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They need to bring back Phaedra and be done with it haha.  Trailer does look good though and this series always does better with a bunch of side characters.  I'm looking forward to a Nene-less season.  

 

Is Atlanta the only series that still films well after the trailer drops?  Always seems odd that no other series does this...  

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1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

 

Marlo works best as a friend.  

 

5 housewives is the way to go.  6 is also ok...but 7 or more is way too much.

I think RHOM would beg to differ

 

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47 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

They need to bring back Phaedra and be done with it haha.  Trailer does look good though and this series always does better with a bunch of side characters.  I'm looking forward to a Nene-less season.  

 

Is Atlanta the only series that still films well after the trailer drops?  Always seems odd that no other series does this...  

I think depending on how crazy the drama is for a season...or how boring in the case of BH last year where they had to expand the season filming, it is not unusual. And then you have POTOMAC...and I want to say NJ but I might be running where they start filming the new season almost immediately after the reunion wraps/airs/films so...

 

What can I say? Those Georgia peaches keep it hopping...even their down time is usually filled with drama that the producers WISHED they got on film.

 

ETA: So many goodies up in these last few pages. Cuz wait to get off work with a glass of wine and dish. 

 

@ChitHappens thanks for the heads-up about Karen and Monique getting squared. I was definitely worried. 

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I just don’t care about Atlanta anymore. I’m going to watch obviously but with Potomac being the gold standard now, Atlanta just doesn’t have it anymore. 
 

And I had to roll my eyes at millionaire and then some Kandi, complaining about child support. Didn’t she just buy her kid a Porsche?

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4 hours ago, Antoyne said:

I just don’t care about Atlanta anymore. I’m going to watch obviously but with Potomac being the gold standard now, Atlanta just doesn’t have it anymore. 
 

And I had to roll my eyes at millionaire and then some Kandi, complaining about child support. Didn’t she just buy her kid a Porsche?

Potomac has definitely surpassed RHOA, but I'm willing to give it a try. I think the non-Nene season was one of the best, so fingers crossed this is going to be a good season. 

 

As for Kandi, I sort of see your point, but just because  Kandi is wealthy that doesn't mean Riley's father should not have any responsibilities. 

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6 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

5 housewives is the way to go.  6 is also ok...but 7 or more is way too much.

 

See, I am the total opposite. I am like stack the cast. Realistically, all these shows need 7-10 housewives. That equals more drama and less filler episodes. Season 7 of NYC shows why more is best. Potomac is thriving even more because the network increased the cast. 

 

Atlanta needs to have a full season with 7 housewives. I've always felt like that's why season 7 wasn't as great as it could've been because the network basically edited out Demetria and should've went ahead and kept Porsha full-time that season. 

 

For ATL, this should've been the season where they should've dragged in the equal amount of new housewives to the vets (Porsha, Kenya, Cynthia, Kandi). This should've been a season of 8. And if Bravo would stop trying to cast folks with "clout" and instead look for nobodies, this show would pop again. 

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8 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Season 7 of NYC shows why more is best.

That was an awesome season, although Kristen Taekman could have been a “friend of” for all her little screen time. And S8 had seven women and was just as strong. No one felt neglected that season (in spite of Bethenny’s unseemly quest for dominance). I prefer an ensemble feel. It keeps the center of gravity from going too far in one direction and keeps the dynamic from getting too monotonous.

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1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

That was an awesome season, although Kristen Taekman could have been a “friend of” for all her little screen time. And S8 had seven women and was just as strong. No one felt neglected that season (in spite of Bethenny’s unseemly quest for dominance). I prefer an ensemble feel. It keeps the center of gravity from going too far in one direction and keeps the dynamic from getting too monotonous.

 

Despite being seen very much, Kristen (IMO) still played a pivotal role in s7. Even though she annoyed me at time, looking back, I couldn't imagine the season without her. 

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On 10/28/2020 at 5:26 AM, Cat said:

 

Thank you for laying it out like that. Seeing Monique filming mostly alone on the show and After Show, it is hard not to shake the feeling that Gizelle has triumphed in getting Monique iced from the show -- kind of like the Manzos got Danielle iced from NJ, even though she was a fan favorite. I still feel like the deck is stacked against Mo, but I also recognize that production need her. Monique *IS* the only storyline this season.

 

The 3 major physical altercations last season and this season have one common denominator. I actually feel empathy for Candidacy because, like Monique, she has anger issues that she is not confronting. She is trying to temper that anger, but a lot of the other women are more than happy to push her buttons in order to achieve a desired result. Candiace's rage obvs stems from her dictatorial mother and feelings of powerlessness over her own life. So she acts confrontational in order to feel powerful.

 

Re: the bold. Wendy is in financial strife? 

 

 

Kathy seems especially close to Kim so we will prob see more of her. I do think you are right and Kathy will be there to pull a Faye and reinforce how 'wonderful' Kyle is. I enjoyed the glimpse of Kathy, Kris Jenner and Faye together at the charity auction last season because they looked like a power triumvirate. You know it must have intimidated the sh*t out of Rinna with her paltry charity bid.

 

I remember in S5 when Kim's daughter was getting married, Kathy was helping Kim organise the wedding outfits. Kyle showed up pretending to be involved, and Kathy could  not  even  look  at her . Every time Kaftan opined about Kim's outfit, Kathy would talk over her and steer Kim back to Kathy's choices, lol. This is the Kathy we want to see!

 

I hope you are right about BH keeping a lid on leaks. It has been egregious the past two years. Brandi was obviously flapping her gums on Twitter months before anything aired, but I'm sure she had the thumbs-up from production to build anticipation. And from a ratings POV, it did work.

 

I like the look of the newbie but I also hope Sutton will be back permanently.

 

 

Speaking of RHONY:

 

Heather is cited by Eboni as part of the main cast. This group is looking good!

 

 

 

On 10/28/2020 at 4:00 PM, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Yup. 

 

Someone in Wendy's camp has been leaking to blogs that she and Eddie are basically broke due to all their student loan debts (reasonable and relatable in this age), so this show is a way to help pay those debts. 

 

It makes sense why she has a hard on with fighting with Karen (the star) and being pro-icing out Monique. It makes it easier to want keep her around another season. 

 

 

 

 

This is the article that best summed up Wendy's situation...student loan debt is a reality for many...but $1.5 million in student loan debt is stupidity to a degree worthy of a PhD:

 

https://screenrant.com/real-housewives-potomac-wendy-osefo-debt-shunned/

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14 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

 

This is the article that best summed up Wendy's situation...student loan debt is a reality for many...but $1.5 million in student loan debt is stupidity to a degree worthy of a PhD:

 

https://screenrant.com/real-housewives-potomac-wendy-osefo-debt-shunned/

 

It's definitely a reality and very relatable! Universities are prohibitively expensive. I imagine Wendy has loans for undergrad, her masters AND her PhD. Hubby probably has undergrad and grad school loans. All that bundled together must be a massive amount.

 

That article was a doozy. The stuff about the Nigerian caste system was something else. I don't know if that 'source' was Wendy's mother-in-law but they really are not fans of her or her mother!

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On 10/27/2020 at 9:42 AM, chrisml said:

I don't buy Karen's marriage storyline for one second. It all reeks of a storyline cooked up for the show since she didn't do much last year. I know most people think she walks on water, but I find her "grande dame" act to be just that. IT may also be that I revisited the first season where she was awful so I don't buy this Lady Bountiful routine. I do think there are moments when she is wonderful (telling the women they needed to be more compassionate to wig-impaired Katie is a highlight; bringing up last year with C and A) but like Gizelle's current relationship, I'm skeptical and not accepting it. I'm willing to be wrong, but I can't square season one Karen with the wise yoda woman she's presenting herself this season. I also think it's telling that fans seem to "worship" Karen, but Bravo doesn't do much with her outside of the show. I wonder if Karen is a Shannon who is a terror behind the scenes. 

 

Karen has a point about Candaice/Ashley last year, but I always find people who remain neutral do the most damage. These tend to be the same people who say "I don't do politics." Monique's annoyance that they won't let her show her change just tells me she didn't change. No one has to give her a chance to show change when she acted violently especially when it's mainly about you getting seats in an oversold event. It's not up to them to make the effort; it's up to Monique, and clearly, Monique is not willing to do the work. Ms. Neutral is smart enough to know that if she answered the "What would you do?" question, it would be a plot point. She could have remained truly neutral, and said, "Candaice, only you know how to handle this situation, and I will support any decision you make." She knew she'd get airtime if she answered.

 

I would never denigrate Wendy for being educated, or for being a doctor. She put in a lot of hard work, and that is a major accomplishment. She didn't just marry a much older man to get status (that may seem like a dig at Karen but it was unintentional as I was thinking of RHOBH). She worked to get where she's at today and she should call herself Doctor any chance she gets. I would if I had the same education. If Wendy were coming after Gizelle, viewers would be cheering her in the streets. 

TBF, Karen would not be the first housewife to play the 'marriage in trouble' storyline. Nene got seasons (and a spinoff) out of it by allegedly faking a divorce, breakup, getbacktogether, and remarriage out of it. So I cannot pick on her for that if it's true.

 

I personally don't think it's true myself. I know I have said why I stand with Karen who has arguably had the best arc from Season 1 to 5 (I could also see Ashley given that up until this season she had gotten off my nerves, but like a true soap villainess, she got her comeuppance last season which might have something to do with that) from stuck up queen to just queen now. But to sum it up again...especially today of all days...nothing and I mean NOTHING will humble a person more than the loss of a parent. And Karen lost both of her...BACK TO BACK. 

 

I have had years to process my loss and it hurts. Moreso this year because Corona tried it with my Mother and that definitely had me in my feels. Not out of the woods but the 14 days have passed. And just worrying on top of everything going on in 2020 it definitely has put how I feel about my mother in a different life and how I am not ready to lose her. The loss of my father shattered me and it took years for me to function. Just thinking about potentially losing my mother...can't. Not strong enough.

 

Is she an act? She was. Still is, but I think she is NOW in on the joke which makes her far more entertaining and more importantly relatable. Not perfect, still human. But the loss of her parents have made her a different person. Thinking about life. Thinking about things she want to see before she goes I suspect. And we see her drive. Her in the moment. And I won't fault her for that. Life is short. 

 

Now as for Bravo...they are always trying to manipulate who the audience should like. We all are smart enough to know better for the most part. BH should reveal how tone deaf they are that they basically kept everyone and if some singer's daughter had not gotten in trouble in real life, she might still be there, too. Gizelle is just fetch...and we all know that is not going to EVER happen. She is just proof that Andy Cohen still has some control over who we should be seeing and his bias is showing. Which is fine. More people like scene stealers anyway...which La Grande Dame clearly has done with the audience.

 

I said what I said. 

On 10/27/2020 at 10:27 AM, ChitHappens said:

THE moment Gizilla decided she would hate Monique forever!

 

 

THIS. 

 

Always.

 

She's been trying to destroy her ever since.

On 10/27/2020 at 4:16 PM, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Monique has Ashley and Karen who will film with her going forward. 

 

It won't be hard for production to strong arm Wendy or Robyn into filming with Monique seeing as both of them are in financial strife and won't put up much a fight if push comes to shove. 

 

Gizelle is a blowhard and says she'll never film with Monique again, but I doubt it. Gizzy needs Monique on the show because as long as Monique is there, Gizzy has someone to rival with outside of Karen, thus further allowing her to keep her skeletons in her closet. 

 

Candaice is the one that is refusing to film with Monique going forward, but I don't think that will hold much clout come time of contract renewals. I personally think that by Candaice putting this ultimatum out there, it'll force the network's hand but not in a good way. For example, look at Nene. Look at LVP. Look at Dorinda. When they all pitched a fit about the network wanting to bring people they didn't care for back into the fold, it bit them all in the ass by having the network run them off in the end. 

 

If Monique remains calm, cool, and collected, which she normally does at the reunion, she'll come up with the upper hand. Going off the midseason trailer, I think it is gonna be hard for Candaice to play victim of violence when it appears that she and Broke Chris get buck with Ashley and Michael on the finale. 

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I feel if Monique leaves, it will be by her choice. She has basically said anyway. 

 

On 10/28/2020 at 5:26 AM, Cat said:

 

Thank you for laying it out like that. Seeing Monique filming mostly alone on the show and After Show, it is hard not to shake the feeling that Gizelle has triumphed in getting Monique iced from the show -- kind of like the Manzos got Danielle iced from NJ, even though she was a fan favorite. I still feel like the deck is stacked against Mo, but I also recognize that production need her. Monique *IS* the only storyline this season.

 

The 3 major physical altercations last season and this season have one common denominator. I actually feel empathy for Candidacy because, like Monique, she has anger issues that she is not confronting. She is trying to temper that anger, but a lot of the other women are more than happy to push her buttons in order to achieve a desired result. Candiace's rage obvs stems from her dictatorial mother and feelings of powerlessness over her own life. So she acts confrontational in order to feel powerful.

 

Re: the bold. Wendy is in financial strife? 

 

 

Kathy seems especially close to Kim so we will prob see more of her. I do think you are right and Kathy will be there to pull a Faye and reinforce how 'wonderful' Kyle is. I enjoyed the glimpse of Kathy, Kris Jenner and Faye together at the charity auction last season because they looked like a power triumvirate. You know it must have intimidated the sh*t out of Rinna with her paltry charity bid.

 

I remember in S5 when Kim's daughter was getting married, Kathy was helping Kim organise the wedding outfits. Kyle showed up pretending to be involved, and Kathy could  not  even  look  at her . Every time Kaftan opined about Kim's outfit, Kathy would talk over her and steer Kim back to Kathy's choices, lol. This is the Kathy we want to see!

 

I hope you are right about BH keeping a lid on leaks. It has been egregious the past two years. Brandi was obviously flapping her gums on Twitter months before anything aired, but I'm sure she had the thumbs-up from production to build anticipation. And from a ratings POV, it did work.

 

I like the look of the newbie but I also hope Sutton will be back permanently.

 

 

Speaking of RHONY:

 

Heather is cited by Eboni as part of the main cast. This group is looking good!

 

 

That's something else to factor in re: Monique. I don't know if you watched her IG when she revealed the BTS about the rumor and Gizelle and group's role in it, but it was clear that production LOVES Monique. Otherwise they would not have gone out of their way to contain for the better part of two years (?). You could even see that during the fight. Heck, they seem to love everybody...James with Ashley and Michael during the dinner where Michael was being dramatic and Just during the fight with the one producer trying to get Candiace in the car. Compare that to that one producer and Denise Richards over on BH. They are definitely a tight-knit crew. And that factors as well.

 

Well, if Kathy must be there on BH, I expect to see more of Kim so we might get the 'full' view of their sister dynamic. And I want the Kathy you showed above. But I feel we are just going to get Faye Lite since Kyle's attempt to bring back Season 1 Kyle failed.

 

 

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On 10/28/2020 at 12:51 PM, Cheap21 said:

Claudia DRAGGED the dogsh-t out of Nene!

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG5grJhDIYi/

As she SHOULD HAVE. 

 

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19 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

 

See, I am the total opposite. I am like stack the cast. Realistically, all these shows need 7-10 housewives. That equals more drama and less filler episodes. Season 7 of NYC shows why more is best. Potomac is thriving even more because the network increased the cast. 

 

Atlanta needs to have a full season with 7 housewives. I've always felt like that's why season 7 wasn't as great as it could've been because the network basically edited out Demetria and should've went ahead and kept Porsha full-time that season. 

 

For ATL, this should've been the season where they should've dragged in the equal amount of new housewives to the vets (Porsha, Kenya, Cynthia, Kandi). This should've been a season of 8. And if Bravo would stop trying to cast folks with "clout" and instead look for nobodies, this show would pop again. 

Agree as well. So many dynamics to work with with 6, 7...even 8. 

 

But isn't the tea on Bravo when it comes to hiring is that they want nobodies so that if they HIT, they can take the credit for 'discovering' them vs folks with clout or even other reality stars from other networks?

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And now to the good stuff: 

 

SLC

 

I liked that. 

 

Mary was easily my favorite. 

 

I also loved Lisa and Whitney.

 

I was surprised at how lurkwarm Jen's was, but I know she is going to bring it so...

 

I see you, Meredith! But don't get snatched like Wig did. 

 

Overall, very promising.

 

ATL

 

I cannot believe how middle of the road people are online about it. I thought it was pretty good. I know some people are sad about Nene, but she did that to herself. And the Neneless seasons have been good seasons too. 

 

Kenya still looks like she will be busy, stirring the pot, dealing with Marc, being Cynthia's wingman.

 

I am still looking forward to Porsha's activism though it seems like that will be the center of her reemerging feud with Kenya. Thus the producers' comments...and I cannot believe the producers are really popping up on ALL the shows this year. And then...Strippergate? Well, Kenya always wanted to get back at Tanya so let's see how that plays out.

 

Curious to see how Bravo will do this Cynthia wedding. I was thinking kinda like how NY did LuAnn and Tom's wedding with the before and after and we still got to see her plan her wedding. But...we'll see.

 

I like Drew so far. Same for Latoya. 

 

Intrigued. 

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ATL never lets us down even if it’s not a standout season. I feel like this will watchable, but I think people aren’t enthusiastic because they didn’t really give us much to be excited about. You don’t have a big new housewife or multiple housewives joining so it just feels flat. Now that doesn’t mean it WILL be flat, but we have to wait and see. 
 

What I will say, Atlanta is FULL of stars and other reality shows get big people so why can’t ATL? I think what they truly need is a new production company. For their next season they need a Garcelle and a Sutton. A big name and someone with money and lifestyle (perhaps Falynn will bring the lifestyle). They just always seem so underwhelming with their casting. 

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10 minutes ago, Chris B said:

ATL never lets us down even if it’s not a standout season. I feel like this will watchable, but I think people aren’t enthusiastic because they didn’t really give us much to be excited about. You don’t have a big new housewife or multiple housewives joining so it just feels flat. Now that doesn’t mean it WILL be flat, but we have to wait and see. 
 

What I will say, Atlanta is FULL of stars and other reality shows get big people so why can’t ATL? I think what they truly need is a new production company. For their next season they need a Garcelle and a Sutton. A big name and someone with money and lifestyle (perhaps Falynn will bring the lifestyle). They just always seem so underwhelming with their casting. 

I've been on Twitter to know that a LOT was going on with the Peaches and most of it WASN'T in the trailer so I think they are hiding it. And as for drama, drama...I think we all know that will be the midseason trailer...especially if that Tanya stuff (and the LaToya happenings) is true.

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I agree with you. Say what you want about him, Carlos King had a direction and a focus for each season that good as the ladies are (the reality equivalent of ace soap actresses taking bad writing and turning it into gold), his successors have never been able to do as good. 

 

 

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@Taoboi One thing that worries me though is that Tanya is knee deep in the scandal, but she confirmed she quit the show so I wonder if she’ll do the reunion or WWHL to give her side of the story. This is why they should’ve secured a peach for her so she’d HAVE to film. 

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