983's, uh, eclectic batch of Christmas releases. I guess the ads for Yentl and Terms of Endearment were airing during Knots Landing's breaks.

*I'm 90 percent sure it's her.

**This one I'm less sure of.

 

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On 9/13/2015 at 4:21 PM, NothinButAttitude said:

 

I think that is what hurt soaps in the 90s forward. Everyone seemed to forget soap brands. Certain soaps, preferably the ABC soaps and DAYS, could tell over the top stories. It was in their wheel house. I feel like P&G hurt itself by trying to do the same. P&G soaps were always the most grounded soaps and focused more on real issues. 

 

While Another World was on it's way down, I still feel that she could've turned the show around. Another World just needed a few tweaks and it would've been fine and could've lasted a lot longer than it did. 

 

Plus, I blame her for putting Goutman and Wheeler in EP positions, which would cause detriment to ATWT & GL.

+ 1,000,000

 

ALL OF THIS!!

 

The wheels came off this INCREDIBLE drama when Marland died, and they never were placed back on.  I know many didn't like the Royce Keller story, but I loved it.  That was the last story I enjoyed on this show.  Yes, it is post Marland,  but it still felt like an ATWT story.  

 

Past that the show lost it's character chasing stunts.  It was a sad sight to behold, because this was a jewel of a show.  

 

I loved Days, and accepted the camp because it was a standard feature of that show by this time.  ATWT had maintained it's integrity (Well, besides the head shrinking) and had remained a show devoted to character dissection.  I loved it for that reason.  Watching it wander so far from that path was an excruciating experience. 

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From what I read Terry Lester (Royce Keller) was a friend of Doug Marland and after Marland died, things went awry.  I guess somehow Lester didn't fit into the newly evolving show structure without Marland.

 

AW had offers to keep it going but P&G didn't want to sell or make any type of agreement that would save the show.  Looking back, it's obvious they gradually aimed to divest themselves completely of their entertainment properties and they didn't want to turn over their properties to any other entity.  ATWT also had an offer from CBS to save it and P&G refused.

 

P&G gave a limited amount of time to the SoapClassics people to convert some classic episodes from their titles to digital (like, what eight weeks or so, if that?) before they snatched it back.  Not even a year.  Not even a season.  A big part of the problem of what happened to these soaps rests with P&G and the dysfunctional ways in which they operate.

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3 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

From what I read Terry Lester (Royce Keller) was a friend of Doug Marland and after Marland died, things went awry.  I guess somehow Lester didn't fit into the newly evolving show structure without Marland.

 

AW had offers to keep it going but P&G didn't want to sell or make any type of agreement that would save the show.  Looking back, it's obvious they gradually aimed to divest themselves completely of their entertainment properties and they didn't want to turn over their properties to any other entity.  ATWT also had an offer from CBS to save it and P&G refused.

 

P&G gave a limited amount of time to the SoapClassics people to convert some classic episodes from their titles to digital (like, what eight weeks or so, if that?) before they snatched it back.  Not even a year.  Not even a season.  A big part of the problem of what happened to these soaps rests with P&G and the dysfunctional ways in which they operate.

Suddenly, it all makes perfect sense.  

 

The way Packer and Backus wrote Lester out was abrupt and ridiculous.  However, as usual Lester's performance saved the day.  Once he was done, they were done....to be honest. 

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7 hours ago, DaysFanatic777 said:

I know many didn't like the Royce Keller story, but I loved it.  That was the last story I enjoyed on this show.

 

Same.  For one thing, look at some of the players involved: Elizabeth Hubbard, Terry Lester, Mary Kay Adams, Joseph Breen, Richard Bekins.  It was practically a long-time soap fan's wet dream, lol.

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7 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

With actors like that in the same story, how could a soap go wrong?

 

Ineptitude. 

After Marland died, ATWT was left with a series of hacks, to put it mildly.  So much so, that by the time the show got to Hogan Sheffer, it was in dire straits. 

People praise Sheffer for doing the least (basically making the show watchable) but Sheffer knew nothing about the actual characters, who he wrote as completely OOC-- half the time Sheffer thought he was writing for AMC, as mentioned in his Emmys acceptance speech.  After that speech, people should've seen the signs on what was to come.

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