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16 minutes ago, marceline said:

Right here is the difference between real and fake allies. Maher managed to not get fired so he doubles down on his privilege and white progressive butthurt by bringing back Milo. I assume so they can commiserate on how the coloreds are the real fascists.

 

 

 

I had started to tune him out more often due to his stance on Muslims.  But after this latest incident, he's off my watch list altogether and I think you've hit in the nail in the head here.  This IS a perfect example of white privilege (as if we were in need of another, but some still refuse to admit it exists).  If this were a POC they wouldn't have been given another chance. 

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1 hour ago, GMac said:

Oh, and then he rolled out the excuse that the business will automate before giving the bums a living wage.  Again, he had no response to the fact that they're doing that now.

 

No offense to you OR your brother, but I'd love to see his reaction the day his bosses inform him that he's being replaced by robots.

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1 hour ago, marceline said:

Right here is the difference between real and fake allies. Maher managed to not get fired so he doubles down on his privilege and white progressive butthurt by bringing back Milo.

 

His reasoning: if we DON'T give people like Borat Milo a platform, then free speech is in danger, and so, too, is America.

 

And I'd agree with him...if we didn't live in a society where filth like that has no trouble at all getting across his message, corrosive as it is, to like-minded souls.

 

C'mon, Mr. Maher, call it what it is: a ratings grab.  You want to bring back Milo because you KNOW that brings ratings to your show and keeps your obnoxious behind in the spotlight; and in a way, that's about as putrid as the bilge water Milo spews on a regular basis.

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1 hour ago, GMac said:

Whatever happened to that bible saying that goes something like it's easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than get into heaven?!?!  I guess he doesn't subscribe to that one like he does the gays and the poor people.  You know, the disgustingtons.

 

 

They've stuffed all that Christian doctrine in order to go for the Cash Grab! 

 

When I heard that Jim Bakker had climbed out of his dark hole to say something supportive of Trump, I knew that Mango Mussolini had brought all the greedy sleazeballs out from under their rocks.

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

No offense to you OR your brother, but I'd love to see his reaction the day his bosses inform him that he's being replaced by robots.

 

 

No offense taken :-)  

 

7 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

They've stuffed all that Christian doctrine in order to go for the Cash Grab! 

 

When I heard that Jim Bakker had climbed out of his dark hole to say something supportive of Trump, I knew that Mango Mussolini had brought all the greedy sleazeballs out from under their rocks.

 

 

I had forgotten about Bakker.  Thanks for reminding me (I think LOL) - it gives me another reason to despise the Persimmon Overlord (

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5 minutes ago, sivad40 said:

Coats and Rogers are stonewalling, and "I'm not going to answer that" is how Trump is going to survive the next four years.

 

I doubt that. This is the difference between open and closed hearings. A lot of things are just not going to be discussed on open hearings because they are classified or bump up against national security. When you hear "I'm not going to answer that" you should mentally add "...in an open hearing."

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1 hour ago, GMac said:

 

No offense taken :-)  

 

 

I had forgotten about Bakker.  Thanks for reminding me (I think LOL) - it gives me another reason to despise the Persimmon Overlord (

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Bakker is completely nuts now. his son even says he only talks to him once or twice a year. 

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Democrats should be talking about Kansas nonstop as an example of failed economic policy and they should be doing it in the simplest possible terms. "Republicans always screw up the economy. Just look at Kansas." "Tax cuts don't work. Just look at Kansas." "They tried that in Kansas and look what happened."  When it comes to talking about economic policy, we should talk about Kansas the way the right wing likes to talk about Chicago and Detroit. Especially now when the Repubs are trying to tout their "tax reform."

 

 

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19 minutes ago, marceline said:

Democrats should be talking about Kansas nonstop as an example of failed economic policy and they should be doing it in the simplest possible terms. "Republicans always screw up the economy. Just look at Kansas." "Tax cuts don't work. Just look at Kansas." "They tried that in Kansas and look what happened."  When it comes to talking about economic policy, we should talk about Kansas the way the right wing likes to talk about Chicago and Detroit. Especially now when the Repubs are trying to tout their "tax reform."

 

 

You know I have been trying to be positive in terms of the democrats nationally. Locally people are energized and local races have been successful here. Statewide it's likely Illinois is going to go back all blue next year, but I am extremely disappointed in the route the national party has taken. Or not taken. Maybe I am expecting too much, but why are they wasting time on "Unity Tours" and not working on messaging. Ossoff's debate performance by the way was fantastic. Whether it matters or not who knows. But the Kansas experiment, how the state elected real moderate GOPers to overturn the Brownbeck agenda, should be hammered time and time again. And I feel the national party is too busy trying to unite people who don't care about this crap versus working on their messaging.

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IMO the unity tour was an experiment to see if there was a way to heal the rift. It was an abysmal failure but necessary. I think the lines are pretty clear now between Bernie and the Democrats. Ever since then with the exception of a minimum wage bill, Bernie's pretty much been left to his own devices.

 

I think messaging has gotten way better. The strategy seems to be for everyone to talk about certain issues like health care or climate change but to tailor it to their constituencies. For example all the Dems are talking about climate change but in different ways. Some reps talk about their states agreeing to abide by the accords. In Ohio, MI, Pennsylvania, etc the focus is on the Great Lakes (Trump's budget cut Great Lakes funding by 97 percent.) and the economic benefit of green energy (which is why Donnie taking a shot at Pittsburgh was perfect). Out west like the talking point seems to be about protecting public lands.

 

Same for health care. Discussion of health care is about single payer in some states. In Appalachian states Dems always bring the health care issue back to opiates and prescription drugs. Even the Republicans have been forced to talk about health care in those terms. In states that didn't expand Medicaid the focus is on that program and possible cuts.

 

While all this is going on you have a small handful of Dems (Waters/Cummings/Franken/Schiff) who keep mentioning Russia and others in safe blue states  who have found their niche trolling Donnie on Twitter like Ted Lieu and Bill de Blasio.

 

Democrats will never have a message as simplistic as Republicans because we're a coalition but I think the party has made real strides.

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