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I have a friend who's first generation Asian-American and she HAAAAAAAAAAAATES the term "oriental." She hates it. I mean, I can kind of understand it...it would be as off-putting as saying "colored." It's not "the n word" but it's still not PC.

I am very confused as to why she chose to use that word. Like, what the hell was she thinking?

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And as far as this actual song is concerned? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I don't even really hear shades of "Express Yourself" in it. I feel like Gaga has turned from being a fun, oddball sensation to someone with a political/social message that she needs to cram down our throats through her public image. I want to hear more infectious tunes like "Beautiful Dirty Rich," "The Fame," "Money Honey," and "Boys Boys Boys." Those four tracks from the CD are clearly the best and ones that kind of flow together. And it harbors no secret agendas or political messages. It's about sex, fun, dicks, you know, all the stuff you're vying for when you're at the club or the bar.

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I want to hear more infectious tunes like "Beautiful Dirty Rich," "The Fame," "Money Honey," and "Boys Boys Boys."

Except... How many times exactly can you re-record the same songs? Before becoming niche? And then irrelevant?

I find her whole persona completely insane. Almost wretched. The songs could be fun, but the message makes them problematic. Not the political or social one, the bizarre occult references and things like that. Furthermore, her message to troubled teenagers isn't really all right at all. If you're asocial and troubled, you shouldn't be celebrating that, you should be seeking professional help from a licensed psychiatrist. D'oh.

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Except... How many times exactly can you re-record the same songs? Before becoming niche? And then irrelevant?

I find her whole persona completely insane. Almost wretched. The songs could be fun, but the message makes them problematic. Not the political or social one, the bizarre occult references and things like that. Furthermore, her message to troubled teenagers isn't really all right at all. If you're asocial and troubled, you shouldn't be celebrating that, you should be seeking professional help from a licensed psychiatrist. D'oh.

But everything celebrates the asocial and troubled. LOL. Glee is a perfect example of that. So is alot of what is behind this ridiculous bullying campaign hyped up by the likes of Ellen, etc. It's not to say that bullying is a "good" thing and I'm not endorsing that, but since when has it ever been a good thing to raise a nation of overly sensitive people that just always accuse someone of bullying them and are never taught to stand up for and defend themselves?

ANYWAY...

As far as that goes, what I meant by "recording more songs" like the ones I mentioned is not so much the same sound or the same style, but she needs to realize that she's not some political figure with a message. She's a pop star. And her lyrics need to be fun and fluffy.

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Yep! I love her for who she is and what she represents for many people, predominantly the gay community, but the last thing I love her for is her originality or her ego... she needs to stop trying so damn hard, and just embrace that she is a pop musician that makes decent pop music that plays well to the masses and does well in the clubs. She needs to stop claiming to be "the best of the decade" and all this B.S... the simple fact is she cannot even begin to touch Madonna in terms of icon status or talent. The claim she is somehow an icon is quite hallow (and even hollower when it comes from her or her people). She is a very insecure person.

This is basically how I feel about her. I like her music, I think she has good intentions, but she's sorta going through a bit of identity foreclosure, and it's making her very polarizing. It reminds me of when people would get outright hostile when anyone would say that Avril was "punk rawk."

But everything celebrates the asocial and troubled. LOL. Glee is a perfect example of that. So is alot of what is behind this ridiculous bullying campaign hyped up by the likes of Ellen, etc. It's not to say that bullying is a "good" thing and I'm not endorsing that, but since when has it ever been a good thing to raise a nation of overly sensitive people that just always accuse someone of bullying them and are never taught to stand up for and defend themselves?

I'm all for anti-bullying campaigns (hello, future high school teacher here!), ESPECIALLY when it concerns my little LGBT brothers and sisters, but yeah, I gotta agree. More than anything the "message" is that it's okay for you to be a bully to those who bully you, which is counteractive to the millionth degree.

But anyway, like I said, I like the lyrics/message here, but I can personally say that I've felt more empowered by songs that were less blatantly about gay power. I just don't buy the whole "Hey, she put the words gay and bi and lesbian and trans in the song! It's a gay anthem!!" thing. At least she's not as bad as Katheryn.

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On the first listen, the song is okay. I hear "Express Yourself" too but I don't mind that. I also hear "When Love Takes Over" by David Guetta ft. Kelly Rowland.

I want to hear more infectious tunes like "Beautiful Dirty Rich," "The Fame," "Money Honey," and "Boys Boys Boys."

Not a fan of those songs.

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Meh. It's alright. I have to agree that it does sound like Madonna's "Express Yourself" But, I'm not a big mainstream music fan anyways. I liked some of Gaga's stuff on The Fame though.

But, she kinda flops with this one. Compared to everything else.

Critically, I think you are right... but judging on the initial numbers she is probably poised to have her best selling single worldwide to date. The fact that she is dropping this 3 months prior to the album is probably a smart move commercially because people will be clamouring to hear anything that is Gaga... and this will be the only thing available probably until a week or two before the record drops which is when the 2nd single will probably be released. Not that that trumps the critical reception in anyway, its just kind of a sad commentary on the state of music today I guess....

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But everything celebrates the asocial and troubled. LOL. Glee is a perfect example of that. So is alot of what is behind this ridiculous bullying campaign hyped up by the likes of Ellen, etc. It's not to say that bullying is a "good" thing and I'm not endorsing that, but since when has it ever been a good thing to raise a nation of overly sensitive people that just always accuse someone of bullying them and are never taught to stand up for and defend themselves?

ANYWAY...

As far as that goes, what I meant by "recording more songs" like the ones I mentioned is not so much the same sound or the same style, but she needs to realize that she's not some political figure with a message. She's a pop star. And her lyrics need to be fun and fluffy.

Unfortunately. She also takes it on a whole new (terrifying) level.

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I want to hear more infectious tunes like "Beautiful Dirty Rich," "The Fame," "Money Honey," and "Boys Boys Boys."

Yes! I loved Just Dance and Poker Face so I went and bought the album, and for the first few weeks those songs you list were at the top in my ipod play list. Boys Boys Boys is such a fun, shallow song.

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Something fails in creative execution with this woman that I can't put my finger on. She just tries so hard to be seen as someone iconic and original and it comes off as the complete opposite. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the new album is concerned with hitting people over the head with messages like the title song is (which I don't necessarily mind message-wise). Gaga seems to think and perpetuates this image that she's more than just your average pop star, but really, she's not.

Added to that, she seems to have very little sense of humor about herself, no matter what Eric claims earlier in this thread. Everything seems so serious with her, like she thinks all of humanity depends on her sticking up for the gays and misfits for some reason.

Also, god knows she tries, but there is absolutely no sex appeal to this woman at all. Stop trying Gaga, you're pretty fug even without all the makeup and bizarre clothing.

If you have to constantly keeping telling us that this is the song and album of the decade, something is obviously wrong there.

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Color me surprised! They're the most campy, flamboyant songs on the album. I thought you'd love them.

On "The Fame" I like:

- "Just Dance"

- "LoveGame"

- "Paparazzi"

- "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)"

- "Poker Face"

- "Brown Eyes"

- "Starstruck"

- "Paper Gangsta"

- "Disco Heaven"

- "Retro, Dance, Freak"

On "The Fame Monster" I like:

- "Bad Romance"

- "Alejandro"

- "Monster"

- "Speechless"

- "Dance in the Dark"

- "Telephone"

- "So Happy I Could Die"

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