The Politics Thread

[Khan]

41 minutes ago, marceline said:

I've never for one second thought he would ever be removed.

 

Me neither.  But, like you, @marceline, and like @Vee, I'm satisfied with his and his family living with the "stain of impeachment" for the rest of their lives.

[Wendy]

17 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Me neither.  But, like you, @marceline, and like @Vee, I'm satisfied with his and his family living with the "stain of impeachment" for the rest of their lives.

 

It's all about the small victories here.

[Khan]

4 minutes ago, Wendy said:

It's all about the small victories here.

 

Exactly.  With this administration, in this current political climate, we take what we can get.

[ReddFoxx]

Even without a conviction possible it really was impossible for House Democrats to not move forward with impeachment because Trump clearly violated the law and it would have been a dereliction of duty to overlook that. Politically they would have received backlash for not holding Trump accountable and the last thing needed is to give voters a reason to stay home.

[Khan]

3 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

Even without a conviction possible it really was impossible for House Democrats to not move forward with impeachment because Trump clearly violated the law and it would have been a dereliction of duty to overlook that. Politically they would have received backlash for not holding Trump accountable and the last thing needed is to give voters a reason to stay home.

 

ICAM.

[DRW50]

The general election in the UK is only a few days away. By most polling, Boris Johnson is favored to get a majority, or very close. It's been dispiriting to see that much of the UK media seems to be as in the tank for him as the press is for the GOP here. 

 

The latest moment happened yesterday, when a story about Johnson not wanting to see a photo of a child who had to sleep on the floor of the NHS was almost immediately brushed aside by coverage of claims that Labour activists punched a Tory adviser. 

This all turned out to be BS, but the damage was done. 

 

 

[JaneAusten]

9 hours ago, DRW50 said:

The general election in the UK is only a few days away. By most polling, Boris Johnson is favored to get a majority, or very close. It's been dispiriting to see that much of the UK media seems to be as in the tank for him as the press is for the GOP here. 

 

The latest moment happened yesterday, when a story about Johnson not wanting to see a photo of a child who had to sleep on the floor of the NHS was almost immediately brushed aside by coverage of claims that Labour activists punched a Tory adviser. 

This all turned out to be BS, but the damage was done. 

 

 

Polling in the UK is notoriously bad.  But I actually think the media in the UK is worse than here in the US if that is possible.  My question is how many people believe that Johnson is willing to sell off healthcare to the US as that information leaked confirmed? We'll see. My guess is the liberal democrats(aren't those the MP's that left Labour and the Tories gravitated to?)  . That's just a guess on my part.

[DRW50]

As the election nears, Trump has become more and more blatant about only caring about Israel, not Jewish Americans. He hurled abuse at a group of Jews he recently spoke with, and he is now designating a rule that has blatant fascist intent.

 

The media who have spent years telling everyone that Democrats are anti-Semitic and American Jews will somehow wake up and vote the "right" way must be trying to figure out what their new talking points will have to be.

 

 

[Fevuh]

2 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

As the election nears, Trump has become more and more blatant about only caring about Israel, not Jewish Americans. He hurled abuse at a group of Jews he recently spoke with, and he is now designating a rule that has blatant fascist intent.

 

The media who have spent years telling everyone that Democrats are anti-Semitic and American Jews will somehow wake up and vote the "right" way must be trying to figure out what their new talking points will have to be.

 

 

I do not understand the ignorance of this man.  Is he aware his daughter converted to Judaism?  Does that order make her born in Israel even though she wasn't?  Does it make her no longer white bread?  So she's no longer American?

[Khan]

2 hours ago, Fevuh said:

Is he aware his daughter converted to Judaism?  Does that order make her born in Israel even though she wasn't?  Does it make her no longer white bread?  So she's no longer American?

 

If she isn't, could we deport her (and her husband)?  Pretty please?

 

But seriously.  This is outrageous, horrible and totally expected from such a monster as our president.  If you're not outraged, you should be.

[Juliajms]

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

As the election nears, Trump has become more and more blatant about only caring about Israel, not Jewish Americans. He hurled abuse at a group of Jews he recently spoke with, and he is now designating a rule that has blatant fascist intent.

 

The media who have spent years telling everyone that Democrats are anti-Semitic and American Jews will somehow wake up and vote the "right" way must be trying to figure out what their new talking points will have to be.

 

 

Some Democrats are,  just as the left in Britain is rotted through with anti-semitism.  This is a problem that is not specific to one party or political ideology. It's truly bizarre to watch these groups play your lot is more anti-semitic than your lot. There is plenty to go around. It's a hate that has run through the millennia and thanks to Trump it has been normalized again.

 

It's not the least bit surprising to me that it has had a resurgence in places like Germany and Eastern Europe. You don't go from a Holocaust to everything is right as rain in a lifetime.  I admit I wouldn't have thought it were possible for the temperature to rise so quickly in The States. That video yesterday of bystanders in Jersey City blaming the Jewish victims for their own shooting and saying it was good that four of them had died...damn.

[DramatistDreamer]

4 hours ago, Fevuh said:

I do not understand the ignorance of this man.  Is he aware his daughter converted to Judaism?  Does that order make her born in Israel even though she wasn't?  Does it make her no longer white bread?  So she's no longer American?

 

He likely saw his daughter's marriage as some sort of strategic financial decision to merge his family with another wealthy real estate family.  

 

DJT's father made the decision to move the family out of their Queens church to a church in Manhattan where the wealthier and well-connected chose to worship. Religion and worship as a form of currency to be transacted. Like father, like son.

[Juliajms]

I think Yair makes some good points here. It's just weird to me that a nation we have accepted the travel ban and what is happening on our border. Not that everyone has by any means, but sometimes I feel like the nation as a whole is sleep walking into destruction. Maybe it's more that people are overwhelmed. I don't know.

 

[DRW50]

1 hour ago, Juliajms said:

Some Democrats are,  just as the left in Britain is rotted through with anti-semitism. 

 

Some are, yes, but a running theme in media coverage for ages has been the idea that there must be some kind of moment where Jewish voters go to the GOP because Democrats are anti-Semites/not loyal enough to Israel/what have you. It's another variation of all the years the media spent tsk-tsking black voters and asking when they will learn to vote Republican.

[DramatistDreamer]

Mexican national who assumed American's identity to vote in 5 federal elections gets nearly 4 years in prison https://t.co/HMPWS6i5xL

— KTLA (@KTLA) December 10, 2019

 

Thank you Letitia James et al, SDNY

 

President Trump pays $2M court-ordered judgment for misusing his charity, New York Attorney General says https://t.co/QYoFDkdlFx

— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 10, 2019