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  1. 12 hours ago, Faulkner said:

    And didn’t Marland bring Lisa Brown from GL to ATWT as well?

    Helen Gallagher (Maeve, RH) turned up during Claire Labine’s OLTL HW stint as Dr. Maud Boylan.

    I also remember seeing an influx of old WTHI actors show up at RH, as well, though this happened a fair bit less when the Labines moved to GH, instead there was an influx of DAYS actors in the 90s, as Shelley Curtis had moved there, and brought Mary Beth Evans, Wally Kurth, Stephen Nichols, and Matt Ashford (I'm certain I'm forgetting a few) during the early-to-mid 90s, whereas I think Ron Hale was the only RH actor who moved to GH during the Labine era.

  2. 44 minutes ago, Joseph said:

    you just enjoy to be mean don't you? you're always being picky to all i post here, really?? wonderful marvelous icredible I GIVE UP

    Ultimately, your numerous duplicate topics will likely end up being merged with existing topics. We've been trying to suggest this to you for awhile, in hopes that you could acclimate with how things are generally done here.

     

    I love the enthusiasm and passion you have for the genre, but I do think you need to slow your roll and see what topics your posts COULD fit into instead of constantly starting new threads with info that's already posted elsewhere. Its why you don't see folks like me posting very often. I love a good discussion but my voice doesn't always need to be heard, particularly when I don't have anything new to add to the proceedings. 

     

    But I can only speak for myself. I encourage you to take what Slick is saying as more advice to help you fit in a little better, rather than him attacking you. He may be blunt, but that's the intent. 🤷🏽‍♂️

  3. 5 minutes ago, danfling said:

    Maybe one reason for the poor ratings of For Richer/For Pooer, It inherited a time slot from Somerset and then Lovers and Friends.   Perhaps the competition of The Edge of Night on ABC was too much to make the show have the desired ratings that it needed to succeed.

    From what I've seen, L&F/FRFP was airing at 1pm as the lead-in to the NBC soap block, whereas Somerset had indeed aired at 4. It's only direct competition was AMC (which was a lot in an of itself). But certainly not with the same levels of clearance issues 4pm tended to have.

  4. 28 minutes ago, carolineg said:

    I will go on record saying AP as Austin is fine.  He has improved acting wise and still looks good.  I will agree he is an albatross around Carrie's neck though.   

    Carrie could have been in so many other pairings but we just trot out Austin every time.

    Muldoon just looks so old compared to Christie

    Personally, I've been advocating for PM to come back as Austin, have Carrie and Rafe get together working on a case, while Austin rediscovers his love of music doodling on the piano, and Eve overhears him and they connect over this. Austin helps Eve with recovering her voice, and they eventually end up having their own affair. It'd help release Carrie from Austin, and gives Rafe a potential pairing that won't bore/annoy everyone.

    Granted, this was my idea from about 4-5 years ago. I think it's way too late for either pairing to work now, but...I digress.

    Looping back round to BS: Looks like I'll be having to play catchup in October with this, since literally no one has SlackTV so idk how I'll be able to watch this before it goes on Global's app.

  5. 4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

    I thTW, Deidre did an interview today and was briefly talking about Manhattan Lives (which we all had a huge discussion about) and said it was all about Marlena needing to get away and moving to a "small town" and that it was a great bible lol.  Manhattan Lives implies it's New York and not a small town, but okay Dee. 

    Ah yes, a small town of 8+ Million. You know 😆

  6. 24 minutes ago, Titus Andronicus said:

    I think you can go earlier than that: David. He wasn't Doug's child, but having him as an adult by the late 1970s aged Julie horribly before you even got to Hope being grown up.

    I think the same could be said for Laura and Mickey with Mike. Granted, it didn't help that John Clarke was aging like milk at the time. I have no idea how he looked older in 1973 than he did in 1993, but...regardless. Aging up Mike in '74 certainly shoved them into the middle-aged category in a hurry. But, for obvious reasons, the change was more jarring for Julie, especially since she went from high school to middle age within a decade.

  7. 8 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

    Actually back in 1996, people kind of cheered on Mari Jo for torturing the Bug.  Some even said she found an effective way of shutting the bug up.(drugging her).

    I do.wonder how different the show would have been hav Mari Jo not been the shooter. Jack / Mari Jo were a good match...the few pairings of his that worked.

    Personally, since Stafford ended up quitting in 1997 anyway, maybe have Phyllis be the shooter.  She meant to shoot Christine and got Victor by mistake.  Phyllis would have kidnapped Chris and tortured her..would be in total character.

    I think 1996 was when Bell's health started to decline..imho

    I would have 100% been okay with that, tbh. Phyllis always kind of annoyed me, even under Bell, so to be rid of her in favour of Mari Jo, who absolutely fascinated me, and could have absolutely been a long-term, calculated schemer, would have worked for me, 100%. Having her go off the rails was a letdown, and, yeah, was a sign Bell's health was in decline.

  8. What would ANYONE have to gain by standing up against someone like this if it weren't true? Any chance at an acting career for this woman is put at EXTREME risk for even speaking out in the first place, let alone filing suit. The idea people would make these things up for a quick cash grab when they'd have to go through such legal and emotional upheaval beggars belief. 

  9. I have to wonder what happened at GH in March '82, because they'd been consistently netting 11.0+ for months at that point, and suddenly, in the span of that one month, the show dropped into the 9.0s, and stayed there more of less for the rest of the year. I suspect it's likely down to Genie Francis' departure, but if anyone else has more insight...

  10. 4 hours ago, jam6242 said:

    You're right about PFS's story ideas being used.  Found this blurb in The Chicago Tribune.

     

    PFS.jpg

    I'm just baffled though, because, based on what I've read and seen, Ann Marcus more or less dropped every story PFS started upon her arrival, or at least wrapped it up quickly with sharp right turns. If that was part of PFS's contract, then it explains why Ann Marcus did make such a quick and rather abrupt turn in most stories. Honestly, I can't think of a single story PFS was setting up that wasn't drastically shifted under Ann Marcus, except maybe Brooke's storyline, but even then, she was pretty hastily killed off a few months in.

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    18 minutes ago, j swift said:

    Wasn't Lisanne's odd death and the quick exit of the Carly and Lawrence attributed to change in writers during this period?  Lynn Haring was a "get" at the time, and there was a lot of soap press written about her working with her husband.  I don't recall her having a short term contract that would necessitate a quick death by a statue of a cat on a fireplace mantel, so I vaguely recall it being caused by a change in the writing staff.

    Not really. Lisanne was introduced in April 1992 (or thereabouts) as the Lombard's lawyer for their malpractice suit after their eldest son (their supposed ticket out of poverty) was killed while waiting tables at Julie's party at Wings that Rafi Torres blew up. This was when Richard J. Allen returned in early 92, this time with Beth Milstein, after Gene Palumbo exited in January. From there, she began working for the Alamains, and screwing Lawrence all over the house, and trading barbs with Vivian and Carly once Sheri took over in June. Then Lisanne found out Viv kept Carly's son for herself, and began blackmailing Viv. She was gone by the end of October, and back at GH the next week. That was all under Sheri Anderson (with a one-month period in July where Gene Palumbo came back as co-HW for some reason), as JER didn't join Sheri until December.

    30 minutes ago, carolineg said:

    Hmm..interesting idea about Roger/Marlena/Roman.  I always heard the John/Marlena/Roman affair was planned with or without Isabella.  It would make sense to maybe have Roger go with Marlena to the spin off if it got picked up.  I didn't think her and Roger had much chemistry, but there were times Marlena seemed really into him.  Not exactly leading him on, but also very, very interested in his treatment and success.  Like moreso than normal dr/patient. 

    I did think Kim's DID stuff was good, but I did not enjoy Phillip. 

    I believe LH wanted out.  Or it was mutual.  She was a get at the time, but was oddly utilized.  She never even really had scenes with Roman anyway.   It could have been a change in writing as well, but I don't think LH was very torn up about it.  She was back at GH pretty soon after.

    I DEFINITELY got that impression, and actually, I felt they had a bit of chemistry, tbh. Nothing like what she had with Drake, but there was a spark of something there. Id've liked to see how that developed. Especially with Marlena being SO supportive of Roger's art.

    Kim's DID, as much as it had its LOL-worthy moments, was an interesting story, but I do feel like Philip was tacked on because TPTB knew Charles Shaughnessy was on his way out and needed someone to pair with Kim. Cos it's weird to me that he just sorta...vanishes midway through the storyline after being SO WORRIED about leaving Kim while she's going through these episodes, but...leaves anyway? I guess Philip works better in the context of the story, as he wouldn't be AS alarmed by Kim's hypersexuality as Shane would have been, but it still felt like a lot of what Philip was doing would have had more impact with Shane there, and would've also deepened the storyline if Shane was comforting Kim and Philip saw, and vice versa.

    Ultimately, I liked the character of Philip, but after that initial story, I just don't think they knew what to do with him. Weren't they trying to tie him to Billie's shady past as a porn star at one point? Did it just get dropped or was that explained at all?

  12. 1 hour ago, Franko said:

    Well, I guess it's a little better than having all five leave at once ...

    Vern: Last episode: Thursday, July 23, 1992

    Brian: Last episode: Monday, Aug. 17, 1992

    Ginger: Last episode: Monday, Aug. 17, 1992

    Tanner: Last episode: Wednesday, Sept. 23, 1992

    Molly: Last episode: Wednesday, Sept. 23, 1992

    (Assuming I read the Daytime Royalty summaries right.)

    Yeah that's about when I remember them leaving.

    The era was a mess largely because of the headwriter turnover. Gene Palumbo got things moving with the Tale Of Two Romans, but fumbled a lot of the volleys Anne Schoettle/Richard J. Allen had sent his way (Bo/Carly/Victor being a big one), but then there was all this back and forth between Richard J. Allen coming back and Gene Palumbo leaving, then Sheri Anderson coming on, and then Gene Palumbo coming back for a month or so as co-HW, then Sheri solo. I think a lot of stories just got so muddled with the writer back-and-forth, and that REALLY didn't help matters.

    Things sort of started to gel once Langan/Anderson arrived, and slowly started trimming the fat. Kim's DID story tying into the Lombard drama (which I get the sense that originally, had Staci Greason stayed, Marlena would have been in a triangle with Roger and Roman, with Roger potentially moving with Marlena to New York in the spin-off, had it gone ahead), tying into Marlena/Roman, tying into Lisanne and the Alamains, tying into John attempting to navigate his new reality. It all kinda started to gel, with only Jack/Jenn and the nonsense with the scammers and Molly/Tanner being outliers that were being tied up and shipped off, but even then, Sheri Anderson tried to connect Molly to Phillip Collier and his TV productions, so everything seemed to connect nicely again, even if some of it was kinda derivative of what other shows had been doing at the time.

  13. 15 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

    @beebs @AbcNbc247Molly was introduced. When she found an injured Eve. Eve had fallen from a helicopter. When Shane and Kayla were rescuing. Jack, Jenn, Melissa,  Brian and Fluffy. Who were lost in the wilderness. Thanks to Johnny Corelli. Who had someone unhinged one of the train carts. As the gang searched for the gun that killed Nick Corelli. It's weird i can remember this so well. But stories from the last couple of yrs not so well. Molly was part of the god awful Howard Hawkins story. beebs your knowledge of Days is fierce.

    Thanks @victoria foxton :) I wish I knew this much about something that could make me some MONEY, too! Haha!

    I am REALLY hoping Fluffy was a dog. I think I remember that being the case, but this is DAYS, and grown women are named Calliope, so...I just want to be sure.

  14. 1 hour ago, AbcNbc247 said:

    What was their storyline?

    I like to think that I’m good with my Days knowledge, but I can’t tell you one thing about that crew lol 

    Brian and Tanner were Vern Schofield's kids. Brian was a cop, and Tanner brooded because his mom died by suicide. I think Tanner worked at Wings or something? Can't remember how Molly got found but I remember something about her skinny dipping in a pond in the middle of nowhere and not understanding why Tanner would be uncomfortable with this, then she came back to Salem and was Julie's ward. Everyone in town loved her and she was only ever good and sweet and virtuous and was absolutely insufferable to watch. Tanner fell for her.

    I think Brian fell for Ginger, who was a ditzy waitress at Alice's Restaurant, and was the only person in Salem who didn't get along with St. Molly. So of course, Ginger turned out to be Molly's mother.

    The one story I remember of theirs was Molly enrolling at Salem U to become a nurse, and one of her profs was played by Daniel Pilon, who tried to rape her, and then of course was a threatening d-bag for weeks afterwards, trying to keep Molly from blabbing. Turned out, Pervy Professor Pilon pulled the same shtick with Mrs. Schofield years before, and Tanner found some diary that proved it, and that was why she killed herself. Pervy Professor Pilon pulls some more pscyho s#!t, and is caught, I forget how, Molly and Tanner leave town together, Vern and Tanner make up, Ginger convinces Molly to forgive her too, and Ginger and Brian leave town in Ginger's RV or something that she parked on the pier for some unknown reason.

    I'm sure I'm leaving out a bunch of stuff, but ultimately, I don't actually care LOL.

     

    2 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

    The Scofield invasion of Salem from like 1990-1992 lol. Vern was the father and dated Jo Johnson and he had three kids, Brian, Tanner and Cassie. 

    Brian was a Salem PD detective. He and Melissa dated a little bit.  Jack tried to arrange for Brian to be Jennifer's wife following his death (when Jack believed he was dying). He later dated the stripper/dancer Ginger who was Molly's mother, then resigned from the police force and opened a dog-obedience school. It wasn't a success, however, so when Ginger was offered a job to write for a newspaper in Chicago, she and Brian left Salem.

    Tanner and Molly-- this was the pairing that Days tried to turn in the next big supercouple but they tanked the show with a 4.7 rating instead. Tanner had a job as a bartender at Wings. Molly was taken under Julie's ward when she first came to town and Julie gave her a job and Molly lived with Julie as well. Molly was drawn to Tanner, and he helped her to solve the mystery of Molly's dead mother, who was really the Cheatin' Heart waitress Ginger much Molly's horror. Molly was also the half sister of the notorious Hawk Hawkins, the guy who swindled/conned Jennifer big time as well. Hawk's dad was also Molly's dad.  Molly started attending classes at Salem U but they was sexually harassed and raped by one of her college professors. Brian and Tanner worked together to take down the professor who as it turned out was also the man who murdered their mother.  Tanner and Molly then started singing careers and they left Salem for LA when Philip Collier told the pair they had a future in showbiz.

    I don't think Cassie ever did much except appear as troublesome teen. There was once a that Spencer Olson was going to be introduced as her new love interest but Spencer of course never materialized after Julie's mentions of him. 

    AH you remembered more than I did! Haha. Yeah that's about it. On paper, none of this was that bad, but the day-to-day was just so frustrating. Add to that the fact it made Jack look like an absolute putz, and Molly was quite possibly the biggest Pollyanna on the face of the planet, and...well..yeah. Hardly must-see viewing.

  15. 13 minutes ago, will81 said:

    Yeah that was around 1975??? I think. He couldn't make it with Trish and thought he might be gay, but indeed Linda did "cure" him. 

    It went down in August 1976. There were a couple episodes from that month on YouTube awhile ago that featured the scenes where Mike went to Linda's and discussed his inability to 'get it up' for Trish, heavily implying he was gay with that eyeroll-worthy euphemism "less than a man" being bandied about, before Linda took him to bed to prove to him otherwise. He then became like a lost puppy dog, following Linda around for the next 6-8 months, while Linda desperately tried to shake him off. 

    Mike was a 'sensitive' type, and deeply harmed by finding out his dad was actually his Uncle Bill, and not Mickey, who raised him. So he took his anger out on his mother Laura, mostly, and I think he was also reticent to sleep with Trish because he was aware of what a slimeball her stepfather was and how he perved on Trish growing up, so he sort of wanted to "protect" her, and the thought of having sex with Trish felt like taking advantage of her, to some degree. At least, that's what I've gleaned from what I've read/seen.

  16. 5 hours ago, kalbir said:

    You missed Generations in the NBC list. 

    One could also say that ABC did not have much success expanding their lineup beyond their big three General Hospital, All My Children, One Life to Live.

    I'd argue that RH was a successful addition, up until ABC bought the show and proceeded to drive it headfirst into a wall. It was, early on, ABC's second-highest-rated soap, before GH took off in the Monty years, and maintained strong, steady numbers through 1982, when the wheels started to come off.

    NBC's problem, to me, was always that of identity. Their success came from harnessing three brilliant soap writers just as their star was rising, and giving them the room to tell more daring, contemporary stories than what CBS would allow. They proceeded to let each writer slip through their fingers (Bell back to CBS, Nixon to ABC, Lakin to the print world, primarily), and let executive bean counting lead the daypart's decision-making (the move to 1hr, Bolen's baby HTSAM, the 90 minute disaster, aping Dallas in creating Texas), instead of doubling down on what made their three big soaps pop to begin with. 

    I think they figured Lemay was going to be "their Nixon or Bell", and when L&F/FRFP flopped, they panicked. Thus the 90 minute experiment, Texas, David Letterman in the morning, the massive cast cull at DAYS, picking up SFT from CBS and tanking The Doctors. They only really settled into a new, consistent identity again when DAYS took off during the Supercouple era, but they couldn't even make that fly at AW consistently. And once again, they shifted in the 90s to becoming the Reilly network, complete with all the goofiness that entailed.

    All the meantime, ABC and CBS soldiered on, maintaining consistent identities for their shows, and, until the 90s, maintaining and nurturing that identity.

    It just always felt to me that NBC was never going to find that identity that was going to work for them across the board because they were too disorganized and desperate to stick with what worked in the first place: soaps for adults older than ABC's audience, but less conservative than CBS's audience. Once they went chasing ABC's audience (and younger), they messed up.

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