As The World Turns Discussion Thread

[Brolden]

Wow, thanks for that info. Glad you're feeling better.

 

I certainly don't want to hold up your activities in the cast list and soap hopper departments, but down the line, I'd be downright fascinated to see more of these family trees listed in that treasure trove of a notebook of yours. 

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It always seems odd to me that by 1991-1992, while Marland was still at the helm, there was such an influx of newbies. If you read the scrapbook, there are so many new names around this time, both surrounding the Crawford mystery as well as at the Snyder farm, it's just hard to follow along at times. Especially since many of those characters never appeared again after their initial stint. I wonder what it was like at the time. I've always pictured the show going downhill after Marland's death, but it seems like this couldn't have been an easy period to watch. 

[danfling]

Actor James Karen, who played Dr. Burke on As the World Turns, has passed away.   I will post an obituary when I have one to share.

[DramatistDreamer]

James Karen had such an impressive body of work (his final project is still in production), I'm pretty sure everyone on this board knows him from somewhere. I remember him from an episode of The Golden Girls and who can forget his turn as the racist man who George saves on The Jeffersons??

 

His time on ATWT was before I was born but it sure would be nice is there was a clip out there somewhere that could be uploaded to YouTube by someone.  CBS, remarkably produced a bunch of pristine clips of classic ATWT before the show was cancelled and I see some rare episodes from the 60s up there, so I hope one of him on this show can be found...somehow.

 

As a child, growing up in the NYC tri-state area, I also remember him as Mr. Pathmark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcIrNPcknpk

 

Don't these YouTube videos embed anymore?

[P.J.]

Burke, as in Susan's dad? The Bible gives his name as Fred and Karen's tenure as mid to late '60's.

 

He truly is one of those faces you recognize, but can't exactly remember what from.

Edited October 25, 2018 by P.J.

[slick jones]

 

JAMES KAREN 

 

LOVE OF LIFE     Clerk of the Barrowsville Hotel    1950s

AS THE WORLD TURNS           Dr. Fred Burke       1967-70

ALL MY CHILDREN       Lincoln "Linc" Tyler    1970

THE BEST OF EVERYTHING      Fred Shalimar      1970

LOVE OF LIFE            Parson    1971

EXECUTIVE SUITE          Carson       1976

KNOTS LANDING         Max Craig     1982

DALLAS           Elton Lawrence        1982-83

EMERALD POINT, N.A.S        Admiral Lovell     1983;1984

DYNASTY         Avril Dawson               1984

CLASS OF 96       Professor   Drake           1993

MELROSE PLACE     Judge Mike Thomas        1994

SISTERS             Judge             1996

BEVERLY HILLS 90210         Minister          1998

 

not soaps but.....

THE WALTONS         Martin Walters       1975

FAMILY                      Dr. Addison       1977

EIGHT IS ENOUGH       Elliott Randolph        1977-81   occasional

THE POWERS OF MATTHEW STAR       Major Wymore    1983

NED AND STACEY   Patrick Kirkland        1996-97; 1999

 

 

Rest in Peace to a fine actor.

 

@P.J. does this help?

[P.J.]

 

Kinda, but not really. I know he's been on shows I watched like Waltons, Golden Girls, etc.  But thanks. 

[~bl~]

Thanks DramatistDreamer, that's how I know him, he's the Pathmark Guy! I never knew his real name, or that he had been in soaps. I remember the Jeffersons episode also, but didn't put that together.

[DramatistDreamer]

You're welcome @~bl~.

 

To those who might still be fuzzy, here's a screenshot with a scene from The Golden Girls where he played Raymond, the boyfriend who couldn't get alone time with Dorothy because Sophia was always tagging along.

 

[Soapsuds]

 

[P.J.]

Checking out his IMDB, he's done plenty of episodic television. He's even in one of my favorite MASH episodes, Say No More. (Margaret gets laryngitis, and Charles arranges for the lecturer (played by Karen) to come to the 4077.)

[Brolden]

 

That's the one. Fred and Julia Burke were Susan's parents. 
 

Having only watched the show from 2000 onwards (an era in which Susan herself was unfortunately barely seen, apart from 2004), it's fascinating to me that she has parents. I mean, obviously she has parents, but I just can't picture Susan as a girl being told off by her father or her mother. 

 

If only I could see some of those episodes.

Does anyone here know, since there were several actresses to play the role before Marie Masters, if Fred and Julia were still around by the time Masters took on the role?

[FrenchFan]

Apparently yes. Masters joined in 1968 and James Karen left in late 1969 or very early 1970 when he became the first Linc Tyler as AMC premiered.

[DramatistDreamer]

The NYT wrote an obituary on James Karen, including a clip of George Clooney telling a funny anecdote at the AFI awards.

 

James Karen, Veteran Actor and ‘Pathmark Man,’ Dies at 94

[P.J.]

 

YES!! I understand completely. As someone who grew up with the show always on, and who thought she had a good understanding of history, sometimes little nuggets blow my mind. (Like Bob being Nancy's youngest child, as my memories only begin in the 70's, when Penny was already gone and Don is just kinda a vague picture in a book)

 

BTW, I checked the book, and Susan's mother is around until 1975. My guess would be Fred died. But I never recall Susan ever bringing up her mother. 

[DramatistDreamer]

I know that some people don't like too many Snyders in their ATWT but the use of music in this episode is exquisite.  I wish the condition of this video were better (hello, wavy heads!) but at least it's watchable, lol.

 

The fact that there are no commercials in this episode really serves to highlight how seamless the transitions between scenes truly is.  The friendship between Margo and Shannon was truly underrated, rarely duplicated in the years that followed and I owe that dynamic to HBS and MR.  That scene of Margo in bed plaintive and weeping is one of the best scenes illustrating loneliness that I've seen on a daytime soap.  Then the contrast to the next day of Margo trying to minimize the effects, particularly in her scenes with Frannie and Shannon make it all the more effective.  Even her scene with her nephew Bryant were pretty poignant (when soaps could afford baby actors and not dolls, lol).

 

I don't know why Roy and Duncan's bickering scene make me laugh ("Oh no, you're right, it was obviously Little Orphan Annie!").  Roy and Duncan were obviously set up to be antagonists to each other early on (later on, they'd be rivals, of course).  This Charles, who works for Duncan has a horrible Scott brogue. 

I wish there were more episodes from May 1987, tensions were building all around.  That final scene were exes collide, the exchange of glances was highly intriguing.  And again, as in the rest of this episode, the music was such a mood.  The previous episode was good too.