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It sounds like there is genuine anti-Semitism and bullying from the extreme left that has a lot of power in Labour now, so I can see why MPs are now leaving, but some of the MPs who are leaving also sound like they are deluded and desperate for attention and some vague glimpse of power.

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5 hours ago, DRW50 said:

So sorry for everything you're going through, @Khan.

 

As Bob Dylan says, "It ain't me, babe," it's my mom, lol.  Thanks for the concern, though.  I appreciate it.  :)

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14 hours ago, DaysFanatic777 said:

Raised in an Evangelical home, I know what their problem is......

 

They don't care about children in cages. 

 

It doesn't bother them if a person dies from inadequate healthcare. 

 

They are not concerned with a single mother making minimum wage, while her family starves as a result. 

 

Their only obsessions are their own bank accounts, and the gender an individual chooses to screw.  It's all about money and control; those sick pieces of garbage!!! 

 

... and once THEIR bank accounts are hit, some may finally see the light.

 

At least, that's what's happened with my father. My dad flip-flops, mostly due to economic or financial reasons. He voted for Clinton in '92 and Obama in '08, but voted for Mitt Romney in '12 and would've voted for Trump in '16 if he had voted at all (at least that's what he told me; he may very well have voted). 

 

We've had a few heated arguments since that fateful day in late October 2016 when that bogus "email scandal" conveniently came back to light. He's on the Fox News bandwagon and anti-anything where there's a woman in charge (Hillary first, now he suddenly has issues with Nancy Pelosi having a fence around her own house...). 

 

However, just this past week as I visited my parents, he was on the phone telling off a conservative party representative pandering for more money, telling the poor fool on the phone that he no longer supports the conservative party because --- yup --- he now OWES 8K in taxes this year, something he's never faced in years and years. So all the other horrible, despicable, inhumane acts of the Republican party didn't raise a red flag for him until it affected his own pocketbook. 

 

P.S. I too was raised in a very strong Lutheran household... 

 

Edited by Gray Bunny

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1 hour ago, Gray Bunny said:

 

... and once THEIR bank accounts are hit, some may finally see the light.

 

At least, that's what's happened with my father. My dad flip-flops, mostly due to economic or financial reasons. He voted for Clinton in '92 and Obama in '08, but voted for Mitt Romney in '12 and would've voted for Trump in '16 if he had voted at all (at least that's what he told me; he may very well have voted). 

 

We've had a few heated arguments since that fateful day in late October 2016 when that bogus "email scandal" conveniently came back to light. He's on the Fox News bandwagon and anti-anything where there's a woman in charge (Hillary first, now he suddenly has issues with Nancy Pelosi having a fence around her own house...). 

 

However, just this past week as I visited my parents, he was on the phone telling off a conservative party representative pandering for more money, telling the poor fool on the phone that he no longer supports the conservative party because --- yup --- he now OWES 8K in taxes this year, something he's never faced in years and years. So all the other horrible, despicable, inhumane acts of the Republican party didn't raise a red flag for him until it affected his own pocketbook. 

 

P.S. I too was raised in a very strong Lutheran household... 

 

My household was Assembly of God (Charismatic).  Most of those mother fuckers need shock therapy and a potent Thorazine drip. 

 

My parents actually voted for Clinton both times, but I think that goes back to the fact that he was a southerner.  People are very strange in this part of the nation.  The good ole boy mentality isn't as prevalent in my generation (GenX) and younger, but with Baby Boomers it's still very much a reality. 

 

We saw what eventually happened with George W Bush. I loathed that man.  Many liberals today have looked back and felt that he wasn't all that bad.  They get all kinds of feels when Michelle Obama passes him a cough drop. GMAFB!   Saying he's better than Trump is not saying much at all.  The fact that we have to compare them proves that Bush was an incompetent fool too.  His illegal war damaged some of my best friends for life.  Anyone that now wants to claim that W is a decent man, and revisit the 2000's with rose colored glasses, can take all the seats.  That man does not get merit for ruining the Middle East and sinking our economy.  You don't give a dog a bone for pissing on the carpet.  You just don't.

 

That debacle woke my generation up, and it pushed the nation more to the left.  Trump is going to eventually screw up so royally, that the less extreme part of his base will desert him.  He will always have the white nationalist.  They would support him if he chose to tare down the Statue of Liberty and build a damn casino.  They will always align themselves with him.  However, those that are not as extreme will fall out with the man.  It's more a matter of when, and how it will occur. 

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Most of us already knew that this happened in NC but it's that "substantially resourced" part that grabbed my attention.

 

21 minutes ago, Wendy said:

 

Hey, farmers! MAGA! Vote Republican! Amirite?!

 

Also wondering when agribusiness and vulture capitalists will swoop in for land grabs.

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Yet more Buyer Beware:

 

 

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Mama Khan -- again, a Trump supporter/Obama and Hillary basher -- filed her taxes several weeks ago.  She doesn't owe anything this year -- which is good, since she's still paying her tax bill from last year.  However, even with the increased standard deduction, she got bupkis from the federal, and only $80 from the state.

 

 

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3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

The breakaway Labour group is already tripping over their own feet. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/18/angela-smith-apologises-for-funny-tinge-remark

 

Can we not claim that we know what is going on in the U.K. when Labour does seem to have anti-semites among their ranks, and the US Democrats now seem to have the same? 

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12 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I had wondered when this was coming.

 

Elections have consequences and any Trump voter that gets their land seized gets exactly what they voted for. It's unlikely they would prevail in a court challenge because of a conservative majority on the court. If they actually get their land seized they are pretty much out of luck.

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