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5 hours ago, Connelly said:

Also I don't understand when people say that Cruz and Eden was not an original plan when from the first Marcy Walker episode you can see they shared a romance in the past.

I got that from an interview with A Martinez on the French site. He said it.

I just rewatched Augusta's fan dance. How did Louise Sorel turn on that radio with her foot? Good golly! She made that look way too easy.

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10 hours ago, dc11786 said:

I think the Joe / Augusta fling was suppose to be part of a bigger story.  

Something that stood out to me watching the 1984 episodes last year was a scene between John and Marissa Perkins. It was very well written, but, unfortunately, the acting did not match the writing. In the Perkins dining room, Marissa is going on and on about Joe and her concerns that Kelly Capwell was going to ruin him. During this rant, John Perkins tried to convince Marissa to go to bed with him, but Marissa rebuffed her husband's advances. John Perkins went to talk about his needs and how Marissa wasn't fulfilling them. I definitely read the scenes as Marissa's near Oedipal relationship with Joe was driving her husband away from her and that this set up several story threads: (1) John eventually cheating on Marissa and (2) Marissa's role as a spoiler in the Joe and Kelly romance. 

The decision to kill of Joe Perkins wasn't in the original plans so there had to be a much larger story in place for Kelly and Joe that would have kept them front and center. I would speculate that the original long term plan had John Perkins having an affair with Augusta Lockridge. John and Augusta's affair would have given Marissa enough ammunition to finally kick John to the curb and file for divorce. A now alone Marissa would have been more dependent on Joe for both help around the house, but also for love and affection. I can see Marissa convincing Joe to stay for dinner, and accidentally standing up Kelly. Kelly and Joe's relationship would have started to crumble under the pressure of Marissa's neediness. After Kelly's prodding, Joe would have gone to see Augusta to convince her to end the affair with his father (John would have been more committed than Augusta) only for John to learn that Joe had also slept with Augusta. In the meantime, Lionel would make jokes about Augusta having bed both the father and the son and make crude jokes about only Augusta knowing who was the better lover in a way only the Dobsons would. 

The final clincher though would be when Kelly and (Marissa) would have learned that Joe and Augusta had slept together. Kelly would be upset that Joe had slept with Augusta when he supposedly loved her and they would end their relationship (temporarily). I imagine Peter wouldn't have gone off the deep end and that Peter and Kelly's relationship would simply have collapsed when she learned that Peter had also been sleeping with Augusta. Again, Kelly would have shared a man to Augusta. Of course, Kelly and Augusta would have a scene where Augusta would get the upper hand over her much younger rival (and the daughter of her former rival). This would have also allowed Kelly to reunite with non-serial killer Peter until she and Joe were again thrown together.  

I think the more compelling scene would have been the confrontation between Augusta and Marissa where Augusta would question whether or not Marissa was more upset that Augusta bedded Marissa's husband or whether Augusta was jealous because she (Augusta) had done the one thing Marissa could never do: sleep with Joe? 

To top it all off, once the whole Joe/John conflict settled, Jade would have managed to find her way into Warren Lockridge's bed in order to keep the Perkins and the Lockridges interacting and playing off all the complicated family dynamics that had been built up over the course of the storyline. This also would have played nicely with the Brick and Amy story. 

There are several other reasons I think this is a possibility. One, Augusta ended up having an affair in year two with the mattress guy, a very working class man from what I recall. It would stand to reason that might have originally intended to be with John. Also, I don't recall Kelly ever learning about Augusta and Joe's affair when it originally happened. Maybe she did, but I feel like that reveal was kept in the writers' back pocket so they could drop that bomb at the appropriate time. 

Ultimately, most of the Perkins were miscast. There is no way I could see Robert Alan Browne convincing Louise Sorel to go bed. Also, Valorie Armstrong was a calm, quiet presence, but the writing suggested a much more emotionally manipulative mother who's interest in her son's love life bordered on obsessive. Similarly, Jade, who initially was a vixen, was miscast with Melissa Brennan (Reeves) who was too sweet to play a seductive social climber that Jade was originally positioned to be. I think the Dobsons just cut their losses and went in a different direction. 

This just remains speculation though. 

I love all of this speculation. I agree about the miscast Perkins. They look related, but none of them were outstanding in these roles. (Not necessarily bad actors considering Melissa Brennan went on to be Jenn Horton Devereaux). They could have been a powerhouse family, but the acting always felt off to me. Even without an Augusta/Dad Perkins affair, there still could have been more for this family. Maybe some normal problems vs the OTT problems with the Capwells. A younger cousin delinquent come to stay to interact with Ted, or Christie, another female for Warren. Anything more interesting than what they actually were.

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I am watching Ted's rape trial for the first time. Good grief Ted is annoying me! All adults say stay away from Christie, so he goes straight to Christie. His attorney says stay away, nope. So instead, he decks Cruz. Oops sorry Cruz. Yeah that's going to help. And where is Sophia? 

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3 hours ago, Marissa Gallant said:

I am watching Ted's rape trial for the first time. Good grief Ted is annoying me! All adults say stay away from Christie, so he goes straight to Christie. His attorney says stay away, nope. So instead, he decks Cruz. Oops sorry Cruz. Yeah that's going to help. And where is Sophia? 

Ironically, this was the story that introduced Mason to his first true love, Mary Duvall. I think this was the story that turned everything around for SB after a very shaky first year on the air. But yeah, Ted and Christie themselves were not very compelling.

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Even Jade the bubble head told Ted to leave her alone! Then he goes to jail and writes to her! Idjit! Boy has serious stalker potential. I feel bad for Christie. She knows what she's doing is wrong, but she is thinking jail is better than dead. Theda is gawdawful. Mary is so sanctimonious, but blind to reality. Mason calling her on it is awesome. It is gripping, but Ted has serious issues. Also, when Ted moves out and CC tells Sophia she always coddled him too much. Til he was 2? She coddled a one year old? CC You are another sanctimonious fart. As you so readily pointed out numerous times, you raised him.

And while I'm on a roll, CC has an aneurysm and his doc says he can't try for another baby with Gina. He's all upset that he can't have sex with his wife, but he was smooching on wife number 2 yesterday and telling her that she's the love of his life. 

These people ALL need therapy, but all of the therapists in town seem to be evil. 

And I LOVE IT ALL!

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In one of Christie's last episodes before she left, she and Mary have a sister heart to heart.  Mary confesses her feelings for Mason, that she sees good in him and believes in true love while Christie clues Mary in on real life.  Mary even asks if Christie believes in happiness and love while Christie basically says no.  It was a good character study of both of them...and it's a shame that Christie was written out.  She had a lot of potential and would have been interesting to see how she dealt with life post the rape trial.

I think the Duvall's should have remained as a counterpart to the Capwells..since the Perkins were phased out by this point. 

And Ted seemed to never have his peers stay on.  Jade/laken/danny were gone by 1986...and then Hayley/Jake with Laken briefly in 1986 to January 1988...and then Eva larue's character before he left in 1989.

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I never have been able to figure out why Christie was such a short-term character. Maybe Mary herself would have lasted longer if her sister and mother were kept around. Still, SB was never good at keeping families not named Capwell around for the long haul.

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10 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

In one of Christie's last episodes before she left, she and Mary have a sister heart to heart.  Mary confesses her feelings for Mason, that she sees good in him and believes in true love while Christie clues Mary in on real life.  Mary even asks if Christie believes in happiness and love while Christie basically says no.  It was a good character study of both of them...and it's a shame that Christie was written out.  She had a lot of potential and would have been interesting to see how she dealt with life post the rape trial.

Well, one of them got killed by a giant C and the other one just moved on, so maybe Christie's outlook is safer. Trust no one. And definitely don't trust giant C's. 

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16 hours ago, Marissa Gallant said:

It is gripping, but Ted has serious issues.

I vaguely remember a scene where Mason was analyzing the family and referred to Ted as the “runt of the litter”. LOL - truer words were never spoken. I think it was in front of Ted too. Ted was actually well-written and cast - this soft, eager beaver type who seemed desperate to be liked.

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I'm still at Ted's trial. The DA just collapsed. 

Augusta just confronted Sophia about Channing. Louise Sorel is SUCH a powerhouse. TPTB truly were idiots to let her get away! She just told Julia about Channing and said she wants to kill Lionel. Julia said not to do anything drastic. And she quips I didn't think that was drastic, I thought it was the next logical step. And it hit me again how needed they are in this show. BUT it has to be the right writers. They HAVE to break your heart AND rip it out equally or it fails.

It also hit me that the irony of Santa Barbara is that the true fans don't necessarily consider the Golden Era to be the Best Show winning years.

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On 7/14/2021 at 2:53 PM, spike99 said:

I like Julie Ronnie. Her version of Laken is naive, ingenue...Not fond of at all of the recast. We switched between miss goody two shoes and vamp. Susan marie snyder's version remind me early days of Jane Wilson.

Julie Ronnie was the prime Laken. She deserved more.

On 7/14/2021 at 11:40 PM, dc11786 said:

The decision to kill of Joe Perkins wasn't in the original plans so there had to be a much larger story in place for Kelly and Joe that would have kept them front and center.

Switching the actors of Joe Perkins tanked the role, and since I doubt Robin Wright wanted to play opposite someone who wasn't Dane Witherspoon speaks volumes as to why Joe was killed off.

On 7/15/2021 at 1:13 AM, Soaplovers said:

I did watch some episodes with Susan Marie Snyder as Laken..and she wasn't bad.  The writing was the issue there...she could play vulnerable and rebellious...but it seemed like each episode had a different Laken in it.  No consistency..imho.

I believe, per her own words, Susan Marie Snyder wanted to do more with Laken, but the writing was not there to allow it.

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3 hours ago, Marissa Gallant said:

It also hit me that the irony of Santa Barbara is that the true fans don't necessarily consider the Golden Era to be the Best Show winning years.

Speaking for myself, I consider SB's Golden Era to be from 1985-1990. That covers all the years they won Best Daytime Series, but I digress.

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12 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

Speaking for myself, I consider SB's Golden Era to be from 1985-1990. That covers all the years they won Best Daytime Series, but I digress.

I apologize. You are correct. Many people consider that the Golden Age. Others end it in 88, or skip 88. And I did not intend to imply that you are not a true fan.

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