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1 minute ago, AbcNbc247 said:

That might’ve worked but the big mystery is that would Lemay and King have been able change their style and adhere to that action/adventure, youth oriented type of storytelling? In his book, Lemay even said he didn’t like writing for the younger actors and characters except for Ray Liotta’s Joey.

 

Lemay also said he wanted Tom King to succeed him but he criticized a lot of things that Tom King had written. He didn’t like that Mac and Rachel were divorced and that Mac took Amanda from Rachel and gave her to Janice, he didn’t like the Kirk Laverty murder mystery and he hated that Janice tried to poison Mac. It was too melodramatic for him apparently.

 

I do wonder what Lemay's plans were for Janice...she didnt seem unhinged or crazy until months after he left. 

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1 minute ago, Soaplovers said:

 

I do wonder what Lemay's plans were for Janice...she didnt seem unhinged or crazy until months after he left. 

Probably Mac and Rachel would have gotten back together and Mac never would have married Janice. One thing’s for sure is that the whole Harry Must Die storyline most likely would not have happened. On the bright side, that probably would have also meant no Mitch lol 

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I know Lemay said he felt he had no choice but to write melodrama, but I don't see how the Janice story is any more extreme than the Sven saga, or introducing a sleazy boyfriend for Marianne solely to give Pat a breakdown and a murder trial. Or the Olive mess. 

 

The Mac and Rachel breakup was somewhat contrived, but the performances made it worth watching. Christine Jones was just exquisite. My complaints with that story are with the lazy, stale aftermath - anything after Janice died doesn't work for me.

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On 3/28/2020 at 3:59 PM, danfling said:

 

This is certainly not correct.  The ABC network was opposed to the change of writers.  ABC hired him almost immediately as the co-head writer of One Life to Live.

 

On 4/8/2020 at 8:52 AM, VanessaReardon said:

Bingo! Didn’t he say that he was happy writing for a medium that has 70 million fans? Wrestling. But yet he downgraded himself to write scripts for 4 million viewers to enjoy. lol And he wasn’t hired longterm. Egg on his face. 

 

14 hours ago, watson71 said:

 

Maeve Kinkead had a bad experience behind the scenes at AW with Paul Rauch- no doubt she was probably a victim of sexual harassment.  Paul Rauch probably would have lost his job nowadays with the MeToo Movement.  P&G gave her the part of Vanessa on GL probably to avoid any lawsuits.  Not long after Rauch took over at GL in the 90s, Kinkead had left GL.

Maeve left GL after a 20 year run that started in 1980 (she took three 6 month breaks during her 20 year run) and ended in 2000. Paul Rauch became EP in  Nov 1996; Maeve worked with Paul for three years/ stayed until Sept 2000.  She then returned in 2005 until the end (Wheeler/Kreizman/Swajeski).

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22 minutes ago, RavenWhitney said:

 

 

Maeve left GL after a 20 year run that started in 1980 (she took three 6 month breaks during her 20 year run) and ended in 2000. Paul Rauch became EP in  Nov 1996; Maeve worked with Paul for three years/ stayed until Sept 2000.  She then returned in 2005 until the end (Wheeler/Kreizman/Swajeski).

 

Kinkead took a year off from GL from 1996-97 when Vanessa faked her death.

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34 minutes ago, watson71 said:

 

Kinkead took a year off from GL from 1996-97 when Vanessa faked her death.

However during that time she did pop up every couple months for an episode or two

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I just want to take a minute to thank you all for keeping this thread going.  Reading these comments is exactly what I need right now. 

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Tom King seemed to have learned a thing or two from Lemay, and he was pretty good at writing for Rachel, Mac, Ada, and Iris.  But he didn't seem to understand Pat, Liz, or any of the remaining Matthews family, or the Perrini family, or just about any of Lemay's other characters (Blaine, Elena, Willis, Sylvie, etc.).  Plus, King was terrible at creating new characters.  Nearly all of his new characters were terrible failures and really harmed the show,  Additionally King hurt the show by introducing such a strong element of crime, police drama, and the mob.  For a couple of years, it seemed like half the cast was involved in plots that belonged on Edge of Night. King's only real successes were with Mac, Rachel, Ada, and Iris.  

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1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

The Mac and Rachel breakup was somewhat contrived, but the performances made it worth watching. Christine Jones was just exquisite. My complaints with that story are with the lazy, stale aftermath - anything after Janice died doesn't work for me.

 

Rachel "killing" Mitch and going on trial – earning Doug Watson an Emmy in the process -- and then going to prison before busting out to track Mitch down was riveting to me as a kid. But in retrospect, yeah, it didn't do the show or the characters any favors. 

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Condolences to Kaitlin Hopkins (AW's Dr. Kelsey Harrison) on the death of her mother, the spectacular actress Shirley Knight. According to The Hollywood Reporter, "Knight died Wednesday of natural causes at the home of her daughter, actress Kaitlin Hopkins, in San Marcos, Texas."

 

Among her many roles, Knight starred opposite Al Freeman Jr. (OLTL's Ed Hall) in the 1966 British film "The Dutchman."

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/shirley-knight-dead-sweet-bird-youth-dark-at-top-stairs-dutchman-actress-was-83-1133636?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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8 minutes ago, teplin said:

Condolences to Kaitlin Hopkins (AW's Dr. Kelsey Harrison) on the death of her mother, the spectacular actress Shirley Knight. According to The Hollywood Reporter, "Knight died Wednesday of natural causes at the home of her daughter, actress Kaitlin Hopkins, in San Marcos, Texas."

 

Among her many roles, Knight starred opposite Al Freeman Jr. (OLTL's Ed Hall) in the 1966 British film "The Dutchman."

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/shirley-knight-dead-sweet-bird-youth-dark-at-top-stairs-dutchman-actress-was-83-1133636?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

So sad to hear this. Knight had a small role on OLTL in 1986 - there's a clip in the temp recast thread. She was a wonderful actress. I remember her best from the McMartin Trial movie on HBO.

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Regarding The Maggie recasts in 1995:

 

I know Robyn Griggs was photographed with John Wayne Bobbit so AW fired her

 

Jodi Lyn O'Keefe was only 16/17 at the time so maybe age got her fired. She began Nash Bridges soon After

 

Lisa Brenner was there a year & was written off due to story right?

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3 hours ago, Neil Johnson said:

Tom King seemed to have learned a thing or two from Lemay, and he was pretty good at writing for Rachel, Mac, Ada, and Iris.  But he didn't seem to understand Pat, Liz, or any of the remaining Matthews family, or the Perrini family, or just about any of Lemay's other characters (Blaine, Elena, Willis, Sylvie, etc.).  Plus, King was terrible at creating new characters.  Nearly all of his new characters were terrible failures and really harmed the show,  Additionally King hurt the show by introducing such a strong element of crime, police drama, and the mob.  For a couple of years, it seemed like half the cast was involved in plots that belonged on Edge of Night. King's only real successes were with Mac, Rachel, Ada, and Iris.  

Yep

 

AW was definitely in copy GH mode at that time, but the whole mob thing always felt so out of place on this show. And you’re right about King’s     new characters. I did like Jerry and Margo, and the Bellmans but the Halloway family lent absolutely nothing to the show. Miranda was an Iris substitute, Kit was just boring and those random Brad and Craig guys, pining after Kit, were annoying. IMO, they never should have killed off Eileen or written out Angie and Rose either.

1 hour ago, John said:

Regarding The Maggie recasts in 1995:

 

I know Robyn Griggs was photographed with John Wayne Bobbit so AW fired her

 

Jodi Lyn O'Keefe was only 16/17 at the time so maybe age got her fired. She began Nash Bridges soon After

 

Lisa Brenner was there a year & was written off due to story right?

Yeah.

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4 hours ago, Neil Johnson said:

Tom King seemed to have learned a thing or two from Lemay, and he was pretty good at writing for Rachel, Mac, Ada, and Iris.  But he didn't seem to understand Pat, Liz, or any of the remaining Matthews family, or the Perrini family, or just about any of Lemay's other characters (Blaine, Elena, Willis, Sylvie, etc.).  Plus, King was terrible at creating new characters.  Nearly all of his new characters were terrible failures and really harmed the show,  Additionally King hurt the show by introducing such a strong element of crime, police drama, and the mob.  For a couple of years, it seemed like half the cast was involved in plots that belonged on Edge of Night. King's only real successes were with Mac, Rachel, Ada, and Iris.  

 

And shortly after the P&G executive producer shuffle in 1995- once JFP arrived- AW rehired King.as co-headwriter for the show.  From August 95- May 96, King co-wrote the show with Craig Carlson.  In May 96 to January 97, King and Carlson served as breakdown writers for Margaret DePriest.  From January 97-March 97, King, Carlson, and Elizabeth Page served as headwriters. For March and April 97, King and Carlson were co-headwriters again until Michael Malone became the headwriter. King would remain a writer on the show until its cancellation.  

 

For a period during this time, even Harding Lemay returned to the show as a story consultant.  I wonder if JFP even asked his opinion of the ER/NYPD Blue mashup that she made of AW.

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Lemay was fond of JFP and she even hired him to consult at OLTL when she had become de facto head writer there before Megan McTavish was hired...

 

Not sure she listened to any of his ideas though, but he did like her...

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