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  1. 12 minutes ago, kalbir said:

    @beebs Bo/Hope wedding was May. John Aniston (RIP) debuted in July. Did Stephen Nichols debut in that same time frame? The next big Days action/adventure storyline that I think will impact the ratings is the Miami Vice homage in November.

    Stephen Nichols appears to have debuted in June. I will say, upon second look, they were coasting in and around 7.0 most of the summer up until August, when the wind seems to go out of their sails. The Pawn also begins in November, which I suspect will start to tick the ratings back up into the new year.

  2. We're definitely now hitting SFT's death spiral. DAYS' slight faltering after Bo & Hope's wedding having knock-on effects across the NBC lineup (minus SB who are already thriving). ATWT really struggling, which isn't helping Capitol or GL's numbers. Though the combination of Pam Long's stories starting to sour on the audience, plus SB's growth and PFS' return to GH helping to stabilize them can't help GL.

  3. SB really picking steam quickly. AW nearly beating ATWT at this point. Obviously the momentum won't last, but it's shocking to see.

    For Y&R, I believe the first week of June is when Kay finally shows John Abbott the slides exposing Jill's affair, promptly causing him to go home screaming after Jill (who was busy eye-f***ing Brad by the pool), and then having a stroke in the bedroom. So unsurprised the numbers jumped there.

    Nice to see DAYS' bump for Bo & Hope's wedding, though I am surprised they didn't get more of a bump, considering how much that story lifted the show's ratings in the previous year! Maybe the bad press from not inviting most of Hope's family didn't help matters.

  4. 12/31/84-1/4/85 - SFT's highest rating yet at NBC. LOV ties their series high.

    Unfortunately, the RH/LOV timeslot move is clearly a big bust, even at this point. Though LOV is moving upwards slightly, it's hardly improved on the previous year's numbers, and RH has tanked. I forget what was in LOV's old 11:30 timeslot at this point, and how were they doing.

  5. 1 minute ago, kalbir said:

    @beebs Also Y&R blew up during 1983 and by 1984 was cemented in the top 3.

    It's interesting to see the growth, though weird that it doesn't reflect as strongly in the overall numbers for the year. Y&R's growth has been slow and steady from 81-82 where they were 5th with 7.4, to 83-84 where they're now solidly 3rd with 8.6, and by season's end, they're consistently topping AMC for #2! I Have to hand it to Bell for collecting everything together so expertly after such a steep slump not two years prior.

    GL's upward movement is also impressive, though it's hardly ticked upward vs. GH since January '84, which does surprise me considering the popularity of the first PKL era within the fandom. 

  6. 1983-84 really shook things up. The season + summer (vs. 1982-83) (yes, I know Fast Nationals aren't 100% accurate so take it with a grain of salt if you're so inclined):

    1. GH 9.9 (+0.1)
    2. AMC 8.8 (-0.4)
    3. Y&R 8.6 (+0.4)
    4. GL 7.9 (+0.5)
    5. OLTL 7.8 (-0.2)
    6. ATWT 7.7 (+0.2)
    7. DAYS 7.2 (+1.3)
    8. CAP 6.3 (+0.4)
    9. AW 5.6 (+0.5)
    10. RH 4.8 (-0.5)
    11. LOV 3.7 (-0.1)
    12. SFT 3.3 (+0.4)
    13. SB 3.3 --
    14. EON 3.2 (-0.5)

    Obviously DAYS is the big winner this year, Bo and Hope really helped lift the show, and in some ways the rest of NBC Daytime, out of the gutter, even SFT getting a significant lift this year.

    Luke & Laura's return helped GH for awhile, but their departure, and DA's, tanked the show the rest of the year, so they stayed pretty much flat vs. 82-83. This seems to have had a knock-on effect to the rest of ABCD, with the rest of the lineup posting year-on-year losses. Will be interesting to see how Rauch/O'Shea lift OLTL up in the coming year, as well as the effect the timeslot swap has on RH vs. LOV.

    I'm assuming October 8 is when RH & LOV moved?

  7. The only real good one I have was making friends by way of karaoke with Constance Ford's niece, who works as a TV sitcom writer here in Toronto. We spoke about how she was sick in hospital as a child and her aunt brought her flowers from the studio from Steve and Alice's wedding. At one point, she even got me on a three-way call with Meredith Scott Lynn, who was a good friend of hers. We lost touch many years ago, but I always really appreciated those little things she did for me.

    I also knew a bunch of people who'd been to high school with Brittany Allen, and every time I mentioned being interested in soaps, her name would always inevitably come up at every social function, with her former classmates waxing poetic about how unbelievably talented and kind and virtuous and wonderful she was, and it would take everything in my power to hold my tongue about how the soap fandom actually felt about her. 😬

  8. 17 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

    Story from the week Y&R went #1. Solid but nothing looks like a barn burner.

     

    MONDAY MAY 28, 1984 - FRIDAY JUNE 01, 1984


    The Young and the Restless: Ashley told a heartbroken Eric that she can't marry him, and that she's attracted to Marc. Nikki conned Victor into admitting that his real name is Christian Miller. Paul and Andy learned that Victor's parents, Albert and Cora, had once tried to get a then teenaged Victor out of the orphanage, only to learn that he had run away. Frank warned Amy that Jazz will never be rid of his mob contacts. Jazz worried that Tyrone, who is Genoa City's new county prosecutor, wants to live with Jazz. Jill lost her baby; then denied John's accusation that she purposely fell off the ladder in hopes that she'd abort their son. Jack warned Ashley that Marc can destroy the Abbott family if he reveals that Dina's still legally John's wife. Dina and Marc mended old fences. Tim nixed John's job offer because he feared it might harm his relationship with Traci.

    Of course, there used to be a higher quality version of this up, but I always was fascinated by this beat of the story. Jill not only wanting to keep the paternity of the baby a secret (since there's a good chance it's Jack's), but she finds out the baby stands a very great chance of being born disabled. John wants the baby regardless, but Jill, knowing she'd be the primary caregiver, and not having been especially maternal with Philip, is horrified by the prospect of her life being spent caring for a disabled child, and...
     

    Add the fact they never definitively revealed to all that Jill's fall was intentional. I really miss the layers to the storytelling you got, especially with Y&R.

  9. 6 minutes ago, soapfave06 said:

    It’s a shame AW wasted Jackie Courtney’s return, she could have done for that show was DA had the potential to do for DAYS, at least if it was written well. 

    Considering Gary Tomlin was headwriting the show at the time, and he admitted to (I THINK) being ignorant of Alice's history on the show (someone correct me if I'm wrong about that), her return was doomed from the get-go. 

  10. 3 minutes ago, soapfave06 said:

    DAYS has totally rebounded, but I think they had opportunity still in keeping Doug and Julie, and imagine if they could have got DA back as Susan fresh off her GH gig. 

    Imagine getting Susan back to town with a teenage Anne as a spoiler for Bo & Hope? I could see it working just as well as Megan, but a bit deeper considering the generational history there.

  11. So, for the 1982-83 season including summer, we've got (vs. previous season):

    1. GH 9.8 (-0.8)
    2. AMC 9.2 (-0.1)
    3. Y&R 8.2 (+0.8)
    4. OLTL 8.0 (-0.8)
    5. ATWT 7.5 (+0.4)
    6. GL 7.4 (-0.2)
    7. CAP 5.9 (+0.5)
    7. DAYS 5.9 (+0.2)
    9. RH 5.3 (-1.4)
    10. AW 5.1 (+0.6)
    11. LOV 3.8  
    12. EON 3.7 (-1.0)
    13. SFT 2.9 (-0.1)
    14. TX 2.7 (-0.5)
    15. DOC 1.6

    (-1.2)

     

    RH clearly the biggest crash that year. Something about Labine/Mayer's return was not connecting with the audience, combined with Y&R's return to form really hurting them. I'm not entirely surprised ABC was willing to push it out the way in favour of Loving at this point. Nice to see AW making such strides, moreso than even DAYS!

  12. 10 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

    FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 8/8/83-8/12/83 & 8/15/83-8/19/83:

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    FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS (FAST NATIONALS): WEEK OF 8/22/83-8/26/83:

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    Though it's a fast national, 8/22-8/26 is the first time since Spring 1980 that DAYS has been above a 7.0. Also nice to see SFT hitting a 4.0, their highest rating of their NBC run (so far?)

  13. 6 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

    I believe Peggy O’Shea was head writer that summer.

    That would do it! I wouldn't wish O'Shea not to head to OLTL the next year, as her work there was exactly what rejuvenated that show in 85-87, but clearly her work on Capitol was resonating with viewers in a way that those who followed didn't. I expect the frequent turnover in the writers' room did that show NO favours.

  14. 4 minutes ago, GLATWT88 said:

    Capitol is also showing some growth. 

    Quite a bit, most weeks a full point of more above where they'd been the summer before. Interesting to think what would've happened if they sustained that growth. I'm struggling to find a list of their headwriters anywhere. Is it listed in the Capitol thread anywhere, does anyone know? Just curious to know who was helming the show during this period.

  15. SFT getting a slight boost from the 8/4 Live show, but it seems like the show was getting a nice summer boost as it was. RH was getting hit from both sides that summer, between Y&R's resurgence and SFT starting to build its audience back (which, of course, they couldn't sustain), no doubt helped by NBC's recovery in the ratings after an awful few years.

  16. 16 minutes ago, Broderick said:

    I had done the same thing for Calendar Year 1980  (1/4/1980 - 12/26/1980 - 52 week period), but I was too lazy to do the shares.  

    1.   GH -- 10.4 -- 46 weeks at #1

    2.  AMC -- 9.4 -- 6 weeks at #1

    3.  OLTL -- 9.0 -- 0 weeks at #1

    4.  GL -- 8.1 -- 0 weeks at #1

    5.  Y&R -- 8.0 -- 0 weeks at #1

    6.  ATWT -- 7.8 -- 0 weeks at #1

    I've been doing season averages + summer weeks, starting from the official start of season dates, largely to see if there's any differences from the "official" numbers, and it's been an interesting journey:

    1978-79

    1. Y&R 9.0
    2. AMC 8.9
    3. GH 8.8
    4. OLTL 8.1
    5. GL 8.0
    6. ATWT 7.9
    6. SFT 7.9
    8. AW 7.0
    9. RH 6.8
    10. DAYS 6.7
    11. DOC 6.1
    12. EON 5.6
    13. LOL 4.8

    1979-80

    1. GH 10.1
    2. AMC 9.3
    3. OLTL 8.9
    4. Y&R 8.5
    5. GL 8.0
    6. ATWT 7.7
    7. SFT 7.0
    8. RH 6.8
    9. AW 6.4
    10. DAYS 6.2
    11. DOC 5.5
    12. EON 5.1
    13. TX 4.6
    14. LOL 3.5

    1980-81

    1. GH 11.4
    2. AMC 9.1
    2. OLTL 9.1
    4. GL 7.8
    5. Y&R 7.6
    6. ATWT 7.5
    7. RH 6.8
    8. SFT 6.2
    9. DAYS 5.6
    10. EON 5.0
    11. AW 5.0
    12. TX 4.4
    13. DOC 3.7

    1981-82

    1. GH 10.6
    2. AMC 9.3
    3. OLTL 8.8
    4. GL 7.6
    5. Y&R 7.4
    6. ATWT 7.1
    7. SFT (CBS) 6.8
    8. RH 6.7
    9. DAYS 5.7
    10. CAP 5.4
    11. EON 4.7
    12. AW 4.5
    13. TX 3.2
    14. SFT (NBC) 3.0
    15. DOC 2.8

    * - if SFT's NBC and CBS runs are combined, season averages to 4.9

    It's interesting to me that DAYS didn't drop THAT drastically, in numerical terms, between 1978 and 1981, but the competition so deteriorated around them, that their small gains in 1982 cause them to place regularly at #7 by mid-83.

    3 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

    Remember if you do those, Nielsen only counts the 48 weeks. The 4 "fast national" weeks don't count, and are only preliminary data, not the final #s, which may change a little. 

    oh interesting. Surely not too drastically though. I'd imagine it wouldn't severely impact yearly averages.

  17. Some notes:

    EON's steep slide in the ratings over the past few months, it isn't entirely surprising that Slesar was fired in May '83. Considering they'd gone from being competitive with AW and DAYS to nearly being beaten by SFT in a matter of a few months, ABC and P&G had to have been concerned. Despite Slesar's brilliant writing, I'm sure someone in the executive suites had to know something had to change, fast.

    We are now about four months into the Labines returning to RH, and....yikes. Something wasn't clicking with viewers, and station clearances have dropped. I know it hasn't been unusual to see AW neck and neck with RH in the past, but they're in a danger zone now, especially up against a resurgent Y&R. it'll be interesting to see how much more damage occurs once PFS takes over as headwriter in the fall/RH moves to noon.

     

  18. 2 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

    I wonder why there was such a big jump in numbers week of 21st May?

    GL - 7.9 to 8.7

    GH - 7.4 to 8.4

    Days -6.0 to 7.1

    etc

    At GL:
    Rita railed at Roger’s lies in court.  After summations were delivered, Roger was confident he would be acquitted, but Rita resolved to tell the truth about her rape.  Lucille rubbed it in to Amanda that she overheard Diane returning Ben’s wallet after they had spent a night together.  Ross showed an interest in Jackie.  Lainie was told that there’s no guarantee she’ll ever walk again.  Alan assigned Hope to decorate a villa he wants to give to Jackie.  Katie called from the “fat farm” and learned Hillary and Floyd are on the outs.  Ben wanted to quit his job, but Dianne assured him there would be no pressure on her part.

    At GH:

    Alan decided to reconcile with Monica just as she and Rick finally spend a night together after she saved Rick from further depression.  Laura was hospitalized after a car crash.  She had found Bobbie with Scotty, but was unaware that Bobbie had slipped him a mickey.  Lesley flew into Rick’s arms over Laura’s condition, but he and Monica remembered their vow to get together soon.  Bryan realized that Claudia had encouraged Laura to play cool while she and Scotty were split.  Luke laid into Bobbie about Scotty and warned that she shouldn’t toy with Roy, who is really stuck on her.  Gary was miffed that Gina wouldn’t go to New York on a book publicity trip because of her research.

    and at DAYS:
    Amanda was thrown for a curve when Greg arrived. He returned to Chicago after a night of marital “performance failure” and suspected that another guy is in the picture. Laura’s madness, which has Julie contemplating suicide, spread to Jennifer, whom Laura filled with nightmarish tales. Marie and Jordan met. Julie insisted she won’t give her blessing to a reconciliation between Trish and David. Mike borrowed money from practically everyone. Chris felt guilty about Greg and tried to cool it with Amanda. Marlena fretted when Donna came up with another expensive gift, this time for Samantha, who won a drama award. Don advised Phyllis that Neil can’t interfere in her stock-selling plans.

  19. 28 minutes ago, Vee said:

    I was referring to her first '80s exit, but I knew only some of that and not some of the other stuff. It is great to read.

    I'll have to read up in that thread on what she got up to. I wonder if she did the flood.

    AFAIK the flood was Tomlin, but I can double check episodes from the period to be sure.

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