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6 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

 

Seems like Kobe was more the problem in 1983/4.

 

Watching 1983 and early 1984, Long had a fairly well balanced canvas.  She wrote quite a bit for Amanda, Hope, and Hilary before Kobe's vindictive side resulted in all 3 being fired.

 

Long had a good idea on how to write, she just needed a strong EP (which she got with Calhoun in her 2nd stint).

 

I think during her first stint, Long was a mixed bag. Her ignorance of history led to various problems, as did her sci-fi-ish fantasy stories. To her credit, much later she admitted that on soaps, when it came to fantasy or reality-based material, it was "better to get real." On the other hand, Long wrote for certain characters and delineated their relationships well. She needed guidance and a solid editor more than anything, IMHO, and Gail Kobe did not fit the bill. Long's stint under Calhoun was significantly better.

 

Mimi Torchin of Soap Opera Weekly had an interview with Kobe once, in which Torchin said the characters were the prime draw and most important force on soaps. Kobe disagreed and said characters were secondary to plot. That's the sort of attitude which crippled the soap opera medium. Gutting 2/3 of the cast and going heavy on dumb plot mechanics is what crippled TGL in the 1980s. 

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6 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

Mimi Torchin of Soap Opera Weekly had an interview with Kobe once, in which Torchin said the characters were the prime draw and most important force on soaps. Kobe disagreed and said characters were secondary to plot. That's the sort of attitude which crippled the soap opera medium. Gutting 2/3 of the cast and going heavy on dumb plot mechanics is what crippled TGL in the 1980s. 

 

Sorry, but anyone who believes plot sells soaps is not thinking straight. There is a way to do a story, and have it be character-developing... but you lose your cast and you lose your characters, then you lose your audience.

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5 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

 

Sorry, but anyone who believes plot sells soaps is not thinking straight. There is a way to do a story, and have it be character-developing... but you lose your cast and you lose your characters, then you lose your audience.

 

Yep, and that's what happened to many soaps, once clueless and incompetent PTB started axing veteran actors/characters and going the stupid science-fiction/fantasy route. After a brief "novelty period," the mainstream audience defected in droves.

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2 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Yep, and that's what happened to many soaps, once clueless and incompetent PTB started axing veteran actors/characters and going the stupid science-fiction/fantasy route. After a brief "novelty period," the mainstream audience defected in droves.

 

I'm all for creating a balance; if you want to tell a story that is purely plot-dictated, ensure there is a way for characters to be developed within the storyline. And there is a way to do it... but TPTB seem to be incapable of successfully doing that.

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On 6/15/2021 at 3:13 AM, vetsoapfan said:

 

I thought the change had taken place in about November of 1982, but...closing credits don't lie, LOL. Thanks for the info.

 

 

Definitely not. Kobe was still Executive Producer of Texas in November 1982. If I recall correctly, NBC announced the cancellations of Texas and The Doctors in early November 1982. The personnel change at GL that occurred in November was the replacement of Pat Falken Smith by L. Virginia Browne and Gene Palumbo.

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24 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

 

Definitely not. Kobe was still Executive Producer of Texas in November 1982. If I recall correctly, NBC announced the cancellations of Texas and The Doctors in early November 1982. The personnel change at GL that occurred in November was the replacement of Pat Falken Smith by L. Virginia Browne and Gene Palumbo.

 

Oh, of course. I should have remembered about Kobe and Texas. D'OH, me! I must have been mixing up the timing of the producer switch with the change in writers, which infuriated me at the time. If only PFS had helmed TGL during the entire decade!

 

Gracias for the memory jolt. 

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2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Oh, of course. I should have remembered about Kobe and Texas. D'OH, me! I must have been mixing up the timing of the producer switch with the change in writers, which infuriated me at the time. If only PFS had helmed TGL during the entire decade!

 

Gracias for the memory jolt. 

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I have so few memories of the PFS period. It was so quick. I know that PFS took over as head writer of Ryan's Hope in late 1983. Was she also creating Scruples when she was head writing RH? 

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In today's Locher...

 

Carolyn admitted Lisa Brown was not welcoming when she joined GL.  She placed the blame on herself saying she was intimidated by Lisa...but admitted that her pairing w/ Tom Nielsen didn't endear her to Lisa. Kristen V confirmed Lisa was always very "focused."  

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52 minutes ago, gimmetoo said:

In today's Locher...

 

Carolyn admitted Lisa Brown was not welcoming when she joined GL.  She placed the blame on herself saying she was intimidated by Lisa...but admitted that her pairing w/ Tom Nielsen didn't endear her to Lisa. Kristen V confirmed Lisa was always very "focused."  

Ohhhh..that MORGAN..still at it after all these years!!!

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1 hour ago, gimmetoo said:

In today's Locher...

 

Carolyn admitted Lisa Brown was not welcoming when she joined GL.  She placed the blame on herself saying she was intimidated by Lisa...but admitted that her pairing w/ Tom Nielsen didn't endear her to Lisa. Kristen V confirmed Lisa was always very "focused."  

 

The stuff about Lisa Brown doesn't surprise me. About 8 years ago, a friend who worked behind the scenes at ATWT and GL described Lisa and Martha Byrne as being the "mean girls" on the World Turns set.

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I loved how Carolyn said that the west coast actors thought they were stars and thus didn't need to have their line memorized. Sounds like Y&R to me.

 

Here is the interview in case anyone missed it.

 

 

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